============================================================== Guild: APEX Chat Channel: Global Group Chats / official-apex-help-channel ============================================================== [25-Sep-21 04:42 PM] kovus#0000 .playchat help [25-Sep-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 Registered Official APEX Help Channel to play back in this channel [25-Sep-21 06:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***FirstTheWeather** joined.* [25-Sep-21 06:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FirstTheWeather**: Quick question: I bought the "comet" package, and its supposed to come with a Pro license but I don't appear to be playing with one. Any advice? [25-Sep-21 06:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: How long ago? Sometimes it takes a few hours to register, I think [25-Sep-21 06:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FirstTheWeather**: Not that long. Just making sure! Thanks o7 [25-Sep-21 06:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i got mine almost instantly [25-Sep-21 06:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but it might take a while depending on payment method or other factors [25-Sep-21 06:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I did too, but I've heard others saying it took time. Make sure to refresh APEX, as well [25-Sep-21 06:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: There was also a bug where the internal message queue got stuck and Pro wasn't taking effect for folks until they rebooted the server. The devs said they hoped the latest patch would fix that, but if this persists for a while, probably worth pinging them on the forums. [25-Sep-21 10:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FirstTheWeather**: Posted a message. Over here making beans and water while watching football. This is exactly the kind of game I want. [26-Sep-21 12:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Is it possible to just pick a sector to fly to or do you have to select a specific planet? Also, can you move cargo between ships while in space if they are at the same location? [26-Sep-21 12:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Have to pick a planet, but you can choose to uncheck "surface landing" to avoid paying the costs of landing and taking off again. [26-Sep-21 12:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: My understanding is though, unfortunately, to transfer between two ship cargos, they need to both be landed, not in orbit. [26-Sep-21 12:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: However, if you're just transferring from your cargo hold to your own fuel tanks, that works without landing. So you can choose a planet as a waypoint on a long journey and refuel from cargo there without landing. [26-Sep-21 12:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: ok. can they land on any planet or does it have to have a base? [26-Sep-21 12:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: any planet [26-Sep-21 12:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: since that's what you'd do to build the first base on it anyways [26-Sep-21 12:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: oh, you're asking if you can transfer between your two ships without a base there. I've never tried, but I believe so [26-Sep-21 12:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Thanks. just looking for the best way to move stuff between bases without having to fly all the way there (each base has a common sector on their flight path to the CX [26-Sep-21 01:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you do have to pick a planet to land on to transfer cargo, I believe the fuel cost and damage to ships varies based on planetary factors (high-G, gas giant, etc?). Worth using flight planner to find the cheapest option [26-Sep-21 01:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Ok. Thanks for the info. [26-Sep-21 01:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Hawkwood**: I bought some material but I didn't hace yet a warehouse or a ship landed there. Are these materials lost? I can't find them [26-Sep-21 01:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: they exist in a contract awaiting pickup [26-Sep-21 01:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Hawkwood**: great! thank you very much! [26-Sep-21 04:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ordynateur** joined.* [26-Sep-21 04:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Infinitium** joined.* [26-Sep-21 04:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***KreaeTerra** joined.* [26-Sep-21 04:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Have anyone done the math on whether it is worth it to expand your own warehouse contra just renting one on the planet? [26-Sep-21 04:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Maintence wise [26-Sep-21 05:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: what happens when your base is full and a production finishes ? [26-Sep-21 07:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: It stays stuck at 100% as says "out of storage" or something similar [26-Sep-21 07:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Then when you make more storage room it immediately deposits that stuff into it [26-Sep-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***g111ugu12** joined.* [26-Sep-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***g111ugu12** left.* [26-Sep-21 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Frietketel** joined.* [26-Sep-21 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***AgentB240** joined.* [26-Sep-21 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***SecretIdetity** joined.* [26-Sep-21 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***OverloardYoki** joined.* [26-Sep-21 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OverloardYoki**: Why can't I use the production button in "view base" [26-Sep-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Overloard: Explain. [26-Sep-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Do you have base buildings? [26-Sep-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OverloardYoki**: Yes [26-Sep-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OverloardYoki**: When I hover my mouse on the production button there is like a stop sign [26-Sep-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Click on "Buildings" What buildings do you have? [26-Sep-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OverloardYoki**: I have three buildings : Core module and 2 Pioneer habitations [26-Sep-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: You need a building which produces something. [26-Sep-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: You have none atm. [26-Sep-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Click "HELP" upper-right and follow the building instructions for your starter package. [26-Sep-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: or read the handbook: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/ Prosperous Universe handbook :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [26-Sep-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OverloardYoki**: Ok, thanks [26-Sep-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***display_n4m3** joined.* [26-Sep-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***display_n4m3** left.* [26-Sep-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***display_n4m3** joined.* [26-Sep-21 03:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***display_n4m3** left.* [26-Sep-21 03:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lauryan** joined.* [26-Sep-21 05:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***notuff** joined.* [26-Sep-21 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Munin** joined.* [26-Sep-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***growlithe2013** joined.* [26-Sep-21 08:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***shwippity** joined.* [26-Sep-21 09:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rocketmann** joined.* [26-Sep-21 10:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Does it make a difference which plot you select when you set up a new base? [26-Sep-21 10:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: nope [27-Sep-21 01:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CplKobold**: I see local rules have changed... Is there a way to see which rules have changed? [27-Sep-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Open planet info and selec one of the under titles for that planet 'local laws' [27-Sep-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Tho' it won't tell you what the laws were before [27-Sep-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: You also write LR 'x' where x is the planet code [27-Sep-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Local Rules, not Local Laws, sorry [27-Sep-21 01:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: how fill your ships inv with the items bought from station? [27-Sep-21 01:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SliceOfArdath**: if your ship is at the station there should be a contract in your contract list awaiting for you to transfer items [27-Sep-21 01:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: hm dont see anything in contracts scrren [27-Sep-21 01:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: is there a way to see invetory of items bought of a station? [27-Sep-21 02:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SliceOfArdath**: try CXOS ? [27-Sep-21 02:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: jup found it, thanks [27-Sep-21 03:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Moogus** joined.* [27-Sep-21 04:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Palpatine**: what was our starting worth? what's the best way to see if you're actually making money? [27-Sep-21 04:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **alxnns**: you start with 40,000 in whatever currency the controlling faction of your starting planet uses [27-Sep-21 04:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you actually start with 35k-45k depending on your starting profession, the fin/finis/finbs screens will provide you with most needed financial info [27-Sep-21 04:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **alxnns**: šŸ‘† [27-Sep-21 07:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: you also start with ALOT of fuel, its possible to sell some of that [27-Sep-21 07:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: i wouldnt sell your fuel if you dont have a pro license [27-Sep-21 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: i did and it was one of the best moves i did [27-Sep-21 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: I did (not all of it), but of the 6600 units of fuel you start with, selling off 75% made the difference between affording the next building which accelerated my earnings from day one [27-Sep-21 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: i sold all of my ftl, half stl one one ship and all on the other plus all fuel from the base inv [27-Sep-21 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: I forgot about base inv Fuel, make that >7000 units, sold in the right place, that can be as much as an extra 60-70k [27-Sep-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CplKobold**: So can I fly my ship back to my base while I still have unfilled cx orders? [27-Sep-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: yes [27-Sep-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: it will show up on the right under "pending contracts" once it is filled [27-Sep-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: once you get back to the cx with a ship you can click on "view" and put the goods into your ship [27-Sep-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: @plckobold remember that you will need to rent a warehouse for inv space if you dont have a ship at the cx if you cancel a sell order or make a buy orderorder [27-Sep-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CplKobold**: ah I'm waiting on buys, thx! [27-Sep-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***GamingForb** joined.* [27-Sep-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **GamingForb**: Heya [27-Sep-21 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lolappa** joined.* [27-Sep-21 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***cytec123187** joined.* [27-Sep-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: how long can a trade request sit for on an exchange? [27-Sep-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: until someone meets your price [27-Sep-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: if you make a sell order for x money, you will need someone to make a buy order for x money [27-Sep-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: it'll never expire? [27-Sep-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: no [27-Sep-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but you can cancel it manually [27-Sep-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: was worried something would go wrong if I left and the stuff never sold [27-Sep-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: the only thing that would happen is you never getting your money, but it can sit there indefinitely [27-Sep-21 11:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***madleb** joined.* [27-Sep-21 12:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***freeze27** joined.* [27-Sep-21 12:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***notuff** deleted this message.* [27-Sep-21 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: started on OT-580c as carbon farmer, looks like it was a bad choice cuz ferility somewhat low. or am i reading that ferility meter wrong? its more to the right side [27-Sep-21 12:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#is-x-fertility-good {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [27-Sep-21 12:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Water is the important factor. [27-Sep-21 12:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: Looks like planet has almost no water. Thats a rip [27-Sep-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Jester558** joined.* [27-Sep-21 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Jester558** left.* [27-Sep-21 04:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Vayloren** joined.* [27-Sep-21 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Xenogen** joined.* [27-Sep-21 07:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Chooby** joined.* [27-Sep-21 07:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheSmithAries** joined.* [27-Sep-21 11:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Limbo_Lava** joined.* [28-Sep-21 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***YuzuruOtonashi** joined.* [28-Sep-21 07:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dogeaz** joined.* [28-Sep-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **KreaeTerra**: how do i cancel an order that i made in an exchange? [28-Sep-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if it is not filled yet, CXOS [28-Sep-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **KreaeTerra**: ok yeah figured it out thanks [28-Sep-21 09:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ManlyMangoMan**: I'm ready to construcy my third building as a constructor - what should I build? I'm currently debating between a PP1 and SME [28-Sep-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nurudin**: Reading about market access, it says Trial accounts are unable to access the planetary exchange, and have to go to the larger public hub, but is there any way of trading with people on the same planet without using an exchange? Goods for goods. [28-Sep-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Nurudin: With trial accounts, no there is not a way. The reason is two-fold: 1) If you could, people would spam Trial accounts to "trade" away their goods for much lower than market costs. 2) There needs to be SOME things behind payment gates so the devs get paid. [28-Sep-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nurudin**: All I needed was the no [28-Sep-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Nurudin: Sorry, that wasn't meant to be insulting or anything. I've just answered this question a bunch and there's pretty much always the follow-up question of "why" so I type that out. [28-Sep-21 09:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lolappa** left.* [28-Sep-21 10:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: @Saganaki stop overhelping people ;-) [28-Sep-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: :-( [28-Sep-21 12:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***navid_sh** joined.* [28-Sep-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***elkeal** joined.* [28-Sep-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dethode** joined.* [28-Sep-21 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nodka**: is there a way to un-select contracts? [28-Sep-21 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nodka**: I seem to have misread a shipping contract [28-Sep-21 06:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **alxnns**: if you've accepted an ad you can't fill, I suggest messaging the other person and both not fulfilling any part of the contract [28-Sep-21 06:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **alxnns**: if neither of you fulfill the contract and let it run out of time then no one loses rating [28-Sep-21 09:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lucence** left.* [28-Sep-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Can a basic account have a HQ beyond level 5 or more than 7 bases? If I have a Pro account beyond those levels and it drops to a basic account do I lose anything? [28-Sep-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Ogrebeef: I don't think anyone has figured that one out, tbh. I would assume you can expand while you have PRO and then can't add any slots while in Basic. [28-Sep-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: That would be my assumption. Though it doesn't tell what would happen if for example I had a level 10HQ and 6 bases. Do I get to use the additional base expansions from the level 10 HQ? [28-Sep-21 10:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if i had to guess (and i do), i'd say you lose nothing upon dropping to basic, it wouldn't make sense to auto-dismantle or disable parts of your company due to status change. you just wouldn't be able to expand further. [28-Sep-21 10:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: again, i'd guess you'd keep the permits [28-Sep-21 10:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: _but_ -- you could always drop the q in the official discord #early-access and ping @molp to see if they can give you a direct answer [28-Sep-21 10:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: ok. Thanks. [28-Sep-21 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Somnabulist** joined.* [28-Sep-21 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Somnabulist**: help me [28-Sep-21 10:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Somnabulist**: how to activate the hint again [28-Sep-21 10:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: NEW BFR on bottom left [28-Sep-21 10:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: type in HELP [28-Sep-21 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: lol [28-Sep-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Somnabulist**: thanks [28-Sep-21 11:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Somnabulist**: how do continue [28-Sep-21 11:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Somnabulist**: construct building [28-Sep-21 11:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Somnabulist**: i dont understand it [28-Sep-21 11:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: did you move everything from your ships into your base? [28-Sep-21 11:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can't build with materials that are still in your ships [29-Sep-21 01:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***bonpanache** joined.* [29-Sep-21 01:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***mipe123345** joined.* [29-Sep-21 02:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***GitsKermis** joined.* [29-Sep-21 02:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Moulders** joined.* [29-Sep-21 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***MindLeaker** joined.* [29-Sep-21 09:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Evolopop** joined.* [29-Sep-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***hijam09** joined.* [29-Sep-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Draco18s** joined.* [29-Sep-21 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I've finally realized that my company is slowly operating at a loss, due to how frequently I need to make a trip to the exchange. It's in the same system, so no FTL fuel needed. Even so, the cost of the SF is resulting in a constant operating loss. So I started running the numbers and I'm not sure a new company is *capable* of turning a profit on any planet producing anything. My math has to be wrong somewhere. [29-Sep-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: how often were you flying, and how much fuel were you using? [29-Sep-21 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you should only fly like once a week if you're only transporting your own stuff imo (depending on how much your stuff fill the ship cargo) [29-Sep-21 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: before i got pro i was flying to the cx every 6-7 days and only fly when i calculated enough to build another building plus 2000NCC extra [29-Sep-21 01:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I'm totally cool with having Made Mistakes such that I am incapable of buying enough food/water/materials to actually run production for more than 2-3 days. But I would need....to make a single round trip every TWO WEEKS to actually have net profit [29-Sep-21 01:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: not even a lot of profit, just non-zero [29-Sep-21 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: what industry were/are you in? [29-Sep-21 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: construction [29-Sep-21 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: how much sf do you use one way from planet to cx? [29-Sep-21 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Using the LM can help there... I started on Verdant and had the same problem [29-Sep-21 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Putting up shipping contracts was the only way to ship without making a loss [29-Sep-21 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: he isnt pro [29-Sep-21 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Ah [29-Sep-21 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I have been using ~100 but minimum is 59 and that takes the break-even point to 1 round trip every nine days [29-Sep-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: so, you have a PP1 and a BMP, and need to buy all your inputs, is that right? [29-Sep-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (note that the calculated net profit on that 1 trip every 9 days is about $322) [29-Sep-21 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I have a PP1, a BMP, and an EXT (for silicon ore; cheaper than buying) [29-Sep-21 01:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: making MCG has a better profit margin than anything the PP1 can make. [29-Sep-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Antares is not known for being high in iron supply. Rather, in aluminium - but that requires a PP2 to exploit and a lot more capital [29-Sep-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: that I have noticed [29-Sep-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: iron ore is a losing proposition, due to its low quantity [29-Sep-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: In theory, mining iron costs $14/hr after selling and paying upkeep [29-Sep-21 01:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: er, $4/hour. Had market data in that row from somewhere else [29-Sep-21 01:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what planet are you on? [29-Sep-21 01:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: Phobos [29-Sep-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I was looking at restarting, but I don't think I could make a profit here in any industry. While the soil fertility is ONLY -6%, the fact that water is scarce and expensive at the exchange, so raw agricultural products hover at the "barely breaking even" point (ranging from -$7 to +$6 per hour). You'd need 2 farms running to be able to fully stock a single food prep facility, making that a non-viable option as a restart (it's actually better to spend the FF traveling to/from Harmonia even though the soil quality is a mere 3% better) [29-Sep-21 01:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yea you're making barely any profit because you have to buy almost all your inputs [29-Sep-21 01:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: That's my point [29-Sep-21 01:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: looking at BSE, it appears you should be able to make about 800 profit per day, not including fuel costs [29-Sep-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: BTA's actually got a higher return [29-Sep-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: That's real low. I don't queue anything that my spreadsheet doesn't say is at least $1k/day/building [29-Sep-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: sure, I'm just eyeballing with conservative estimates [29-Sep-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: and once you include fuel costs, you can't make a profit [29-Sep-21 01:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: $800/day lets you buy 55 SF [29-Sep-21 01:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: You need 59 for a one way trip [29-Sep-21 01:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: So you travel once a week? [29-Sep-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: right, but I'm in a situation where I can't buy enough iron (literally CAN'T) to produce BSE for a week [29-Sep-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Sounds like Phobos is just bad, though [29-Sep-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: there's all of 16 iron available on the exchange at any price [29-Sep-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: ah, you used all your starter cash and now don't have enough spare to buy large enough reserves [29-Sep-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: bingo [29-Sep-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I see. That forces your hand to make frequent trips. [29-Sep-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: FE is expensive, yeah [29-Sep-21 02:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Savoian**: depends what you transport. If you transport cheap stuff that takes a lot of space (like ore) you will end up losing money [29-Sep-21 02:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: H is also a lot in AI [29-Sep-21 02:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: oh misread the table, 16 at the current lowest asking price [29-Sep-21 02:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (there was a day earlier in the week where there was literally zero iron available) [29-Sep-21 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: 4 days ago ^ [29-Sep-21 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Ok, so, it sounds like your original claim that nothing is profitable is only under the unfortunate circumstances you're in right now [29-Sep-21 02:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I mean, I guess restarting is an option if you feel you're completely stuck. You could also consider tearing down a building if it's not profitable and selling the parts to get enough capital to make the buildings you keep able to run for a week or more [29-Sep-21 02:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: Not exactly [29-Sep-21 02:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Sounds like the key point of the problem is the frequent trips. Gotta fix that first and all the other options will look more profitable, right? [29-Sep-21 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Iron is certainly available at Antares right now. The prices are pretty high but you should still be able to make a profit. [29-Sep-21 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you can hang on long enough, you'll get more experts and profit margins will rise [29-Sep-21 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: although more experts does mean you'll burn through your inputs faster, so you'd need a larger reserve... [29-Sep-21 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I was doing the math on food production (producing rations) and the best option is to be in Harmonia. Per day you produce 31.6 rations (av.) and consume 72.8 [29-Sep-21 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: THAT'S the premise of my original statement [29-Sep-21 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: why consume 72.8? It's 4 per 100 pioneers per day [29-Sep-21 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what if you make BDEs and sell some of your SIO? [29-Sep-21 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: oops, crossed some wires [29-Sep-21 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I subtracted th wrong thing [29-Sep-21 02:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: trying to go back and forth is leading to errors [29-Sep-21 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: the 72 was "price of rations upkeep." Redoing the cell nets $350ish net profit per day (traveling once a week) [29-Sep-21 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: IDK: I am selling excess SIO. [29-Sep-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: BTA has been the slightly-better-option for PP1. the BMP has been producing MCG [29-Sep-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (the limestone -> mcg has a higher profit margin than lst -> bse) [29-Sep-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (and PE is cheap) [29-Sep-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but what are you making with your bmp and pp1? [29-Sep-21 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: PE doesn't look cheap in AI1 [29-Sep-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: $260 for enough to make a BTA, that's less than the iron. [29-Sep-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: 2 limestone would be $150 [29-Sep-21 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: the prices for selling BSE and BTA have changed since yesterday, but BTA was selling for more than BSE [29-Sep-21 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: was like 851 for BSE and 1000 for BTA [29-Sep-21 02:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: 1000 for BSE is still only $2.5 in profit per hour at current prices [29-Sep-21 02:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: meanwhile, 4 limestone and 2 silicon costs $300+$70 and makes 50 MCG, which sells for $19/per [29-Sep-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: or about $98/hr [29-Sep-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (silicon ore cost is an approximation of how much it costs to run the extractor, not the market price) [29-Sep-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: oh wow... was wonderng why your profits are not decent... SF for you is very expensive [29-Sep-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: yeah, because it's nearly impossible to produce on this side of the galaxy [29-Sep-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I've checked [29-Sep-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: You need a minimum of 2 bases, one of which can't be in Antares [29-Sep-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: and I think the nearest the second one can be is like 3 jumps [29-Sep-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yea even rat is expensive whr ur at [29-Sep-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: it's actually cheap right now [29-Sep-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: when I started I was paying $100 to $110 for both RAT and DW [29-Sep-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yea i looked at the charts [29-Sep-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: fuel's going up again, was only $10-11 yesterday [29-Sep-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: but yeah, growing stuff (raw ag) is basically a losing proposition (the bid prices aren't high enough to cover upkeep) so there's very little raw ag to make into RAT [29-Sep-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: and water (I think?) is extracting at a rate of 8 a day, which is very slow. So water is expensive [29-Sep-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I'm not sure DW can turn a profit here, you need to many rigs [29-Sep-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what about buying the crops and making them into RAT? [29-Sep-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: in theory doable. [29-Sep-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i would go to AI1 to sell RATs but it cost about 6000 NCC in total for fuel and like 4-5ish days of flying [29-Sep-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **GitsKermis**: shipping contracts barely seems worth them when i calculate fuel, many player doing these? [29-Sep-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: also that ^ [29-Sep-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: whats the rates you accepting? [29-Sep-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (not that I can do shipping contracts, but I've looked at a few offers and gone "you're asking for a price at or below the exchange, in the same system as the exchange, and I have to pay the fuel" [29-Sep-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if within system i think 3-5/max depending on load and outside system wld be like 9-whatever/max for shipping [29-Sep-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **GitsKermis**: (ik i cant do them) but 400t wich would be (4k in credits and 3.5k in feul) would like only cover one part of the journey. but u need get back to lol [29-Sep-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **GitsKermis**: 4k in credits from contract' [29-Sep-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: how much are the loads [29-Sep-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **GitsKermis**: 200mĀ³/200t = 2k credits [29-Sep-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **GitsKermis**: gues, the good ones almost get accepted instantly [29-Sep-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: o for phobs to cx prob 2AIC/max is okay since its only ~9hr flight [29-Sep-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what planet you on [29-Sep-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: it depends on the distance [29-Sep-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **GitsKermis**: FK-794b [29-Sep-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: Offer selling 32 carbon for $13200. If I flew to the exchange and back on minimum fuel, I could get the same 32 carbon for a round trip cost of 13081. [29-Sep-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: so why would I go to the local market? [29-Sep-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: to cut short needing to fly [29-Sep-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: that is if you want it instantly for something [29-Sep-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: my point is, that if someone wants it, and someone else has it, a third party can transport it for... $120? [29-Sep-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you talking about asking another person to ship? that depends on the t/m3 of what you want shipped [29-Sep-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: in the case you mentioned 120 would be spent so that you wont have to wait like 2 days to get the carbon [29-Sep-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but if the difference is too much i wld just buy from the cx [29-Sep-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: because some people dont post reasonable prices [29-Sep-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: alright, so, there's an open shipping contract here too. Just if I wanted to be the guy ferrying stuff around. $20 to ship almost nothing from Phobos to Antares Station [29-Sep-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: if I'm reading that right [29-Sep-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: 19.80t / 22.00mĀ³ @ 20.00 AIC [29-Sep-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: there's a total of 3 shipping contracts, totals $40. It costs $800 to make that trip one way [29-Sep-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: so he is paying 0.9AIC/max for that shipping [29-Sep-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: wait you spend 100 SF one way? [29-Sep-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I also have no idea the fuel cost to move from one location on a planet to another. I assume it's less than the "get into or out of orbit" cost, doubled. [29-Sep-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: 59 is minimum fuel one way. $13.5 per unit to rebuy [29-Sep-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: 13.5 * 59 = $796.5 [29-Sep-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that, thankfully, is not represented in game. Transferring goods from one base to another on a planet requires no shipping [29-Sep-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: o ye sry my math fail [29-Sep-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***IDKanything** deleted this message.* [29-Sep-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***IDKanything** deleted this message.* [29-Sep-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***IDKanything** deleted this message.* [29-Sep-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: my brain dying [29-Sep-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: Zizz: so assuming I could use the local market, I could send my ship from my base to the local market to pick up goods for zero fuel? [29-Sep-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: your lm is on the planet ur at [29-Sep-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you buy something from the local market on your planet, or sell something on it, no shipping is involved [29-Sep-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: just wanted to confirm that that was the case, as I can't use said market to find out :p [29-Sep-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: And if you do need to send something to the CX, you can get other players to carry it for you, rather than pay the entire fuel cost for a mostly empty ship [29-Sep-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: sure, I was just looking at the pay for transporting all of the open shipping orders [29-Sep-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: and $40 seemed paltry [29-Sep-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: it's about 120t / 120m3 [29-Sep-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: A lot of shipping from planets to CX is just "if you're making the trip anyways, why not bring my stuff too?" rather than trying to pay enough to incentivize you to make a trip you wouldn't have otherwise [29-Sep-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: fair [29-Sep-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: hehe im shipping for the money [29-Sep-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but urs is because phobos is so close to cx [29-Sep-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: TBF, that's called "logistics" which, I'll remind, has two major corporations in just the united states alone [29-Sep-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: sorry, three [29-Sep-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if its a long distance shipping travel people would pay more [29-Sep-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: all of this shipping costs concern becomes less once you start producing enough stuff to mostly fill your ships each trip. It's just painful to pay for mostly-empty runs as a new player [29-Sep-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: that's the part that I'm grumpy about [29-Sep-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: hahaha i am a long way from filling up my ships [29-Sep-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: true, I made mistakes early on, and worked myself into a bad position. but I'm trying to calculate the best way to restart [29-Sep-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: and I'm not seeing any GOOD options [29-Sep-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can mayb choose a diff planet to start on? [29-Sep-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I was trying to find one of those too, but almost nowhere looks good either [29-Sep-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what kind of planets you looking for [29-Sep-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Benten and Antares are both struggling right now, as poked at in the latest Turnip article (https://prosperousturnip.com/post/3021/09/28-regional-tensions-flare/) {Embed} https://prosperousturnip.com/post/3021/09/28-regional-tensions-flare/ Regional Tensions Flare Regional tensions flared recently over the merits of various galactic quadrants, with representatives of Antares and Benten going head to head over trading channels, starting with this outburst from an unnamed Antarean: All I hear is ā€œBenten prices thisā€ and ā€œBenten currency thatā€. Itā€™s Benten, Benten, Benten. What about Antares? It sucks here ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SlheMFAgaK3ZDn6CHDdrpAcYRg2enaGR6JF_sT7zNao/https/prosperousturnip.com/img/prop-turnip-ad.png [29-Sep-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: one planet wont have everthing so it is all dependent on the needed inputs vs what you cant get on the planet itself [29-Sep-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: link ^ sounds about right [29-Sep-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: and I know one planet won't have everything. [29-Sep-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: It's more like...construction needs three core resources: iron, limestone, and silicon ore. Getting TWO of those in the same system where one has a quality high enough to be worth mining basically doesn't exist. [29-Sep-21 03:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: montem? [29-Sep-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: montem is having a pioneer shortage rn i think [29-Sep-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I have no idea where that is or how to find it [29-Sep-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch [29-Sep-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (phobos is in a weird spot where silicon ore is worth mining, which is useless without limestone, which can't be found for 2 hops, and no one mines the iron because it can't sell for high enough to recoup the upkeep, which means there's no one smelting iron...) [29-Sep-21 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: use the link to find planets [29-Sep-21 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: fancy [29-Sep-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: ...I still can't use this to locate a planet I know the name of for its location *in the galaxy* XD [29-Sep-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you mean you want to see the planet info in game? [29-Sep-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: ah, distance to moria is 0, so that actually helps [29-Sep-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: montem pioneer shortage right now [29-Sep-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: More like I would want to know how far it would be to travel from "this looks like a nice planet" to "an exchange" [29-Sep-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can use pli to see planet info in game [29-Sep-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: wait... can you use blu? [29-Sep-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: use, as in access the command and design ships, yes. [29-Sep-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: to create blueprint and set it to the default [29-Sep-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: then test it [29-Sep-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: fair [29-Sep-21 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: but what I'd like is, for some way to search *the galaxy map* for a planet and see where it is *on the galaxy map* [29-Sep-21 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: there's like 1000 systems. even knowing which system you're looking for, there's no coordinate grid. or there, is, kind of? but its unlabeled [29-Sep-21 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: so having something like "PD-754" isn't translatable into anything [29-Sep-21 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: agree 100% [29-Sep-21 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (quick, find PD-574 and take a screenshot of it on the galaxy map) [29-Sep-21 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you move your mouse over each small dot... thr are labels but yea difficult to find [29-Sep-21 03:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: each hexagon has unique letter pairs, but like UB is next to PD. [29-Sep-21 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: on the other sides, VH and OZ [29-Sep-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: at least those with the same letter pair are close [29-Sep-21 03:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: PD-999 and PD-111 will always be in the same hex. Just different subregion triangles [29-Sep-21 03:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yup [29-Sep-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: anyway, going to plod along for another couple of days because I swear my consumables are getting double-dipped on occasion [29-Sep-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: If you use, eg, 1.1/day, then every 10th day 2 will be taken [29-Sep-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: like monday I was like "I have 29 rations and drinking water, that's 3 days worth." then yesterday morning I was down to 10 and knew that it hadn't ticked yet. [29-Sep-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (my consumption is 9.6) [29-Sep-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: How do you know it didn't tick? [29-Sep-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: because it ticks in the afternoons [29-Sep-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: last night when I went to bed I had 1 each [29-Sep-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (and a ship in transit with 20 more) [29-Sep-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Certain events can trigger an early tick [29-Sep-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: yes, the population census or whatever is one. but *supposedly* after it happens the next tick doesn't actually occur [29-Sep-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Note that early ticks don't mean consumables are wasted, just consumed earlier instead of later [29-Sep-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: or rather, it shifted when the tick happens from, say, 4pm to 9am. So you ticked at 4pm yesterday and then 9am this morning. But you won't tick again until 9am tomorrow. [29-Sep-21 03:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yes, a tick happens 24h after the previous, unless something triggers one first [29-Sep-21 03:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: the downside of this is that if you run out during that second early tick your productivity gets penalized. [29-Sep-21 03:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yup. Don't run out [29-Sep-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: what else triggers an early tick? [29-Sep-21 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: because the entire tick system is opaque to new players. We're told "this much per day" and that it'll tick "at some point in the next 24 hours." [29-Sep-21 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: suddenly early tick [29-Sep-21 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: "oh that only happens like once, then you're on the new cycle, shouldn't happen again" [29-Sep-21 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: sudden early tick [29-Sep-21 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Getting new consumables when you are short, which is a good thing. [29-Sep-21 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: But really, just try not to get your safety net *that* low [29-Sep-21 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: the one that ran me dry, the ship was in transit, just the early tick (that i didn't even know was a thing) happened about 4 hours before the ship arrived [29-Sep-21 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I knew I was getting low, and sent a ship to get supplies, but I assumed that at a minimum I had 24 hours. [29-Sep-21 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: because I had enough to cover the next tick [29-Sep-21 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: but no, an early tick happened like 2 hours after my regular tick, in the middle of the night [29-Sep-21 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: The POPR? [29-Sep-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: it was POPR that time yes [29-Sep-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I have no idea what happened yesterday [29-Sep-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yea it resets with the POPR [29-Sep-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: ah, it was also a POPR [29-Sep-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (I somehow missed that notification) [29-Sep-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: as in, marked it read with a bunch of other things, and my eyes didn't read the words [29-Sep-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i do the same [29-Sep-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: 11pm, yeah, that sounds about right for when I noticed the drop from 10 to 1... [29-Sep-21 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i send my ship to get OVEs whenever only 5-6 days worth remains [29-Sep-21 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but i buy in bulk so i dont have to worry for a while [29-Sep-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: heh, I managed to buy some raw cotton and squished it together with some PE I had and made like 90 OVE on like, day 3 [29-Sep-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: still got 64 [29-Sep-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (the raw cotton cost about a third of what it would have cost to buy the OVE) [29-Sep-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: nc [29-Sep-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i dont have a bmp so i dont make ove [29-Sep-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yeah, making your own OVE is often good early on [29-Sep-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: yeah, 492+250 (for 20) vs. 1300 [29-Sep-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i make RAT and DW so i dont have to worry about those [29-Sep-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: at current prices [29-Sep-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I still make OVE, in fact [29-Sep-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: PWO is way more profitable, however [29-Sep-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: not in Antares [29-Sep-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: you can't buy COT at Ant for any price [29-Sep-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: oof [29-Sep-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: well, ok, there's some in stock now [29-Sep-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I am actually building a WPL soon to do RCO-COT [29-Sep-21 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: but yeah, COT here is hard to get. [29-Sep-21 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: nc [29-Sep-21 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Maybe you will eventually be able to build a WPL and rake in the cash [29-Sep-21 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: the less you need to depend on the cx for nucessities the better [29-Sep-21 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: necessities* [29-Sep-21 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: lets see... 1300+(25*50) = 2550 for 20...buying...3300 [29-Sep-21 03:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: oh yes, upkeep [29-Sep-21 03:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: +215ish [29-Sep-21 03:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: 2765 to make it, 3300 to buy it, could get 2700 selling it [29-Sep-21 03:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (due to price gap) [29-Sep-21 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: the lack of cotton is actually one of the reasons I looked at farming on Phobos [29-Sep-21 03:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: the long growing time makes it non-viable though [29-Sep-21 03:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: Even at the current ask for $492 for raw cotten, and 1 week transport interval, that's a loss of $113/day [29-Sep-21 03:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: weaving it though, that checks out [29-Sep-21 03:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: problem is getting the cash flow to afford the upgrade to settlers [29-Sep-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yeah, it's a big jump [29-Sep-21 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I bootstrapped with a PP2 running on pioneers only, then built the HB2 [29-Sep-21 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: Ah, wistful rememberances of when I worked out how much easier it would be if I started a second base to mine limestone two systems away [29-Sep-21 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: "it would pay for itself in 20 days!" [29-Sep-21 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: #HemoragesMoneyOnFuel [29-Sep-21 04:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: also, LST's price has dropped by two thirds in that time [29-Sep-21 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: eh, maybe only half. [29-Sep-21 04:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: iirc [29-Sep-21 04:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***KURACCCIPICKA** joined.* [29-Sep-21 05:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***hayhay175** joined.* [29-Sep-21 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***chgenix** joined.* [29-Sep-21 05:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RamenTheKid**: How do you increase the amount of active orders a production building can do? [29-Sep-21 05:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Each building takes 1 job at a time. So more buildings is the only way [29-Sep-21 05:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you mean, how to increase the queue length, you sometimes get an extra queue slot on HQ upgrades, but not every time. [29-Sep-21 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Queue length is usually not a big problem, as you can make bigger orders. PRO users get recurring orders, which are great [29-Sep-21 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RamenTheKid**: oh lol that makes sense [29-Sep-21 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RamenTheKid**: nah I meant how do I get two FE productions at the same time [29-Sep-21 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RamenTheKid**: makes sense that its literally just to make more buildings haha [29-Sep-21 05:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: A second SME :) [29-Sep-21 05:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: However, you can improve your speed a bit by buying PWO for your pioneers, if you haven't already [29-Sep-21 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: if you're going to do luxuries, its best to do both. Its an 8% increase for 1 and a 21% increase for both. [29-Sep-21 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: check your estimated costs and return, first [29-Sep-21 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: no point spending $500 on luxuries in order to make $100 [29-Sep-21 05:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RamenTheKid**: Yes I provide all luxuries to my pioneers [29-Sep-21 05:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RamenTheKid**: PWO and COF [29-Sep-21 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RamenTheKid**: And it makes more monies [29-Sep-21 06:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Hmm, that's not conventional wisdom, draco. Normally PWO is always worth it and COF only sometimes [29-Sep-21 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BookMouse** joined.* [29-Sep-21 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BookMouse** left.* [29-Sep-21 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: all I said was to check. [29-Sep-21 06:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: it is definitely true that spending $500 to make $100 is a bad deal. But you would _have to check_ to know if that's the case [29-Sep-21 06:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: how much iron should i have before trying to sell it? [29-Sep-21 06:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: how much fits in your ship? [29-Sep-21 06:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: lol 500 tons [29-Sep-21 06:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: I literally started 2 hours ago [29-Sep-21 06:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: the tip the game never tells you: ship as much as possible as infrequently as possible without running out of supplies (food, water, etc) [29-Sep-21 06:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: Oh, ok. [29-Sep-21 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: fuel is expensive, so why move a mostly empty ship? [29-Sep-21 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: that is actually so wise. [29-Sep-21 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: lol [29-Sep-21 06:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: scroll up chat (if you can) to see the mistake I made and why I'm in an unrecoverable position [29-Sep-21 06:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: (tldr: I was transporting too often) [29-Sep-21 06:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: ah, that makes sense [29-Sep-21 06:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: should I do anything while I'm waiting for my extractor and smelter? [29-Sep-21 06:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: I feel like I'm wasting time lol [29-Sep-21 06:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: nope, go off and do something else. unless you want to make EXPANSION PLANS [29-Sep-21 06:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: lol I'm not that serious [29-Sep-21 06:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: well I guess I should go do something else [29-Sep-21 06:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I mean I'm here trying to see if I can recover from my blunder [29-Sep-21 06:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: lol [29-Sep-21 06:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: I've found the profitability usually always goes up with both luxuries. [29-Sep-21 06:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: But might not be the case for every production line [29-Sep-21 06:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: for both luxuries, I believe it. a 21% boost is a lot. [29-Sep-21 06:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: whereas only one is an 8% boost and might be more of a toss-up [29-Sep-21 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: I'm guessing my people die if I run out of drinking water? [29-Sep-21 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: nah, they just stop working [29-Sep-21 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: oh [29-Sep-21 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: invincible people [29-Sep-21 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: they get really angry and your productivity drops like a lead balloon but they don't starve AFAICT [29-Sep-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: like 50% missing food and 50% missing water drops your productivity by 75% [29-Sep-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: ish [29-Sep-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: ah ok [29-Sep-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: good to know my people can survive without food and water [29-Sep-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: we're built different lol [29-Sep-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: Note that your peeps eat/drink/etc once every 24 hours. Except when they decide to do it early once every 5 days due to a population recount. [29-Sep-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: kinda [29-Sep-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Or other things. Just don't cut it close and you don't have to worry about it [29-Sep-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: last POPR was last night, 20 hours ago [29-Sep-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: but yeah, don't cut it close [29-Sep-21 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: related I think I can salvage my position by demolishing my extractor. the sale of the 14 BSE gives me almost the amount of cash I'd need to supply my BMP and PP1 and entire water/food needs for 4 days (the visitation frequency based on cargo load is 4.85 days, apparently) [29-Sep-21 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: add in the product I've already produced and it should be enough [29-Sep-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **aSeptagonBullet**: kinda weird, i took 4 shipping contracts, and picked up the cargo in the contract screen. But only 2 shipment items showed up in my inventory. [29-Sep-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **aSeptagonBullet**: theyre each connected to one of the contracts. but i cant find the shipments for the other 2 contracts... [29-Sep-21 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **aSeptagonBullet**: actually never mind. i was looking on the wrong end of the trip. [29-Sep-21 08:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Tyzan**: Is there a way to remove an ad you put up on the local market? [29-Sep-21 08:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Tyzan**: I just put up a buy order when I meant to make a sell order [29-Sep-21 08:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Tyzan**: nevermind just found it out [29-Sep-21 08:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Madnewmy**: LMOS [29-Sep-21 08:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Madnewmy**: same for CX with CXOS [29-Sep-21 10:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: ah yes. spend more fuel, have 50% longer travel time. HMM [29-Sep-21 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: 55 units and 84 units both take 16 hours. ANY AMOUNT IN BETWEEN takes longer. [29-Sep-21 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: like, 56 fuel takes 1 day 10 hours. Stupid orbits. [29-Sep-21 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: there's a known bug with the time estimates, too. If you just click the fuel slider without moving it, it can sometimes recalculate a shorter/longer estimate [29-Sep-21 11:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: yeah, seen that. this one wasn't doing that [29-Sep-21 11:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: Actually pulled up the system map and was delighted to see a path line being drawn [29-Sep-21 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: as more fuel was spent, the ship was having to chase the station farther and farther around the far side of the sun [29-Sep-21 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: spend less fuel and voop, the station makes it back around in time for an easy landing [29-Sep-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: wow, that's pretty cool and also a good note to not always use a fixed amount of fuel, but check out where the sweet spot time vs fuel is [29-Sep-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: I have been doing that for a while. Mostly based around "I want it to arrive sooner than X, but not that soon, because I'll be asleep" [29-Sep-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yup, smart [29-Sep-21 11:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: This one was just "16 hours? well...that's fine I guess, but it's like 3pm. Lets go faster. No, not longer, faster. More fuel more more more JFC finally back down below 16 hours again. Aaaanddd the amount of fuel isn't worth it" [29-Sep-21 11:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Draco18s**: but yeah. sun chasing. https://i.postimg.cc/gkmKrVHV/image.png {Embed} https://i.postimg.cc/gkmKrVHV/image.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x1Ut1sXaZuZ8B_GAkLOt8M6y9zNFId1Zbla2LRbbrhI/https/i.postimg.cc/gkmKrVHV/image.png [29-Sep-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: Hi, is there any way to sell a ship, or upgrade an existing ship? [29-Sep-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: Couldn't find anything in the handbook [29-Sep-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: no [29-Sep-21 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can only build new ships [29-Sep-21 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: ok thanks [29-Sep-21 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: if you hear of people "selling" ships, they're just selling all the parts [29-Sep-21 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: it just seems strange that your stuck with your starting ships forever [29-Sep-21 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: but I guess it would take a long time, if ever, to outgrow the need for those small starter ships [29-Sep-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: if you work with heavy ores, you can overwhelm them pretty quickly [29-Sep-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: I never thought of them as small. They're universal in size... [29-Sep-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Shipbuilding is still a pretty new thing in this game and there's a lot of progression / balance stuff to work out [29-Sep-21 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: ahh gotcha, so selling/scrapping/trading/upgrading are probably planned features in some form or another, just not in the game just yet [29-Sep-21 11:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, there's some discussion about it on the forums and discord [29-Sep-21 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: certainly if they're going to give new players two (!) good FTL-capable ships right at the beginning, if they could scrap them for parts or otherwise sell them, you can see how it could completely unbalance the game [30-Sep-21 12:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: but if they only give 1 very tiny ship, certain industries are not very viable [30-Sep-21 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: yeah, I can see how it would be a headache to balance, and we haven't even started talking about ship rental contracts [30-Sep-21 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: ;) [30-Sep-21 06:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: i readed something that going full C as a carbon farmer isnt a good idea? could anyone elaborte? what is a good way to go as a carbon farmer then? [30-Sep-21 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @notuff: If you do the math and you're making money, don't worry about it. Historically, it's been low-income because a lot of new players go Carbon Farmer. [30-Sep-21 06:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **gajus**: Is there any way to track my production, some kind of production log? I've made myself a weekly production plan and everything is kind of hard to track only using the production lines. [30-Sep-21 07:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: @sagnaki i see, if i look some things up its indeed low income, but C prices are rising now. But wat comes up needs to come down, tempting to start over [30-Sep-21 07:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: looks like C is one of the easiest to start with, so that would explain why much ppl choice that to start with [30-Sep-21 07:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***chgenix** left.* [30-Sep-21 07:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: oke another question, a reccuring order means, when done it will come back in the last place of the que? [30-Sep-21 07:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: yes [30-Sep-21 07:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: thanks <3 [30-Sep-21 07:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: np [30-Sep-21 07:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: this is a life changer, so i can just make a loop if i need diffrent items [30-Sep-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: yes looping items with reccuring order is a game changer [30-Sep-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: watch out though if you build a new building or cancel an order it will instantly filled again [30-Sep-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: happend to me twice :D [30-Sep-21 07:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: i see, would not be a problem now, but i can imagine a senario's where that would suck [30-Sep-21 07:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***chgenix** joined.* [30-Sep-21 07:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: The only way to earn money is to sell stuff, right? [30-Sep-21 07:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: if the pro license you can also do shipping contracts were you move stuff from a to b for a fee [30-Sep-21 07:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: but it is not that profitable compared to producing and selling [30-Sep-21 07:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ganessi** joined.* [30-Sep-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: What's the difference between STL and FTL Fuel? [30-Sep-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **NeoGriffen**: STL is sub light fuel, FTL is for faster than light [30-Sep-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: STL is used for inner system travel and FTL is for jumping between systems [30-Sep-21 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: a majority of the travel time is from inner system travel so using more or less STL can significantly change the time the trip takes. Changing the amount of FTL you use has less of an effect so I always just use the min for that. [30-Sep-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: so FTL is better than STL [30-Sep-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: but it doesn't make much of a change. [30-Sep-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **NeoGriffen**: You'll need both fuels [30-Sep-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: unless you're on montem or vallis and only travel to moria then you can get away with just stl [30-Sep-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **NeoGriffen**: If you are traveling to/from multiply systems, you'll notice FTL has more effect. If you are simply travelling in system, you notice more STL [30-Sep-21 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: is there a way to only view unfilled cx orders [30-Sep-21 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i mean... in cxos you can delete filled orders to just leave the unfilled ones? [30-Sep-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: If it says "SHIPPING" in the local market, how does the process work? [30-Sep-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: the ad person gives a package labelled shipment #stringoflettersandnumbers and the payment amount, then you have to pick it up from the origin location bring it to the destination within the number of days [30-Sep-21 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: oh [30-Sep-21 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: ok thanks [30-Sep-21 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you need pro to use the LM [30-Sep-21 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It requires PRO/Basic, fyi [30-Sep-21 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: 1 month pro at least [30-Sep-21 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: then basic just to accept and not post [30-Sep-21 09:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: ok [30-Sep-21 09:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **chgenix**: aw i have basic :( [30-Sep-21 09:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you need to get pro first before you downgrade to basic [30-Sep-21 09:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: if I have a ship heading to montem inside of moria is there a way to redirect it to moria station [30-Sep-21 09:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if you nvr get pro for like a month at least then you would be trial [30-Sep-21 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: did you start the flight inside that system? [30-Sep-21 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: no [30-Sep-21 09:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: I started from Antares Station [30-Sep-21 09:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: then you could abort it... it would finish the phase it is in (check the view of the ship) and then from there you can make it fly to cx... [30-Sep-21 09:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: it's on it's last phase so wouldn't get there any quicker then [30-Sep-21 09:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: not sure if it is worth aborting but it is an option... idk if it affects the time i never tried it [30-Sep-21 09:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: o ye then you cant do anything [30-Sep-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: when people talk about start up loans etc. how does that work? because from what I can see there is no way to just send another company money [30-Sep-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: You can place an order selling 1 DW for an arbitrarily large price [30-Sep-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Then they accept it. [30-Sep-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: ah ok, thank you' [30-Sep-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: An LM order, that is [30-Sep-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: barter trades are often done by both sides placing Buy orders for $ 1, similarly [30-Sep-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: that makes sense [30-Sep-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Don't do it the other way around, or someone could snipe it, lol [30-Sep-21 11:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: how prevalent is piracy and that sort of behaviour though? maybe it's just because I'm new, but I've done a bunch of LM contracts and everyone seems very trusting and open, paying ahead of delivery etc. [30-Sep-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: So far I've heard of almost no intentional piracy. It's a small community, so they'd be outed pretty quick. [30-Sep-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: that's what I was thinking, the prospect of a name and shame seems scary as hell [30-Sep-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I've heard of a number of expensive shipments being destroyed when the other player COLIQ'd before delivery, though [30-Sep-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: what does COLIQ mean? [30-Sep-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Restart command [30-Sep-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: ohh, company liquidation I'm guessing? [30-Sep-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: You can liquidate your company and start over completely. Yeah [30-Sep-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: So anything you have is deleted, you get the starter kit again, with a new choice of kit and planet. [30-Sep-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, though in normal terms "liquidate" means to sell everything and take the proceeds, but in this case, everything about your company is erased and you start over [30-Sep-21 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: haha, I'm tempted to do that, I made a couple wrong turns over my first couple of days, running buildings at a loss and such, but I think I can turn it around pretty easily now I k now what I'm doing... [30-Sep-21 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Oh, yeah. You learn so much about the game mechanics in the first few days you can easily get start over and quickly make up for a few lost days. [30-Sep-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: I just need a few SIO on Vallis to get my BMP up and running profitably again though which should happen soon [30-Sep-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Lots of us have. If you click on my name in chat, for instance, you'll see I registered 123 days ago, but if you click on the company name from there, you'll see it was founded 119 days ago. [30-Sep-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: So I restarted after about the same amount of time that you've played [30-Sep-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: My critical lesson was "just because something looks very profitable, doesn't mean you have the starting capital to do it" [30-Sep-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: >.< [30-Sep-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: lol yeah. And don't make the mistake of buying a shiny new building instead of the consumables and inputs to feed what you have. [30-Sep-21 12:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: Lordcirth, that's exactly what I did haha [30-Sep-21 12:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Right now I'm trying to decide whether I should build my WPL when the last prefabs are done in 2h, or sell some/all of those prefabs because I have $ 500 lol [30-Sep-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: yeah you also have to keep in mind population inputs aswell [30-Sep-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: make sure to do that [30-Sep-21 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***dorkmistovich** joined.* [30-Sep-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mukyr** joined.* [30-Sep-21 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **notuff**: how do i convert a currencie? found the fx command, but cant figure out how it works [30-Sep-21 03:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: watch the video transmission on the topic would be my advise [30-Sep-21 03:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKDlZcJx3CQ {Embed} Prosperous Universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKDlZcJx3CQ Foreign Exchange - Prosperous Universe Tutorial #5 Written version: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/foreign-exchange/ Contents: 00:00 Introduction 00:50 Viewing exchange rates 01:38 Buying a currency 03:10 Order history & exchange rates history 03:42 Arbitrage 06:30 Final words This video is part of a tutorial series for Prosperous Universe First Access. The series prov... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xs3SYgatoOy9Gm2kL20hHM9qJfx1xQTSASgMauoXqHQ/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/jKDlZcJx3CQ/maxresdefault.jpg [30-Sep-21 03:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: its a bit complicated [30-Sep-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: @notuff, the other very common option is to transport goods to another CX and sell there. [30-Sep-21 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***cercse** joined.* [30-Sep-21 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: is it generally always more profitable to run production with with workforce luxuries, or are there sometimes cases where the cost of the luxury upkeep isn't worth the addition efficiency? [30-Sep-21 04:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: in general its hard to say unless you have spreadsheets where you can calculate the profit and cost [30-Sep-21 04:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: what i have heard is in general if you have alot of low level production lik extractors it might no be profitable to go for coffee [30-Sep-21 04:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: If the goods are generally profitable it is generally useful to have the luxuries. At least for PIO it's almost always a win [30-Sep-21 04:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the luxuries are not equal though. PWO is pretty much universally worth it, even at twice the price [30-Sep-21 04:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: COF is more likely to require calculation to determine its cost effectiveness [30-Sep-21 04:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: I run 11 EXT on Montem, and the calculations say the ROI is higher with COF. But it's not as big a boost as PWO [30-Sep-21 04:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: So a high COF price might flip that [30-Sep-21 04:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Or perhaps you have better places to invest that COF money [30-Sep-21 04:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: ok good, I like that there is a bit of complexity in calculating the ROI and profitability of using certain efficiency boosts, seems well balanced [30-Sep-21 04:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the actual formula for how much the luxuries affect your worker efficiency is kind of obnoxious, but it's something like a 9% bonus for PWO and a 15% bonus for COF, but COF is much more expensive and workers use more of it [30-Sep-21 04:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: this isn't really a "help" question, more an "out of interest" question, but are there many people at the scientist level of production? I see there is very little demand for any of the high-end consumables and prefabs, even though the game seems to have been running for quite a while [30-Sep-21 04:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you use both it takes your worker efficiency to 100%, but the actual breakdown is like *(1+(1/11)) for PWO and *(1+(2/13)) for COF [30-Sep-21 04:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it has been running for a while, i wouldn't say we're early game anymore but i don't think we're late game yet [30-Sep-21 04:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: idk if anyone is running scientists yet, but there are several planets getting close [30-Sep-21 04:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: requires planetary infrastructure projects to even get any scientists to live there in the first place. things like universities and such [30-Sep-21 04:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: interesting, so eventually space on those developed planets will become a premium, and pioneer level production will be gentrified out to the surrounding systems [30-Sep-21 04:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: That's a hot political topic on Montem right now lol [30-Sep-21 04:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: to an extent yes. the core worlds have a lot going for them for tier 1 production, and being so populated makes it difficult for them to come to concensus [30-Sep-21 04:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Afaik there are no SCI's yet [30-Sep-21 04:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so it's more like secondary worlds get specialized, and base resource production gets spattered everywhere [30-Sep-21 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: some of the primary worlds figure it out and specialize and tech up. but it tends to take focused groups of citizens (usually wealthy power players / corps) to decide to invest in teching up a planet, as there's a bit of loss involved in setting up for higher tech and waiting for it to grow [30-Sep-21 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: as higher tier populations develop over time; they have to migrate/educate up to fill open jobs for their tech level [30-Sep-21 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: but if that's the only way to progress, no point making money just to watch it sit in your wallet, investing in infrastructure and progress seems like the best thing to do [30-Sep-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: amen, preaching to the choir [30-Sep-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Some folks don't see it that way. [30-Sep-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: some folks though just want to expand horizontally as much as possible. for some players it's enough to just see the numbers get bigger [30-Sep-21 04:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: They literally want to keep the planets low tech cause their own production is low tech [30-Sep-21 04:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: although horizontal expansion leads to serious logistics difficulties, unless you want to throw tons of money at buying ship parts to make a big logistics fleet [30-Sep-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: only so much cargo space and flights take a lot of time. once you have a handful of bases, shipping becomes your biggest bottleneck [30-Sep-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: well I'm still pretty new, so it's low-tech, single base for me for a while [30-Sep-21 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it's a snowball. honestly enjoy the single base life for a while, once you get that second base you're already thinking about a third base, etc [30-Sep-21 04:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i just started base 4 like 2 weeks ago, and if i wasn't in an internal restructuring push right now i'd probably be building base 5 this week [30-Sep-21 04:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but i spent my first 90+ days with just the one base [30-Sep-21 05:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***DaPickle210** joined.* [30-Sep-21 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***AgentFunds** joined.* [30-Sep-21 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AgentFunds**: ... [01-Oct-21 12:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lungefrankie**: what happens if a contract runs out of time? [01-Oct-21 12:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: whoever has fulfilled more of it, or the original poster if tied (I think), chooses whether to let it breach or to extend the deadline [01-Oct-21 12:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: breach hurts the rating of the person who hadn't fulfilled their side [01-Oct-21 12:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: if neither party did anything, breaching does not affect rating for either player [01-Oct-21 12:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Best to reach out to the other party to see what's happening. Sometimes real life gets in the way and they just need more time, or perhaps they just can't fulfill it and some compensation could be worked out. [01-Oct-21 12:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Sorry, missed an important part: if it breaches, money/goods already delivered aren't returned. So a bad-faith player could steal stuff by accepting LM contracts and not fulfilling their part. There is a risk to LM [01-Oct-21 02:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***flyinggoatman** joined.* [01-Oct-21 04:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***FolkoBolko** joined.* [01-Oct-21 04:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FolkoBolko**: My extracors keeps getting halted what should i do [01-Oct-21 04:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Check whether you have enough consumables and inputs. [01-Oct-21 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: I guess there are no inputs for extractors. [01-Oct-21 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FolkoBolko**: okay [01-Oct-21 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: If they run and then stop you are missing RAT/DW/OVE/PWO and maybe COF. You should at least have stock of the first three in your base. [01-Oct-21 04:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Check your base's Workforce screen to see what consumables they need, if any are missing, and how much they need per day. [01-Oct-21 04:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FolkoBolko**: How do you order consumables [01-Oct-21 04:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: produce them yourself or buy them on a CX [01-Oct-21 04:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: or LM [01-Oct-21 04:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: if production is halting, it may not be consumables, running out of an essential one will only slow you down a lot (much bigger effect than not having a luxury consumable), sounds like he may not have enough cash on hand to pay taxes (though how you have that little cash on hand in impressive) [01-Oct-21 04:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Tommie_Extreem** joined.* [01-Oct-21 04:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Tommie_Extreem**: i need BSE, also, im new [01-Oct-21 04:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Tommie_Extreem**: could anyone help me? [01-Oct-21 04:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Tommie_Extreem**: nvm [01-Oct-21 05:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kinnduu**: we are always here to help ^-^ [01-Oct-21 05:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FolkoBolko**: HELP [01-Oct-21 05:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FolkoBolko**: How do you get water [01-Oct-21 05:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Assanova**: you must be on a planet with water [01-Oct-21 05:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Assanova**: and then build a RIG [01-Oct-21 05:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Assanova**: to check what planet you are on . click on BS on the left side bar [01-Oct-21 05:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FolkoBolko**: I need the basic things to start extracting iron [01-Oct-21 05:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FolkoBolko**: can i order them? [01-Oct-21 05:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Assanova**: to get materials check out CXL on the sidebar [01-Oct-21 05:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Assanova**: depending on your planet you are looking at different exchanges [01-Oct-21 05:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Assanova**: you have to move your ship to the central exchange to recieve your materials tho [01-Oct-21 05:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***NinthHuman** joined.* [01-Oct-21 07:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sarlanor** joined.* [01-Oct-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: Do people usually do large runs or small recurring runs? From what I can see there's no difference in cost, just an increase in flexibility [01-Oct-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: new players: small runs. With Pro and recurring orders, I've gone to making slightly larger runs so I don't get as much notification spam. [01-Oct-21 11:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: The main place where larger orders helps is if you have more buildings than queue length. You might need to carefully assign job lengths to stagger when they finish so they don't all draw from the queue at the same time and run out of work [01-Oct-21 11:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: thanks zizzle! you've answered a few of my questions here, if I could updoot you in some way I would haha [01-Oct-21 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: is there information available anywhere on the positioning of the planets/stations. Their orbit length in days / distance from the sun etc.? [01-Oct-21 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: aside from just eyeballing it on the map [01-Oct-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: I am trying to build another new base. I have all of the necessary materials but the "BUILD BASE" button at the bottom of the buffer is greyed out. [01-Oct-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: Any suggestions as to why? [01-Oct-21 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: I have a permit available, there are plots available, my ship is on the surface [01-Oct-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: yes [01-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: It now says Change Selection [01-Oct-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @OGPizza: Unsure if you figured it out. You need a hauler landed on the planet w/ the correct materials. The "change selection" bit is "select the storage to build from" (assuming two haulers were there). [01-Oct-21 12:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: I reset the page and tried again, and it seemed to work. [01-Oct-21 12:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: Thank you for your help! [01-Oct-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dmetry** joined.* [01-Oct-21 06:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***itsnick** joined.* [01-Oct-21 07:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DaPickle210**: How can I construct a BMP? [01-Oct-21 07:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DaPickle210**: I can't find it in the construct menu on my base [01-Oct-21 07:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: First one under pioneers [01-Oct-21 07:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Buildings are listed in the tab with the highest level workers they can employ (in case of mixed buildings) [01-Oct-21 07:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DaPickle210**: Ah thanks [01-Oct-21 09:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***yaboimax50** joined.* [01-Oct-21 10:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***YaBoiBins** joined.* [01-Oct-21 11:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Mortality**: Great the glitch with the HQ not opening is now fixed, but I don't need it now. For what it costs to upgrade past level 5, I don't think it's worth it for the small efficiency gains, with no queue slot increases. [01-Oct-21 11:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheGrandJeef** joined.* [02-Oct-21 07:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: The main reason is to settle new bases [02-Oct-21 07:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***druiddb2** joined.* [02-Oct-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Trepach** joined.* [02-Oct-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: hi all! where can I find info abour "CoGC program" [02-Oct-21 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: on "planet info" of the planet you wanna see just click on "Chamber of Global Commerce" [02-Oct-21 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: PLI and then the code for the planet [02-Oct-21 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: or COGC and then the planet for the direct route [02-Oct-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: and to get to the current programm just click on "programs / vote" under "command" [02-Oct-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: or use the COGCPEX and then the planet name [02-Oct-21 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: Hey, another Shwipp question. Let's say I'm mining a bunch of FEO, about 140 units over the course of several days. The total weight of those units is like 700t, will that weight slowly accrue in my base storage as the mining operation proceeds, so say 350t at 50% etc.? Or will it just all appear at the end of the run? [02-Oct-21 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty for answer [02-Oct-21 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it'll all appear at the end of the run [02-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: is this question the same?: is a multi ordered batch giving off products after each order or after the batch end? [02-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: same q, after batch end [02-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [02-Oct-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: so for heavy mining industry it's much better to do short manageable runs, rather than one big batch of 1000 FEO that will just overwhelm your base storage. [02-Oct-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you up the quantity when running production, it's all the same batch -- so it will take all the inputs at the beginning and give all the outputs at the end. generally unless you need to fill your queue for a long time of inactivity, you get the best flexibility from doing minimum runs. [02-Oct-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: there is no benefit to larger runs, other than scheduling [02-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: thanks derelict, you're a legend [02-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: seriously, so many helpful people in this channel :) [02-Oct-21 11:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: yes, good answer! if running a line generates specialists, does the counter reset when lines are paused? [02-Oct-21 11:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: not sure exactly what you mean, but you only get experts at the end of a run, so you could be losing out on getting an expert if you run a very long production. [02-Oct-21 11:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: for example, if you were going to get an expert in another 1 day of production time, but you have a 4 day production run, you're missing out on 3 days of an expert because they wont appear until the run finishes [02-Oct-21 11:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: handbook has the best details on expert generation: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/#experts {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/ Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [02-Oct-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: thats a good point. I was asking something else. if I need 100 days and work for 50, then I end and reset all production, how much more do I need? [02-Oct-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: i.e. will a pause and reset a line also reset the counter? will a demolition and rebuilding reset it? [02-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: or is the counter base-wise and remembering progress? [02-Oct-21 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: the counter shouldnt reset, if you tear down all buildings contributing towards that expert generation, it should pause the counter [02-Oct-21 11:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [02-Oct-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yeah it's cumulative time [02-Oct-21 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how can I see base production values? without bonuses and rounding? i.e. I can see what I practically get, which is rounded somehow. or is it instead cumulative? [02-Oct-21 12:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the original recipes show the base values, but afaik all displays in APEX are rounded, so they may not be truly exact [02-Oct-21 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the closest to exact numbers i've found is actually outside apex, using the FIO REST api (https://doc.fnar.net/) but that requires some coding [02-Oct-21 12:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and all that's doing is sniffing the underlying time values given by apex (epoch timestamp in ms), so you can get a more precise timeline for a given recipe in your queue with all bonuses applied. again, sorry if i'm answering adjacent to your question and missing the point [02-Oct-21 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: great answer! and on point, too. you;ve been of great help. looking at the recipes is a good idea. since I'm very new, where can I find the recipes for natural extraction? like O [02-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sigmachief13** joined.* [02-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Sigmachief13**: Greetins [02-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so that's *slightly* tougher, as it depends on what the resource availability is on planet. again fio has a good tool: https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch which will let you input a given worker efficiency and output the extraction amount per day [02-Oct-21 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: essentially if you look at the building with BUI COL it'll tell you it runs 6hr cycles... but this isn't exact. it'll be rounded to the nearest whole number you can extract based on resource availability [02-Oct-21 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: e.g. if you could extract 5.85 in 6 hrs, your cycle will be like 6h 8m for 6 [02-Oct-21 12:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i didn't do any math there lol so that's likely an inaccurate calculation [02-Oct-21 12:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: hello! derelict, thank you [02-Oct-21 12:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but apex is strangely obscure with some of its numbers -- so there's no easy way through the apex interface to see _exactly_ what the resource amount on a planet is. the fio tool again looks at the underlying numbers to make the calculations [02-Oct-21 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you're interested in that stuff, there's a whole discord for community tools where they discuss a lot of stuff regarding reverse engineering apex numbers and calculating values: https://discord.gg/aGEtdwWH [02-Oct-21 12:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: great, thanks a lot! [02-Oct-21 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: np :) [02-Oct-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: What's a good profit/day for your first month? [02-Oct-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: 1k/day/building? [02-Oct-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: per building, yes. I started today. dont have many bonuses. I have 1000-1500 per day/building. [02-Oct-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: as a free member, what can I use the local market for? anything? nothing? just browsing? [02-Oct-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: yep [02-Oct-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: nothing [02-Oct-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Nothing. if you have Basic, you can accept but not post [02-Oct-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: so I can do something other than browse. if I can accept, can I fulfill? will it look like a contract? do I fulfill on the contract tile, on market tile or both? [02-Oct-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Free is not basic. Basic is expired PRO [02-Oct-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: no, you're a TRIAL user. BASIC is folks whoo went PRO and then stopped [02-Oct-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: oh-oh. I should learn the differences. I expected two tipes [02-Oct-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: yeah theres 3 types of accounts [02-Oct-21 04:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***mucketymuck** joined.* [02-Oct-21 06:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how can I see a list of all products? [02-Oct-21 06:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: "CX CI1" is your best bet. [02-Oct-21 06:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and just page through the different categories [02-Oct-21 06:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Then you can click on the icons ("GIN" for example) and page through the buildings...and from there it's like wikipedia. [02-Oct-21 06:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: ^ or that. prepare to get lost though, especially in electronics and ship parts ;) [02-Oct-21 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: haha thanks [02-Oct-21 06:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: what does bfab mean [02-Oct-21 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: perhaps basic prefabs? [02-Oct-21 06:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Basic Prefabs, yes. BFabs, LFabs, RFabs, AFabs (PP1, PP2, PP3, PP4) required to make them respectively. [02-Oct-21 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BangBogel** joined.* [02-Oct-21 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BangBogel** left.* [02-Oct-21 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***xKenny** joined.* [02-Oct-21 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Gfeller** joined.* [02-Oct-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: All the construction prefabs that start with B are Bfabs [02-Oct-21 07:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: BDE, BSE, BBH BDE.... LDE, LSE, LBH, LSE, etc. [02-Oct-21 08:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BangBogel**: could somebody tell me how to change company's name? [02-Oct-21 08:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I don't think you can, without a COLIQ [02-Oct-21 08:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BangBogel** joined.* [02-Oct-21 09:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Correct. You cannot change your company name unless you COLIQ. [02-Oct-21 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BangBogel**: Ok... thanks [03-Oct-21 12:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what happens if a person doesn't pay the amount for a shipping contract? [03-Oct-21 01:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***AgentB240** left.* [03-Oct-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: contract goes into breach, and loses some rating (though not enough in most peoples opinion) [03-Oct-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: if the contract doesn't get renewed, hold onto the items and you get them (though that might put you into breach) [03-Oct-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: it's best to try and talk to the person first [03-Oct-21 01:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: that person has 1hr... and is offline [03-Oct-21 01:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i dont think that person can pay the 30NCC to me [03-Oct-21 01:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: huh, if no one has filled any part of contract yet (ie, you didn't have it on auto) you might just want to let that one expire [03-Oct-21 01:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: that person gave the goods and i picked them up already [03-Oct-21 01:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: that person was online when i first accepted the contract but didnt pay me then... on a 24hr delivery contract [03-Oct-21 01:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: hmm, take them for now, as currently you'll be in breach if you fail to deliver [03-Oct-21 01:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: if you deliver and he doesn't pay, it hits his rep more [03-Oct-21 01:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: and 30 NCC isn't much, is it to a CX? [03-Oct-21 01:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: odds are, he'll be able to pay the fee [03-Oct-21 01:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: from cx to montem so its close... and was on the way for me plus other contracts [03-Oct-21 01:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: it was a small package too... if that helps [03-Oct-21 01:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: yeah, definitely take with you then, as I don't think you can set up auto payment, so odds are he set up the ad and went offline [03-Oct-21 01:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: and he'll pay you when he next comes online [03-Oct-21 01:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: he was online for a good 4hrs from the time i accepted the contract... maybe he didnt see the notif or smth [03-Oct-21 01:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but he was definitely online for a while [03-Oct-21 01:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: him, online doesn't mean paying attention, he could have just left the window open and closed them all suddenly [03-Oct-21 01:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: o ye true [03-Oct-21 01:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: as in, open on a separate tab, and then just closed all tabs [03-Oct-21 01:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but im reaching montem soon... [03-Oct-21 01:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I'd deliver, worst case, your not out much, and you know not to do business with him again [03-Oct-21 01:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i will give him 40 mins... [03-Oct-21 01:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: he could also be waiting for delivery before payment [03-Oct-21 01:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: since the contract part timer for his pay is 53 rn [03-Oct-21 01:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: nah i have like over an hr to deliver... he has less than that to pay [03-Oct-21 01:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: which to be fair, is a good idea, it's just most of us trust each other to fill a contract so it normally doesn't matter [03-Oct-21 01:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i will update when he pays ya since right now cant do anything [03-Oct-21 01:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: when his time is up, see if the contract gives you the option to declare a breach of contact before your end comes up [03-Oct-21 01:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ooo [03-Oct-21 01:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ok... i nvr experience breach before yet so it might be good [03-Oct-21 01:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Well if he gets it, and doesn't log on you're stuck [03-Oct-21 01:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: had it heppen once, guy I was shipping for had 10 shipping contracts with me all from the same place to another, and he missed one when he was paying [03-Oct-21 01:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: he messaged me and asked me to extend so he could fix, so I did and he paided [03-Oct-21 01:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: if the contract breaches while you have the items, you keep the items [03-Oct-21 01:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ah... so it might have been an overlook when swamped with many notifs [03-Oct-21 01:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: gotcha [03-Oct-21 01:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: possible [03-Oct-21 01:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: I did a corp sale for 24 hours once, but shipment was delayed so whatever I forgot about it. Goods arrived and I didn't notice then I went into breach for not paying and the other party had to unlock before I had the "privilege" to pay [03-Oct-21 01:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: though I doubt it if he only has 1 hour [03-Oct-21 01:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Corp buy I should say [03-Oct-21 01:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i think imma just wait [03-Oct-21 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Payment does come before delivery [03-Oct-21 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: since my ship is stopping there for other contracts anyways [03-Oct-21 01:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: if it does breach and you get the items, hold onto them in case he wants to fix it, and just let him make the ad to buy said items for what the shipping fee is meant to be anyway (plus maybe a small amount for the inconvenience) [03-Oct-21 02:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: nvm he just paid [03-Oct-21 03:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: is there a way to see my pending orders? can I see order history other than notifications? [03-Oct-21 03:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: cxos [03-Oct-21 03:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [03-Oct-21 04:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Trepach** deleted this message.* [03-Oct-21 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***ghostpants** left.* [03-Oct-21 07:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rillow22** joined.* [03-Oct-21 08:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Tommie_Extreem**: anyone need anything? [03-Oct-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Narnax** joined.* [03-Oct-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: @Tommie I'll take a million NCC [03-Oct-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Are the consumable requirements different from planet to planet? For example, would I need more exoskeleton suits on a planet with high pressure? [03-Oct-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: No. Consumables are the same. EXO are for if you employ settlers [03-Oct-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: But you do need the extra building materials for every building [03-Oct-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: So for high pressure, 1 HSE per building [03-Oct-21 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: I'm using the base planner spreadsheet and I'm trying to figure out why profit/day would be different between two planets with similar amounts of FEO. [03-Oct-21 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Which planets? [03-Oct-21 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: xh-594b and wb-947b [03-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: second planet has more FEO but less profit. [03-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: the extra building materials also factors into building repairs right so ongoing upkeep will also be X more expensive? [03-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: I'm seeing 985 profit per day on Kiruna, 1260 on WB-947b. I see more profit on the second one, but it will be MUCH more expensive to settle, probably 2-3x as much [03-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: the repair costs are on a separate line (degradation costs) so I don't thing that accounts for it. The spreadsheet I'm looking at give WB-947b less profit. [03-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: so I must be missing something. Just don't know what. [03-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: How much output per day? [03-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: For 1 EXT on the "Recipe Options" sheet [03-Oct-21 11:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: the sheet also factors in travel costs to CX for import/exports [03-Oct-21 11:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: if it's rains one you're using, it might be the transit costs that are eating into the profit [03-Oct-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: They're both a similar distance to CX so I wouldn't think travel is making a big difference. [03-Oct-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Does it take a lot more fuel to land on a high pressure/low temp planet? [03-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: @shwippity it does not take into account transport. [03-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: @Ogrebeef unknown. But it wouldn't affect the numbers you're seeing? [03-Oct-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: @Ogre, I think mainly mass of the planet affects SF usage. [03-Oct-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: It's possible atmospheric conditions affect it too, but probably not temperature. [03-Oct-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: @Ogre how much FEO does it say you're producing in each case? [03-Oct-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Kiruna is 37/day and WB-947b is 46/day [03-Oct-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: And the price per unit? [03-Oct-21 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: price is the same [03-Oct-21 12:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: 35.73 [03-Oct-21 12:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Is revenue the same then? [03-Oct-21 12:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: yes [03-Oct-21 12:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: profit is lining up now. I think changing buildings to just an extractor and two smelters fixed it. I had a metallist shop in the mix before. [03-Oct-21 12:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Degradation seems to be a big factor. Do building break down faster on low temp/high press worlds or is it simply that the repair materials cost more? [03-Oct-21 12:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: The repairs cost significantly more. 2-3x more depending on the conditions. [03-Oct-21 12:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: The initial buildings also cost 2-3x more. Even more if you can't get INS for cheap [03-Oct-21 01:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: can I store items on a trading center and fly away? does it need premium account? how much does it charge? [03-Oct-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: yes you can, it costs 100 a week, you dont need pro [03-Oct-21 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Confirmed: WAR on CX is 100 currency a week, which is effectively "free" [03-Oct-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: is it generally cheaper to ship burnables or to ship C? [03-Oct-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: do you mean size and weight? you can check which is more compact [03-Oct-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: does cargo weight increase fuel costs? like lower mileage per fuel? [03-Oct-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: yeah, looks like the resulting carbon weighs 3 times the input burnables, so definitely cheaper to ship the burnables [03-Oct-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: I don't know if weight increases mileage, but limited cargo space means higher volume or weight will increase the shipping costs [03-Oct-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: it also depends on which recipe you use... and take into account the difference in price if you're shipping to sell [03-Oct-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: happy it worked for you [03-Oct-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I suspect burning the biomass is more lucrative than saving on cargo space. maybe your situation is special [03-Oct-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: but better to burn at destination, rather than at the source [03-Oct-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: at least in my case [03-Oct-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: you are right. remmeber to check planet bonuses [03-Oct-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: you mean like CoGC stuff? [03-Oct-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: yes. how can I check the CoGC bonuses if not from HQ? [03-Oct-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: shwippity, is counter intuitive burning leaft to make them more dense. good thing you asked. still, there are many recipes to do so. the most lucrative is making them less dense [03-Oct-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I mean most lucrative per building. not per materials and ignoring upkeep [03-Oct-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Yeah in corp the economic policy on C is to burn onsite (i.e. where you need it) due to shipping weight [03-Oct-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: 5 INCs doing the INC-C-HCP-GRN-MAI recipe at 110% imports and exports the same volume, but import weight is 53.33t while export weight is 150t [03-Oct-21 03:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: also, just got my frist resource extraction specialist [03-Oct-21 03:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I see. thats the case when burning pure HCP. not when mixed with GRN and MAI [03-Oct-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: congrats! [03-Oct-21 09:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LT_fox**: hi [03-Oct-21 09:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***LT_fox** joined.* [03-Oct-21 09:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Hi! [03-Oct-21 10:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Brobot9000** joined.* [03-Oct-21 10:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Mortality**: Just a small thing for the Devs to consider would be making the sliders on the side of the Production line BFRS bigger, or easier to use. [03-Oct-21 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Do you mean the buttons to move up and down the queue? Yeah [03-Oct-21 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Oh, you mean scrolling [03-Oct-21 11:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: What happens when you demolish a building that is partway through a job? Does it just cancel the job as if you had manually cancelled? If I have multiple buildings running different jobs, how do I tell which job will be cancelled? [03-Oct-21 11:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: If you go to cancel a job, the window actually tells you what, if anything, you get back [03-Oct-21 11:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Oh that's not your question [03-Oct-21 11:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Probably it'll hit the bottom one... just a guess really [03-Oct-21 11:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **amoliski**: I /think/ it stops you from demolishing it [03-Oct-21 11:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **amoliski**: IIRC it'll tell you to cancel jobs so you have an idle production building [03-Oct-21 11:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **amoliski**: And then it demolishes the unused building [03-Oct-21 11:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: ah, okay. That makes sense [04-Oct-21 01:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BangBogel**: Hi, it's my first time playing this game and i choose metallurgist package. Could somebody tell me what to do in early game after constructing basic building? [04-Oct-21 01:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BangBogel**: do i have to build more production building to increase my income? or do something else [04-Oct-21 02:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: set your first production order first, in this case mining and smelting if I remember your starting buildings correctly [04-Oct-21 02:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: after that, send 1 of your ships to the local CX (exchange, make sure you pick the closest one for now) and look to buy the prefabs for 1-2 new buildings depending on workforce available, prefab prices near you. the new buildings are up to you though, I'd recommend either more of the same, or if you can with your starting cash, something that uses them, the choice is up to you, and there is no right answer (for very long anyway) [04-Oct-21 02:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: you'll also want to consider buying more consuables, and any input materials that you aren't producing yourself (I think C and O for metallurgist) [04-Oct-21 02:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: make sure the ship flies slow, fuel costs money, and most of the time, the time saved flying fast costs more in fuel than you saved [04-Oct-21 02:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: you'll easily have enough space on your cargo ship for all your early trips [04-Oct-21 02:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: though pay attention to how much space you use because as you scale up, it will start to matter [04-Oct-21 02:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: oh wait, you started on Avalon? [04-Oct-21 02:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: looked up using https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/view-company [04-Oct-21 02:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: Avalon is a really bad start for a metallurgist... [04-Oct-21 02:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BangBogel**: @bazdakka thankyou very much for guidance, yeah i startedn on avalon [04-Oct-21 02:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BangBogel**: @bazdakka could you tell me why [04-Oct-21 02:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: the 3 materials aren't in high demand [04-Oct-21 02:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: if you click on each materials box on the planet, you can see how you get it, what it is used for, etc [04-Oct-21 02:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: they are all tier 2 materials, most players are still tier 1 [04-Oct-21 02:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: if you want to start as a metallurgist, I'd suggest a planet with FEO or maybe ALO (not as good, though people are using it more now) [04-Oct-21 02:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BangBogel**: i see [04-Oct-21 02:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: Avalon is considered by the community as a bad start for pretty much everything [04-Oct-21 02:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: hang on, there is a good sheet I have saved somewhere with what is a start etc [04-Oct-21 02:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit PU Community Start Demand Starter planets and default companies Region,Starter,Victualler,Carbon farmer,Metallurgist,Constructor Planet,General planet notes,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long NEO Charter Exploration,Montem,Full or nearly full,Average,Average,Hi... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/A_Um5xPrpbfuDOWM6A8V3rN9H6_fTs0OJLGCdB1xKQI/https/lh6.googleusercontent.com/osarEj3napyLrYxTAaOvKNfZgz9wHJFmBcMUSwR8IbN26fFcwaiFyFUhGza1GHtLb7b5zhIhk_mvsQ%3Dw1200-h630-p [04-Oct-21 02:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: it should be noted the fuel market is over saturated at the moment, and carbon farming isn't a great start, it's a good side job, but not a good industry by itself [04-Oct-21 02:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: that being said, before you reset ( COLIQ into a new buffer) some time looking at stuff in game and figuring out how things work [04-Oct-21 02:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BangBogel**: okay thanks.... your advice is very helpfull. it looks like there is ton of theory i need to study before starting my company [04-Oct-21 02:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: also, don't start in Benton or Antares space if you can avoid it, they have poor CX problems, prices are all 20-50% higher than they should be, and money doesn't go far there [04-Oct-21 02:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: most people need to reset at least once [04-Oct-21 02:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I think I'm one of the few that didn't [04-Oct-21 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: use the time before you reset to look up the planets listed, prices at exchanges, and some possible plans [04-Oct-21 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: one of the tabs on that sheet I sent has reasons why stuff has the rating it does, use that to look at each one and make a call on it yourself [04-Oct-21 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: also, watch the video tutorials, they are a bit outdated (CXs are no longer on planets) but they still teach all the basics of the game [04-Oct-21 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BangBogel**: okay [04-Oct-21 02:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: most of the time someone in the community is happy to help, and quite a few of us keep a tab for this open in the background and check back regularly to chat, though it may take a few minutes to get a reply [04-Oct-21 04:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how happy would pioneers be on a planet with no infrastructure? [04-Oct-21 04:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***_Tech_** joined.* [04-Oct-21 04:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Assanova**: depends on the amount of bases and how filled they are [04-Oct-21 05:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Amazerx**: seems interesting [04-Oct-21 05:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Amazerx** joined.* [04-Oct-21 05:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: welcome! if you like mimn-maxing and trading and transporting/questing, this is a great place [04-Oct-21 05:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: what is lost when demolishing a building? [04-Oct-21 05:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **alxnns**: depends on how long since the building was constructed, you can see what materials you get back [04-Oct-21 06:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ha! thats interesting. ok thanks. why do my pioneers spawn immediately? I was expecting a warmup time [04-Oct-21 06:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Assanova**: if your on a well developed planet there are pioneers around to take jobs when u build a habitat for them [04-Oct-21 06:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [04-Oct-21 07:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: if I buy from a station while I dont have a warehouse, where would the items go? how long would I be able to retrieve? [04-Oct-21 07:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you get it as a contract [04-Oct-21 07:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i dont think it expires [04-Oct-21 07:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [04-Oct-21 08:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Silphait** joined.* [04-Oct-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***bitrunnr** joined.* [04-Oct-21 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: In the financial screens, current period, last period, previous period, in this case is period = 1 week? and why doesn't it just say week? Is this period configurable? [04-Oct-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It is a week. It isn't configurable. In-game FIN screens are...lacking. [04-Oct-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: it is based on a "calendar week". that way it shows when it was the last time it triggered/reset. my limited knowledge in economics say so [04-Oct-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: where are you seeing this? [04-Oct-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Trepach** deleted this message.* [04-Oct-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: finances screen includes warehouse fees; they are triggered on a calendar week. it would make sense for finaces to be as well [04-Oct-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: thanks! [04-Oct-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: I spent a few years designing and developing data vis and financial summaries for online businesses [04-Oct-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: finding it hard to switch that part of my brain off when looking at the FIN screens haha [04-Oct-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I would like to get some advice on the topic. where are tghe differences? [04-Oct-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: I'll DM you [04-Oct-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I just deleted the FIN screen, lol. Sidebar tells me how much cash I have and how much I owe [04-Oct-21 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I have 6 pending contracts, but none require cash! [04-Oct-21 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: good to know [04-Oct-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***ArtOfDao** joined.* [04-Oct-21 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lundregan** joined.* [04-Oct-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Hey :) [04-Oct-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: hi and welcome :) [04-Oct-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Hi! [04-Oct-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: What does "spread" mean in the context of the foreign exchange (e.g. for selling NCC for CIS spread: 0.3100 NCC)? [04-Oct-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Spread is the difference between the lowest ask and the highest bid [04-Oct-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Cool, got it :) [04-Oct-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Tnx! [04-Oct-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: In this case, the only ask is 1.5, and the highest bid is 1.1, hence 0.4 [04-Oct-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: np [04-Oct-21 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: So I chose Fuel Engineer and starting planet Vallis...I think that was the wrong combo :) [04-Oct-21 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: I've only been playing for like an hour..is there any way to do a reset? [04-Oct-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: coliq [04-Oct-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: COLIQ. But maybe poke around a little more to learn before doing it [04-Oct-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: So you don't end up doing it again [04-Oct-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Ah thanks. Yeah I'm using this as a learning opportunity too. There's a lot of buttons lol [04-Oct-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but once you coliq once you cant for a certain amount of time, that time inccreasing as you coliq [04-Oct-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: lol yeah [04-Oct-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: The first cooldown is 24h, I believe [04-Oct-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: But it increases rapidly [04-Oct-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Good to know [04-Oct-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ye you should even consider making a plan for your second run b4 coliq [04-Oct-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: explore for a few days [04-Oct-21 01:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lokpix** joined.* [04-Oct-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Egop348** joined.* [04-Oct-21 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Boldaer** joined.* [04-Oct-21 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Hey :) When I click on different systems on the universe map tile (MU m-NAV), there's no buffer with a system / planet window that pops up - while in the tutorial it does... Any ideas why? Fullscreen has the same issue... [04-Oct-21 05:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: The only thing that happens, is that the text next to the "Fleet" option gets highlighted [04-Oct-21 05:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Hmm when a system it pops open an MS buffer [04-Oct-21 05:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: IIRC, "MU nav" and "MU NAV" open different versions [04-Oct-21 05:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I haven't heard of that issue, though there have been a few map interaction oddities. If you haven't tried already, maybe browser refresh will help? [04-Oct-21 06:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Nope... Refreshing / reloading doesn't work. Also using different parameter variations (e.g. with or without m, small / big letters)... I can click on the base / fleet icons on my main system, as well as the exchanges, but not the systems themselves (or any other random systems)... I can open them up manually though if I enter their ID :/ [04-Oct-21 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Hope it will work eventually, as it's quite limiting to not be able to hop around on the map :) [04-Oct-21 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Might need to open up a ticket :\ [04-Oct-21 06:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @ArtOfDao: Is hardware acceleration enabled? [04-Oct-21 06:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Hm... Where can I check that? [04-Oct-21 06:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: In Chrome, it's supposedly on :) [04-Oct-21 06:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Browser settings somewhere. It's not always enabled default. [04-Oct-21 06:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Yup, checked and it's on [04-Oct-21 06:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Tried turning it off - same thing :D [04-Oct-21 06:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Hmm, weird [04-Oct-21 07:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh** joined.* [04-Oct-21 07:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh** left.* [05-Oct-21 02:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***thaelina** joined.* [05-Oct-21 03:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***_Tech_** left.* [05-Oct-21 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how can I see a player's planets or bases? what might people refer as auction to; market speculation? [05-Oct-21 05:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: what is the base heppiness with consumables covered and zero planet infrastructure? [05-Oct-21 06:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Consumables don't affect the happiness of a planetary population [05-Oct-21 06:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: But without any infrastructure, safety is 50 * # of bases / a weighted sum of the population [05-Oct-21 06:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: And then happiness is a weighted average of all the needs, averaged over 5 weeks [05-Oct-21 06:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: You can find detailed info here:https://pct.fnar.net/population-infrastructure/ {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/population-infrastructure/ Population Infrastructure - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [05-Oct-21 06:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [05-Oct-21 09:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***gavinsup** joined.* [05-Oct-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheWatchwoman** joined.* [05-Oct-21 09:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: can I hide consumables from my employees? [05-Oct-21 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ficks_Dinkum**: Only by moving them to a ship, if you have one at that location. [05-Oct-21 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: You can throw them into a hauler or a warehouse. [05-Oct-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [05-Oct-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Slomes**: thinking like a true businessman [05-Oct-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: How do I increase my company's ratings so I can use local market? [05-Oct-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Make or accept contracts, and complete them on time [05-Oct-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Many contracts allow Pending rating [05-Oct-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: You need Pro to use the local market. You can then post and accept ads [05-Oct-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Ah thank you :) [05-Oct-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: you get a Pending rating when you get Pro [05-Oct-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Oh, I see, you are U, not P, meaning not pro [05-Oct-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: /me goes pro [05-Oct-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: You can PICK UP ads when your PRO lapses (but can't place them), FYI. So if you want to pay for a single month and then not pay for a while... [05-Oct-21 10:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: pro pro tip [05-Oct-21 11:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Indeed. [05-Oct-21 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: 1 [05-Oct-21 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: that was odd, it focused my input here lol [05-Oct-21 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: 2 [05-Oct-21 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: I was in the middle of finishing a buffer command ending in 1 and it just focused here for the 1 and enter [05-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: 3 [05-Oct-21 01:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: 4 [05-Oct-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: 5 [05-Oct-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: 6 [05-Oct-21 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SR5473**: 7 [05-Oct-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: 8 [05-Oct-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Brobot9000**: 9 [05-Oct-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rain9441**: A [05-Oct-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kos7**: B [05-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: start [05-Oct-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: select [05-Oct-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***SSppaacceeBBooii** joined.* [05-Oct-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: how does it feel to have infinite lives in contra... you _cheater_? [05-Oct-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: haha [05-Oct-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It's only 30. [05-Oct-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: truth [05-Oct-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: damn how did i forget [05-Oct-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: 30's more than enough though. those games felt so big when i was a kid but when you look back on them it's like 5 short very hard levels [05-Oct-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: not just contra but lots of 8 bit era games [05-Oct-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: true. I've beaten CoD in two days, yet 20 years was not enough to beat Tank City [05-Oct-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: How does coffee and other non-essential items help a workforce? [05-Oct-21 04:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: increases efficiency, which speeds up production. the efficiency gains don't seem like all that much at small scale, especially compared to the price of the items, but they really scale up. for pioneers, PWO is pretty much always worth it, usually still worth it even at twice the current price. COF otoh is worth doing some calculations for. [05-Oct-21 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: Rain's Master Base Planner (help->handbook->wiki->community resources) does a good job of calculating it automatically. the formula is a bit arcane, but it's roughly 10% relative efficiency gain for PWO and 15% for COF -- using both takes your base efficiency to 100% [05-Oct-21 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: COF is more expensive and is consumed faster, so even though it's a bigger boost, its profitability can be iffy if your PIOs are working low profit ventures [05-Oct-21 04:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the formulas are very similar for luxuries at all worker tiers. if you need the exact calculations, your best bet is probably to ask on discord, with the official discord or the PCT discord being best (discord links also on that community resources page) [05-Oct-21 04:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Video_S** joined.* [05-Oct-21 04:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: amazing, thank you [05-Oct-21 04:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: I didn't know this guide existed [05-Oct-21 04:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sillybird** joined.* [05-Oct-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I am currently analysing consumables. considering what you pay for it and what you get, coffee gives you +15% eff over what you already have. its the least cost effective consumable. OVE is 36 times more cost effective [05-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: still, if you have the money, better with coffee than without. if you cannot afford all cnosumables, consider this: [05-Oct-21 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: COF has cost eff of 1; PWO = 2; RAT = 18; DW = 19; OVE = 36 [05-Oct-21 07:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Moral** joined.* [05-Oct-21 08:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Trepach: https://pct.fnar.net/workforce/ {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/workforce/ Workforce - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [05-Oct-21 10:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **krazykarl**: Does building decay effect efficiency? [05-Oct-21 10:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yes, though very little at first [05-Oct-21 10:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: it hits about 80% at around 90d of decay [05-Oct-21 10:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: and then really gets painful after that [05-Oct-21 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **krazykarl**: So a building at 35% is pretty inefficient [05-Oct-21 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: the wear it shows on the buildings screen is the multiplier to your efficiency, so that's really bad, yes [05-Oct-21 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: how many days is that building since it was built/last repaired? [05-Oct-21 10:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: judging by the 35% and the player's days played, i'm going to guess it was an early building that has just never been repaired [05-Oct-21 10:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i would say it'd take at least ~150d to get down that low [05-Oct-21 10:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: agreed [06-Oct-21 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **GamingForb**: Heya [06-Oct-21 04:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***JustMe** joined.* [06-Oct-21 04:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: I started production and sent a ship to CXL for food and water. That's it for today! Tomorrow i can do the same and send a ship to sell my products...that's all? A game with a lot of waiting? [06-Oct-21 04:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: and planning [06-Oct-21 04:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you need to have a plan [06-Oct-21 04:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: yes but production is a day waiting and my ship fly in one day to CXl. So what can i do more [06-Oct-21 04:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: it is better if you send your ship with stuff ready to sell... since you start with a few days worth of consumables right? [06-Oct-21 04:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can plan ahead [06-Oct-21 04:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: no only stuff to build [06-Oct-21 04:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: a lot of us here use spreadsheets / PrUn tools to plan for what we will do + pros and cons for each decidion... so that when that time comes we don't have any hestitation or second thoughts [06-Oct-21 04:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [06-Oct-21 04:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: i understand..i'm in the "start-up" mode fot now lol [06-Oct-21 04:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you should still have some consummables no? if you just started [06-Oct-21 04:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: did you empty both ships? [06-Oct-21 05:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: i have basic ration and drinking water. i guess i must use it for my workers? [06-Oct-21 05:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yes they consume those and OVE everyday [06-Oct-21 05:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: that is supposedd to last a few days [06-Oct-21 05:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: and hydrocarbon plants and water to use for production [06-Oct-21 05:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: thats all i have on my base [06-Oct-21 05:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can consider getting the inputs (if any) or materials to build another building [06-Oct-21 05:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ah you're a carbon farmer [06-Oct-21 05:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: nice [06-Oct-21 05:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: yes i guess or is it wrong? [06-Oct-21 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: do you have OVEs? [06-Oct-21 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: oh yes i have! [06-Oct-21 05:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: maybe i have a problem with the long fly-time in the game [06-Oct-21 05:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: how long is your flight to cx? [06-Oct-21 05:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: now 3 hours. bad choice og location base? [06-Oct-21 05:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: bro 3 hrs is nth [06-Oct-21 05:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i take 1 day 5hrs from verdant to moria cx [06-Oct-21 05:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: i know...i like to do something..lol [06-Oct-21 05:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what planet r u on? [06-Oct-21 05:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: Hortus [06-Oct-21 05:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: thats the system... but nvm im guessing ur on Promitor [06-Oct-21 05:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: Oh yes...Promitor [06-Oct-21 05:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: that is actually a good planet for carbon farming... high fertility and water plus close to cx [06-Oct-21 05:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: Then i'm just impatient. [06-Oct-21 05:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: once you build more FRMs you can consider a FP to make your own RAT... but right now you should pioritise a RIG to get water for your crops [06-Oct-21 05:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: yes and i guess must buy construction stuff at the CXL? [06-Oct-21 05:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: this game is more like you come online with a plan and execute it, then continue on with your day. [06-Oct-21 05:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yep [06-Oct-21 05:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can use your starting cash to buy the stuff needed for a RIG [06-Oct-21 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: i do that....thank you for the "starting workshop"!!!! [06-Oct-21 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if you have a lot left over after consumables you might consider another FRM... but do note that you need to have at least 1000ICA remaining to be safe for production fees [06-Oct-21 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: actually a lot can be found in the handbook [06-Oct-21 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/ Prosperous Universe handbook :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [06-Oct-21 05:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: read up to get a better grasp of things ye :D [06-Oct-21 05:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: i do [06-Oct-21 05:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: then... have fun! hehehe [06-Oct-21 05:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: How does percentages work for natural resources, If I was on a planet with 50% resource, would I get twice as much as a planet with 25% resource, assuming worker efficiency was the same? [06-Oct-21 06:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Huggamelulu** joined.* [06-Oct-21 06:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Huggamelulu** left.* [06-Oct-21 06:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I guess so. best way to check is this planet finder https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch?Rocky=true&Gas=true [06-Oct-21 07:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: I think. I made a mistake. [06-Oct-21 07:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Arogonus** joined.* [06-Oct-21 07:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: I'm missing a bunch of building materials because i used the upgrade system like an idiot, is there a way to get those back? [06-Oct-21 07:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I'm new. try recycling a building. what did you upgrade? [06-Oct-21 07:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: HQ...and it's not even upgraded...I just assigned the materials. [06-Oct-21 07:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: Eh, I can still build an extractor. [06-Oct-21 07:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: Can you drag the slider back to zero [06-Oct-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: not sure if you can unassign matterials. HQ upg is for much later [06-Oct-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: If you are in a real pickle, you can restart easy enough with COLIQ, but wait for someone more experieced to maybe help ya get the stuff out? [06-Oct-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: Hm. I can sell ore, so maybe I can just BUY the material. [06-Oct-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Argogonus: Yup, you made a irreversible mistake. [06-Oct-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: Hell yeah. [06-Oct-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: I'd just COLIQ and start over. Stay away from HQ pane for now :-) [06-Oct-21 07:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: No shame in COLIQ. I've done it twice...and I knew what I was doing. [06-Oct-21 07:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: Here I go again on my own. . . [06-Oct-21 07:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: hey, you are not on your own. its full of friends here [06-Oct-21 07:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Obvious Whitesnake reference :-) [06-Oct-21 07:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ah [06-Oct-21 07:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: mind that products are gotten after the whole batch finishes. you retrieve all matts from resetting a batch [06-Oct-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Arogonus** left.* [06-Oct-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sheiphtu** joined.* [06-Oct-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Arogonus** joined.* [06-Oct-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***danleyb2** joined.* [06-Oct-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: Feel it's probably still more efficient to go through the waiting period? If I'm not trying to rush. [06-Oct-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: yeah, everything rounds against you if you cancel [06-Oct-21 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: what do you mean? other than spent time, what is lost by canceling? [06-Oct-21 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: you get back the supplies, except what you used, and that rounds against you, so down [06-Oct-21 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: and you get what you finished, productwise, rounded down [06-Oct-21 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: the rounding vanishes [06-Oct-21 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: is anything used in a canceled batch? [06-Oct-21 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: ^ I could cancel an extractor easy, not a smelter. [06-Oct-21 07:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: yes, it uses a fraction that's related to how complete it was [06-Oct-21 07:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Arogonus**: I think my best course of action is just to wait and stockpile. Send a ship to nearest station to grab rations and things that are essential. [06-Oct-21 07:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: hmm. maybe you are right. how can we check whats returned? like a proportional fraction? [06-Oct-21 07:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ok, thanks. mind that workforce is much more efficient when eating and consuming. we start with a few days of rations and zero non essential consumables [06-Oct-21 07:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: if you're 25% done, you get 25% of the product, rounded down, could easily round to zero, and 75% of the materials, and 75% of the tax [06-Oct-21 07:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: all rounding against you [06-Oct-21 07:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: thanks you! proportional losses make sense. you might want to send a ship to get clothes soon. fuel can be expensive [06-Oct-21 07:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: is there a way to find locations with a local market? [06-Oct-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @trepach: https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch [06-Oct-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: There's a checkbox [06-Oct-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [06-Oct-21 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***quitescrumptious** joined.* [06-Oct-21 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: If i put down on a new planet with zero population, would i need to build planetary projects to get pioneers, or could i get some anyways? [06-Oct-21 08:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: 200 prisoneers land with you [06-Oct-21 08:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: last question for today, anyway I can play on mobile, cannot seem to load it, even if I request desktop site [06-Oct-21 08:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: oh, it works for me with android/chrome [06-Oct-21 08:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: might be a browser thing [06-Oct-21 08:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: iphone chrome gives me a blank page after login [06-Oct-21 08:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: Safari is the same (to be expected as they use the same HMTL renderer) [06-Oct-21 08:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Mobile WebKit (which all iOS browsers are forced to use) is the new IE6. The game doesn't support it. [06-Oct-21 08:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: Pixel 6 comes out soon ;) [06-Oct-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: installed remote desktop on the iphone, now off to the basement to get the pin code to access router settings to forward the port [06-Oct-21 09:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: remote desktop off iphone works fine (if a little extreme) [06-Oct-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **thaelina**: Is there a way to copy a screen layout? [06-Oct-21 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @thaelina: Not currently. [06-Oct-21 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **thaelina**: Or do I have to copy it by hand? Im trying to make the same layout to monitor each CX [06-Oct-21 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **thaelina**: Thanks [06-Oct-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **thaelina**: Followupo question, does the game work fine if i have it open in multiple browser windows? [06-Oct-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @thaelina, yes! But I have found it starts to slow down my browser a bit. [06-Oct-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: maybe on the(new) screen, every tile is alighned [06-Oct-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **thaelina**: Awesome, thanks for the help guys [06-Oct-21 10:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: If you don't have a map or a PLI buffer up, it shouldn't slow down things too much. [06-Oct-21 10:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yeah, map kills it XD [06-Oct-21 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Thor124**: Now I am puzzelled! Why are there 1/3 permits at each base. Can I use to a permit to expand the 'used area' on the planet? [06-Oct-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: So, you can either spend a permit to settle a new planet with 500 area, or you expand an existing base by 250 area (up to a maximum of +500 area) for a HQ permit. [06-Oct-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Thor124**: OK, Good to know [06-Oct-21 11:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Frankwater0522** joined.* [06-Oct-21 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***LiMuBai** joined.* [06-Oct-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***LiMuBai** left.* [06-Oct-21 02:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***URMOM** joined.* [06-Oct-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Raistling** joined.* [06-Oct-21 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Goresh**: How do you spend the permit to grow a base? [06-Oct-21 04:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Go to the BS buffer and then click the ADD button next to the base you want to grow [06-Oct-21 04:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Goresh**: Thanks. I would never have found it there. [06-Oct-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: No problemo! [06-Oct-21 04:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: is there a setting to have my ships dump their cargo into my base if there's room for it when they arrive? [06-Oct-21 04:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: or do buildings pull needed supplies from ships as well as the base storage? [06-Oct-21 04:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: no, currently you must always manually drag and drop to base inventory [06-Oct-21 04:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: and buildings only pull from base storage [06-Oct-21 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: afraid of that :( i'll only be 8 hours late dumping my water at the base :( [06-Oct-21 04:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: not pulling from ships make sense, would hate to have some luxury consumables that I wanted to sell get pulled for production use [06-Oct-21 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***wellhell0there** joined.* [06-Oct-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **nesta**: Do I lose the product I bought from the market if I haven't rented a warehouse nor not yet have a ship docked there? [06-Oct-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kinnduu**: no [06-Oct-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kinnduu**: its in ur LMOS [06-Oct-21 07:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: CONT* If it's CX [06-Oct-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **nesta**: thank you! [06-Oct-21 10:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **thaelina**: Is ECD used for anything? [06-Oct-21 10:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: not yet, and no way to get it yet [07-Oct-21 01:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Schlaumeier22** joined.* [07-Oct-21 01:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Hey :) [07-Oct-21 01:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Is there a sheet somewhere, similar to the FIO public data import one, that has the up to date info on exchange rates? [07-Oct-21 01:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: currency exchange rates? FX [07-Oct-21 01:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Yup - I mean in a Google Sheet format :) [07-Oct-21 01:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Can't find it here (community resources): https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [07-Oct-21 01:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtOfDao**: Asking as I'd like to avoid manually typing the current rates in my sheet... [07-Oct-21 02:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ah... sorry can't help then, i'm don't really look at/ use the exchange rates [07-Oct-21 03:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Quilker**: What's the number in brackets next to the current workforce? [07-Oct-21 03:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: thats how much there is aviable [07-Oct-21 03:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Quilker**: ah like available workforce [07-Oct-21 03:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Quilker**: so if it says (20), that means if I build a new building, I will only get 20 of those workers? [07-Oct-21 03:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ah no thats only in the construct screen, in the base screen (20) means youve got 20 new for that workforce [07-Oct-21 03:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Quilker**: ohhh [07-Oct-21 03:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: so if you got from 400 to 500 it will be 500 (100) [07-Oct-21 03:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Quilker**: i see, thanks! [07-Oct-21 03:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: np [07-Oct-21 04:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: Hi. I bought products in the local CXL according to the handbook...but nothing else is there. But when will i really have the stuff? i understand that the seller must respond. But what does "filled" mean and where are the products? I have a warehouse and there is nothing on the LMOS contracts. Please help [07-Oct-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: use command CONT since im assuming you dont have a ship at the cx to collect the items you bought [07-Oct-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: it became a pickup contract [07-Oct-21 04:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you could also click 'CONT' at the left side and it will open a buffer [07-Oct-21 04:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: i have a ship at the cxl and there is nothing at contracts..funny [07-Oct-21 04:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: have the goods gone into your ship's cargo? [07-Oct-21 04:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: or the warehouse [07-Oct-21 04:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: but i bought it with "warehouse sending" ..so it sent to there i guess? [07-Oct-21 04:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ye [07-Oct-21 04:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: both nothing [07-Oct-21 04:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if you got a notification that your order is filled, it would become either pickup contract or transfered to an inventory that you have at the cx [07-Oct-21 05:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: you can check CXOS and see that you ordered it at the cx you thought you did, or if it hasn't actually filled maybe? [07-Oct-21 05:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: he asked what does 'filled' mean so i initiallly thought that his order was already filled [07-Oct-21 05:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: yeah, just guessing what else it could be if it's not where it should be [07-Oct-21 05:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: true [07-Oct-21 05:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Borisgaming** joined.* [07-Oct-21 05:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Phamtom_idyet**: How much water can a Rig extract? Without the experts. [07-Oct-21 05:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: depends on the planet [07-Oct-21 06:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Forseral**: @Phamtom_idyet: Resource extraction is based on the building type, resource richness of the planet, and satisfaction level of the workers. [07-Oct-21 07:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: This morning it was filled...but nothing in "store" of my warehouse. There was an notification. But now!...its really in my warehouse. Maybe a bug with filled [07-Oct-21 07:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JustMe**: Don't matter. I have it..and fly to my base with it. Thanks all!! [07-Oct-21 09:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how does building type matter? is there a chice among buildings? does planet infrastructure and HQ speciality help? does experts help? [07-Oct-21 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Opopanax**: Yes? Building type basically controls what type of population you can have (pioneers, settlers etc), what you can extract from the plant, and what you can make out of materials [07-Oct-21 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Opopanax**: Planet Infrastructure can provide bonuses for certain things - for example give you an efficiency bonus to manufacturing. And experts can do something similar for the field they're an expert on [07-Oct-21 09:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how many buildings can affect differently water extraction rate? [07-Oct-21 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: @Phantom_idyet for a more concrete answer, the planet finder show resource gather rates https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch?Resources=O&Fertile=true&COGC=true&WAR=true&Rocky=true [07-Oct-21 09:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***nicknack** joined.* [07-Oct-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Frankwater0522** left.* [07-Oct-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: I'm trying to post a shipment ad 8 H from BEN -> Katoa but the "post" button doens't do anything. Is the ad too small maybe? [07-Oct-21 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Opopanax**: Did you pay for the premium? local market is only available for premium users to post ads. If you have been a premium user at one point and stop paying, you are allowed to accept ads but not post htem [07-Oct-21 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: @bitrunnr one of the inputs might be invalid, this happens to me sometimes when I type in H but don't click Hydrogen in the dropdown [07-Oct-21 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: afaik, H is invalid, it's gotta be the whole word [07-Oct-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: same for the origin/destination, might be worth checking over those [07-Oct-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @bitrunnr that happens when I forget to select the currency type, as well [07-Oct-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: hm that might have been it [07-Oct-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: nvm i just horribly typoed [07-Oct-21 11:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: okay good now, it was the H :) [07-Oct-21 11:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how can I see where a player is based on? [07-Oct-21 11:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://rest.fnar.net/planet/companysearch/TRE [07-Oct-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: UI friendly: https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/view-company [07-Oct-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty. how can i find where planet Valliis is? [07-Oct-21 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ficks_Dinkum**: Click on "MAP" in the left menu bar. Open new buffer, type PLI, press enter. Type "Vallis", press enter. Click on Vallis. Click on "SYSI - System information" at the top. Mouse over the name "Moria - Vallis". Vallis's system will be highlighted in the map. Click on that system. Zoom in or out until you see Vallis. [07-Oct-21 11:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ficks_Dinkum**: They should really come up with a better way of finding planets in the map though. [07-Oct-21 11:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [07-Oct-21 12:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***celim** joined.* [07-Oct-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: as a new player (fuel engineer) should i be at all concerned about anything besides my starting buildings (collector/extractor, refinery)? [07-Oct-21 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: You'll want to factor in the consumables for your workers (DW, RAT, OVE) [07-Oct-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: perfect thank you :) [07-Oct-21 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: You'll be looking at .04 DW and RAT / Pioneer / Day and .005152 OVE / Pioneer / Day [07-Oct-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: šŸ‘ [07-Oct-21 06:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Teeriak** joined.* [07-Oct-21 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: woah apex just asked to access VR privileges...what's that about? [07-Oct-21 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: wat? Probably a bug [07-Oct-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: definitely odd, haven't seen it before. am now playing on a pc with oculus stuff installed though [07-Oct-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: i might plug in my oculus later and just see what hapens :) [07-Oct-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: so what happens if I cancel a warehouse unit that has stuff in it? [07-Oct-21 07:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: It's locked and inaccessible, but not lost [07-Oct-21 07:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: so it doesn't turn into a shipping contract? [07-Oct-21 09:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LAUZBOT**: Under the base overview buffer, there's the "Current Workforce" column. For me, it says 180 (30) . What's the (30) trying to tell me? [07-Oct-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#my-workforce-says-something-like-180-40-what-does-the-number-in-brackets-mean {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [08-Oct-21 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **turtrlec1**: What do I do [08-Oct-21 04:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ficks_Dinkum**: Follow the tutorials to get some production going at your base. [08-Oct-21 04:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***turtrlec1** joined.* [08-Oct-21 07:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Arogonus** left.* [08-Oct-21 10:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lilshimmy3** joined.* [08-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Sheiphtu**: Is there a significant increase in productivity from additional satisfaction? If I bring home some COF and PWO will it make much difference? [08-Oct-21 11:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: My production for NUT dropped by about 6 hours when I started using COF and PWO [08-Oct-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @sheiphtu if you look at your current pioneer satisfaction, (~76%?) it would be 100% with both luxuries. PWO is very cheap, you should get that. COF is not always worth it. [08-Oct-21 12:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Sheiphtu**: Thanks for the advice. I will pick some up when I resupply. [08-Oct-21 12:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: luxury is a good way to increase all your production. only drawback is if you cant cover the basics. if thats the case, here is the cost effectiveness of consumables [08-Oct-21 12:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: COF 1; PWO 2; RAT 23; DW 19; OVE 36 [08-Oct-21 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***longshlong69** joined.* [08-Oct-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: does mass impact fuel usage? [08-Oct-21 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Negligible if at all, if you're talking flying with a full cargo hold versus empty. [08-Oct-21 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: yeah [08-Oct-21 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: thanks :) [08-Oct-21 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: The heavy stuff in this game is already pretty punishing without needing extra fuel to haul it [08-Oct-21 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: what I hear that impacts mileage is planet movement and distance . Also there is an exploit to use FTL instead of STL [08-Oct-21 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I too was surprised at the complexity and fuel costs of space travel. gives much more purpose and importance of logistics [08-Oct-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: 02 [08-Oct-21 10:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ceocyn** joined.* [08-Oct-21 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***StolenDreams** joined.* [09-Oct-21 02:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Popilis** joined.* [09-Oct-21 04:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IshNarGarn**: hi, is there a ressource where i can find out the material requirements for HQ upgrade (beyond the next lvl)? [09-Oct-21 04:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ HQ - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [09-Oct-21 04:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IshNarGarn**: ty m8 :-) [09-Oct-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IshNarGarn**: this is exactly what i was looking for :-) [09-Oct-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: it gets pretty crazy in the higher tiers [09-Oct-21 04:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IshNarGarn**: i c, but atm i plan to ship my 1st two upgrades, and i hate to realize that i have to send another ship because i forgot sth :D [09-Oct-21 04:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Tutel** joined.* [09-Oct-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***JustMe** left.* [09-Oct-21 12:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Prometheus600** joined.* [09-Oct-21 04:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: question question what do the bars (Red,green, and grey) mean in the commodity charts [09-Oct-21 04:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: They're candle stick charts. The horizontal axis is time. A red bar started somewhere and ended lower for the time segment. Green it ended higher [09-Oct-21 05:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: grey happens when it starts and ends the same, but had no higher or lower trade in the bar either [09-Oct-21 05:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: usually no trades at all [09-Oct-21 05:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: Ok [09-Oct-21 05:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: I see that there are also grey bars on the bottom of these charts [09-Oct-21 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: Do they have to do with the number of sales? [09-Oct-21 05:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: yep exactly, that's a bar graph for volume in the bar, [09-Oct-21 05:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: Ty <3 [09-Oct-21 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **opie**: what does it mean when you attempt to fulfill a delivery and it hangs on "fulfillment attempted" [09-Oct-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **opie**: does that mean that their warehouse is too f ull? [09-Oct-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: They didn't have space for it [09-Oct-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: PM them [09-Oct-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: or if they're a new player, they might not even have known they needed to rent one (if at the CX) [09-Oct-21 07:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yeah, if it's at a CX [09-Oct-21 07:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Most new players won't have managed to fill their CM's storag [09-Oct-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: hi [09-Oct-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: hello [09-Oct-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: I just created a new company, and I'm already stuck on the 1st tutorial objective :/ [09-Oct-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: base building [09-Oct-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: I selected random plot on my planet and build base, but I'm not sure what to do next [09-Oct-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: are you on the next step 'inventoy transfer'? [09-Oct-21 07:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: nope. that's still greyed out and base building is highlighted [09-Oct-21 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you clicked on build base already right? [09-Oct-21 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: yes [09-Oct-21 07:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: I have a buffer open with workforce info on it and on another buffer I have base construction with storage locations and site highlighted [09-Oct-21 07:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: says something about a transponder code, but idk what that means or if I need that at this step [09-Oct-21 07:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you can see a workforce buffer, I think that means your base is built. If you click BS on the left side, does it show your base listed? [09-Oct-21 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: yup. I have the option to view base and change permits. No idea what that 2nd thing is for either [09-Oct-21 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: ok. So next step is to move everything from your ship cargo bays into the base inventory. Then you can use that stuff to build [09-Oct-21 08:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: ok. I dragged every resource I have except fuel into my inventory buffer [09-Oct-21 08:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: what happens next? [09-Oct-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: From the HELP menu (top right), after Inventory Transfer comes Building Construction. There is a link above that about "building recommendations" - you should probably build those buildings [09-Oct-21 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: building recommendations link works, but inventory transfer and building construction are both greyed out and unlickable for me [09-Oct-21 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: unclickable* [09-Oct-21 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: could you try refreshing browser, see if that gets it unstuck [09-Oct-21 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: refreshed, and help menu is still the same [09-Oct-21 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: buffers are gone, but I assume thats how its supposed to work [09-Oct-21 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that sucks. Sorry that's happening. I haven't heard of that before. [09-Oct-21 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Yeah, buffers are temporary if you don't put them in tiles. [09-Oct-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: All the links in that help menu do is open things you can get to via other means, so you can just use it as a checklist. [09-Oct-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: maybe creating a new company will fix it? [09-Oct-21 08:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: It probably would, yeah. If you want to do that, you can open a NEW BFR and type COLIQ. Then confirm, and refresh browser [09-Oct-21 08:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: ok, thank you. I will try the tutorial again with a new company in a few min [09-Oct-21 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arkell**: ayy! It worked this time! thank you :) [09-Oct-21 08:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yay! Welcome to the game, btw. Sorry for the hiccup :) [09-Oct-21 08:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Arkell** joined.* [09-Oct-21 08:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***oifdsih** joined.* [09-Oct-21 10:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***zzaqd** joined.* [10-Oct-21 02:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***InfaAlt** joined.* [10-Oct-21 06:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***sander732** joined.* [10-Oct-21 07:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***SierraCharlie** joined.* [10-Oct-21 07:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: Is it reasonable to buy only basic overalls to upkeep the workforce in order to invest in more materials for production lines? 7 DW and RAT are needed every day, which is 840 AIC daily for me. [10-Oct-21 07:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ficks_Dinkum**: If you don't supply all three of DW + RAT + OVE, then your production efficiency will suffer a lot. Whether this is reasonable is up to you. [10-Oct-21 07:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: Ok [10-Oct-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: To second that opinion, always feed your pioneers at least RAT, DW, and OVE. Probably PWO too. The hit to efficiency isn't worth it. [10-Oct-21 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***FenrisDE** joined.* [10-Oct-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ^ [10-Oct-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: need RAT DW and OVE [10-Oct-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: anything less and you're production time takes considerably longer [10-Oct-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: if cost effectiveness of COF is 1, then PWO = 2; DW = 30; RAT = 30; OVE = 45 [10-Oct-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Crushinskiy** joined.* [10-Oct-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Tango2K** joined.* [10-Oct-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how can I find where a planet is? [10-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: open the system info screen (SYSI ) then hover mouse over any planet listed and it will get highlighted on map [10-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: so my home planet is JS-299a, so I'd go SYSI JS-299 [10-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how can I find system code of a planet name? Avalon isnt showing in SYSI [10-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: PLI and search [10-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Avalon is vh-331g tho [10-Oct-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty all [10-Oct-21 04:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: What is a T1 planet? I'm assuming that they are the starter planets. But then what planets would be T2, T3, etc? [10-Oct-21 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: Tier one planets are just settlable with just MGC added to the building's cost. [10-Oct-21 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: Tier 2 is basic gas giants(AEF) and SEA(low pressure) [10-Oct-21 04:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: Tier 3 is Cold planets(INS), and High pressure(HSE) [10-Oct-21 04:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: Tier 4 is high-temp(TSH) [10-Oct-21 05:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: Ok ty [10-Oct-21 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SpaceWalrus**: how do i open up my warehouse buffer? can't seem to find the items i bought at the station [10-Oct-21 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SpaceWalrus**: found it using INV cmd [10-Oct-21 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mobompa** joined.* [10-Oct-21 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***AntuanTr** joined.* [10-Oct-21 07:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: If I buy PRO, upgrade my HQ past 5 (lv6, lv7, etc), will the expiration of PRO cause my HQ to temporarily downgrade until I get access to PRO again? (Most recent built bases and extra queue slots being disabled) Or will I keep the benefits I achieved with PRO? [10-Oct-21 07:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I don't think anyone but the devs know that at the moment. Speculation is that you wouldn't lose control of those extra bases, you just couldn't build any more. And if you freed some up, you'd lose them until you got Pro again. But we don't really know. [10-Oct-21 08:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: I know that if you have ads up on a LM and your pro expires, then you lose your ads. I also know that if you were gifted pro and then it expires then your ratings revert to U, but if you renew pro then your ratings go back to what they were. So the hq downgrading until you renew is certainly a possibility [10-Oct-21 09:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: ok [11-Oct-21 12:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***ZenPU** joined.* [11-Oct-21 12:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: Hi I just started this game buying some workforce required products. Do I just buy everything from the market atm? [11-Oct-21 12:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it looks like you bought a supporter package, which means you should have access to the local markets as well. open your planet's info and click on 'local market' to see the listings; you want 'selling' for folks selling things. otherwise, yeah, unless you make it yourself, you'd buy it from the cx [11-Oct-21 12:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: thanks. trying to grasp whats what atm! [11-Oct-21 12:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: np! best knowledge comes from the tutorial vids, then from reading the handbook (special mention to the handbook->wiki->faq and ->community resources pages) [11-Oct-21 12:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: after that, asking questions here, in global chat, or on discords is the best way to go [11-Oct-21 01:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: thanks just going through all the tutorial atm. I'm an agriculture company I already have the default 2 farmstead and an Incinerator any other essential buildings I would need? thanks a lot this game is amazing haha [11-Oct-21 01:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Depends where you are and what you want to do with your farming products [11-Oct-21 01:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Oh and there is always demand for shipping... [11-Oct-21 01:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: If you dont need your ships. There is lots of contracts mainly at the exchange waitng and sitting [11-Oct-21 01:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yea how you grow is dependent on your play style... you can build up on what you start with or go into different industries [11-Oct-21 01:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: like for example i started off as a victualler making RAT and DW but am now going a little into carbon farming because I have a use for carbon in my future plans... [11-Oct-21 01:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: I see sorry looking more into this. [11-Oct-21 02:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: for your first week probably should just increase your production? maybe use your starting maount to build more FRMs and another INC, and make sure your workers have the basic RAT, DW and OVE because not having those decrease efficiency by a lot [11-Oct-21 02:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: do make sure you have ~1000 remaing for production fees on your planet [11-Oct-21 02:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: I filed for bankruptcy and started again [11-Oct-21 02:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: I'm a Victualler now [11-Oct-21 02:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: okay looking into expanding now [11-Oct-21 03:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Video_S**: how does selling goods at the requests price work? do you just put them on there for that price and are they sold automatically? [11-Oct-21 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: if you want to sell something that is the ask amount so for how much you want to sell your product [11-Oct-21 04:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: if there is a bid amount for the amount of money you are willing to sell it gets soild instantly [11-Oct-21 04:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: if there is no bid matching your ask than it gets put from your ship into the cxl [11-Oct-21 04:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: there it will be in the list of orders [11-Oct-21 04:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: until someone is paying the amount you are asking [11-Oct-21 04:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Video_S**: ah super helpful, thanks a lot! [11-Oct-21 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: First day here. so I bought enough to make 3 farmstead, 1 food Processor, 1 Rig and 1 Incinerator. Will I have a population issue? [11-Oct-21 05:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: can I just build another pioneer Habitation? trying to at least self sustain and not file for bankruptcy the next day haha [11-Oct-21 05:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: your workforce capacity must be more than or equal to the number of workers you require [11-Oct-21 05:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: not sure which planet you're on but make sure you still have ~1000 to pay for production fees over a few days [11-Oct-21 05:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: owh no :< I'll cut down the Farmstead first then. trying to make RAT [11-Oct-21 05:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if you're making RAT, you don't really have to build an INC right as you start [11-Oct-21 05:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: because unless you're using the one ingredient recipe, INCs use up a decent amount of crops for input [11-Oct-21 05:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: it is better to have extra input (crops like GRN/BEA/anything from a FRM) than have missing input in example FP or INC [11-Oct-21 05:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: oh i see, will do that then thanks a lot [11-Oct-21 05:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: oh rip forgot to buy water -.- water output only 2units for 8hr? [11-Oct-21 05:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: depends on which planet you're on [11-Oct-21 05:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if you're on a planet with low concentration then you're not gonna get that many units of water per day using the rig as other planets with higher concentration [11-Oct-21 06:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ZenPU**: owh I'm in MONTEM [11-Oct-21 06:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: on montem you can extract ~7.7 units of h2o per day assuming production efficiency of 100% [11-Oct-21 06:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch?Resources=H2O&Fertile=true&Rocky=true [11-Oct-21 06:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lockdown** joined.* [11-Oct-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***raxkin** joined.* [11-Oct-21 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Savoian**: is it just me having a very slow interface? and slowing even more as long as I play? [11-Oct-21 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#im-missing-a-lot-of-information-from-my-map-and-apex-is-really-slow-why {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [11-Oct-21 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Savoian**: you Sir are a gentleman and a scholar [11-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Savoian**: unfortunately hardware acceleration is enabled :-( [11-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Just get rid of MU NAV tile then, for now. What browser/OS/GPU? [11-Oct-21 11:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Both map and PLI buffers--should probably get rid of those. After that, refresh and it should be snappy. [11-Oct-21 11:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Savoian**: Firefox, Windows 7, NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 1030 [11-Oct-21 11:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Savoian**: how do I get rid of MU NAV? [11-Oct-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Mouse over gear -> Click X [11-Oct-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: (top-right of the universe map tile) [11-Oct-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Savoian**: ok done [11-Oct-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Savoian**: faster now [11-Oct-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Give it a refresh, it should be better. [11-Oct-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Savoian**: cheers [11-Oct-21 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: On a newly settled planet will settlers (not just pioneers) migrate in beginning week2 to fill available jobs or does it take longer? [11-Oct-21 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: i.e. I built barracks (HBB) and Metalist Studio (FS). Will I get the 50 settlers I need at the next population report or do I have to wait for them to educate up from pioneers? [11-Oct-21 04:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Each POPR, migration will be assessed based in part on open jobs. So if you leave settler jobs open all week, that will pull some number of settlers from offworld, and education [11-Oct-21 04:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Not sure of the equations, but I wouldn't bet on getting all 50 the first POPR [11-Oct-21 04:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Thanks. Just trying to get a sense if it will be closer to 2 weeks or 2 months. [11-Oct-21 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Are there any factors that affect migration other than those mentioned in the handbook (happiness, safety, health, etc)? For example, do things like the type of planet, distance from other pouplated planets, etc. play a role? [11-Oct-21 04:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Not that I know of [11-Oct-21 04:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: You mentioned leaving settler jobs open all week. Does it make a difference if the FS was built at the beginning of the week or a few minutes before the POPR? [11-Oct-21 04:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I believe it is averaged, yes [11-Oct-21 04:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Ok. That is good to know. Thanks. [11-Oct-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ellevol** joined.* [11-Oct-21 10:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: how do you find a specific planet on the universe map? [11-Oct-21 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: One way, from the planet info screen, is to open System Information (SYSI, link along top of PLI). Then, with the map open, hover your mouse over any of the planets listed in SYSI [11-Oct-21 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Or, if you already have the planet code you're interested in, you can go straight there by leaving off the letter at the end to make it a system code. In a new buffer, SYSI [11-Oct-21 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: i have the planet info up, im trying to find where the planet is in the universe MU NAV [11-Oct-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: bring up system info next [11-Oct-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: ok [11-Oct-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You could search using Prosperity: https://prosperity-prun.netlify.app/ {Embed} https://prosperity-prun.netlify.app/ Prosperity The state of being prosperous. The companion app for companies in Prosperous Universe. [11-Oct-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: then as you hover over the planets, the system will highlight on the map [11-Oct-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: ah! [11-Oct-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: there it is [11-Oct-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: thanks [12-Oct-21 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Trepach** deleted this message.* [12-Oct-21 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: hi all! when I press it, a contract fulfill button is stuck at gray processing. when I refresh the tile, it does the same. any ideas? [12-Oct-21 04:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what kind of contract you fulfilling? [12-Oct-21 04:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: shipment. only the last step is pending [12-Oct-21 04:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: refresh and try again. if it doesnt work check if the person you shipping the load for is online and ask if they have storage space at the planet [12-Oct-21 04:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: will try. I thought limited storage would return another type of error. at least wont keep me responsible [12-Oct-21 04:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: also check if the ship carrying the cargo is on the correct planet... from experience i accidentally flew to the wrong planet in the same system before so :p [12-Oct-21 04:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yea if no space the error would be fulfillment attempted or smth like that [12-Oct-21 04:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but since yours is just processing there's no real telling what error it is [12-Oct-21 04:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: its exactly fulfillment attempted. makes some sense. would the button be green if I am on the wrong planet? [12-Oct-21 04:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: nope [12-Oct-21 04:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: so now its fulfillment attempted? [12-Oct-21 04:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: thank you! would I be responsible if the buyer has no space and decides to liquidate the contract? would I get to keep the cargo/materials? [12-Oct-21 04:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: tbh not sure... im not the most experienced player here :p [12-Oct-21 04:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but have you messaged the other player? the best would probably be if they free up some space and let you fulfill your end [12-Oct-21 04:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Sorry about that! I emptied the WAR on the wrong planet [12-Oct-21 04:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: but yes - if for whatever reason the shipper attempts delivery and it fails - if the contract expires you keep cargo [12-Oct-21 04:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: It'll auto unpack once you let contract lapse [12-Oct-21 04:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: *I've never experienced this - only been told via my Corp* [12-Oct-21 04:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: glad things worked out at least [12-Oct-21 05:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Why would I use PG to make DW, it makes less water than without, but I guess it doesn't "waste" any water [12-Oct-21 05:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I asked the same thing lol. I believe it's for worlds that don't have good H2O extraction. Give them an alternative [12-Oct-21 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Cool cool :) TY [12-Oct-21 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: do pops on low pressure planets need something additional or is just destorying the ship faster? [12-Oct-21 05:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/building-costs/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/building-costs/ Building costs :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [12-Oct-21 05:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: scroll to atmospheric pressure [12-Oct-21 05:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: oooooh i thought that was only for buildings [12-Oct-21 05:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: other than buildings, i don't know of a penalty [12-Oct-21 05:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: theres a penalty for ships trying to land on gaseous planets - is that what you're talking of? [12-Oct-21 06:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: i thought that High-Oxygen Breathable Liquid (BL) is a consumable [12-Oct-21 06:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: because of the high pressure but you only need to do it once [12-Oct-21 06:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: i understood i wrong [12-Oct-21 06:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: @Rwinner16 hey, mate, no worries! things like that make the game stand out and be interesting. I have nothing against you; I was just curious how the contracts work. no pressure [12-Oct-21 06:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I just had to manually try again and its all good now. thank you for your business! [12-Oct-21 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: making DW out of PG is much more profitable. even on one of the best H2O planets in the galaxy. or just calculate the prices and decide. if you integrate H2O into DW, its still more profitable to use PG and sell excess water. if you lack H2O, bys it and still use PG. as far as I see, more complicated recipe variants are more profitable than their simpler counterparts [12-Oct-21 08:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Trepach PG recipe takes twice as long. [12-Oct-21 08:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: so? [12-Oct-21 08:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: So, with all things in this game, "it depends" [12-Oct-21 08:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I agree it takes long. its stiill more profitable in any situation [12-Oct-21 08:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: If you have a rig on a high-output planet, using PG recipe would mean you have serious excess H2O. [12-Oct-21 08:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Agree to disagree then. Keep in mind shipping constraints. [12-Oct-21 08:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: eans serious income from CX sales. yes, you are right about shipping constraints. these might change the situation [12-Oct-21 08:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: which also applies to making the more efficient recipe for DW. shipping constraints apply both to H2O and DW. whichever you sell. [12-Oct-21 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: How much can you scale H2O sales before you exceed demand? [12-Oct-21 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how much can you scale anything before you exceed demand? [12-Oct-21 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I'm going with time as the biggest limiting factor, so a recipe that is 2x fast wins in most cases [12-Oct-21 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: Infinite! I will induce demand with low prices! [12-Oct-21 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: @Rwinner ngl depends on factors like if you buy the h2o to make dw... you wld want to use pg so that you get more worth from the h2o [12-Oct-21 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Whatever theoretical supply = demand maximum you want to achieve, time and base area are the biggest constraints [12-Oct-21 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: we are talking which DW recipe is more profitable per time. both have shipping constraints. small DW recipe is not faster. its smaller - in smaller batches/more often. PG DW recipe gives more money/water per time spent. if we factor pop consumption, small recipe is at a loss; big recipe is at a profit [12-Oct-21 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: and workers population on the planet :p [12-Oct-21 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: Warpstreetbets haha funny guy [12-Oct-21 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: With my current choices - 10H2 + PG = 10 DW at 6.5hrs(rough). OR 10H2 = 7DW in exactly half time. [12-Oct-21 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: that gap widens as my efficiency grows [12-Oct-21 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: reminds me of this joke. one economist says: partner, we're losing 5 cents per sale. the other - dont worry, we will compensate with quantity [12-Oct-21 08:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: hehe [12-Oct-21 08:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: Rwinner, I agree it makes more water per time. in almost all of the recipes in the game, this is a good thing. not when ingredients are worth more than the product. how about you factor in ingredients (if you want even population consumption) as well as you have factored in product output? then we can talk again [12-Oct-21 08:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: unless your part of thte galaxy has different prices on materials. I work with Benten CX prices. you? [12-Oct-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: we both live in BEN sector. experts and efficiency do increase the gap. one of the recipes is at a los. using more efficiency increases that loss [12-Oct-21 08:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I guess I'm confused. How is 10*25 more than 7 * 50 [12-Oct-21 08:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: You make less but have a better profit per DW you make [12-Oct-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I get math, I'm trying to understand how it's a "loss". Less profit isn't a loss [12-Oct-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: let me try. to make DW, you need H2O. H2O you pay is greater than DW you get. you lose money for each DW you make on the small recipe [12-Oct-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: The cost on H2O you have on non PG, is much higher than the PG one [12-Oct-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: paying more money than you get is a loss [12-Oct-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: TheChaosPilot gets it [12-Oct-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: With my basic calc. My H2O cost without PG is almost double compared to the PG one [12-Oct-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: small recipe has too expensive of ingredients. so much so, its operating at a loss. the big recipe is slower, but efficient enough to give you profit [12-Oct-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: hehehe.... my brain not working yeeee [12-Oct-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yea but if your rigs pump a lot of water though its a little diff story no? [12-Oct-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Yes Trepach, according to my calculations at least [12-Oct-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: if people only look out output, they can say:"producing more = more profit". when people account for ingredients, they say:"one recipe is at a loss, the other at profit" [12-Oct-21 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Well on Verdant/Moria, I get a profit out of both but more with PG usage [12-Oct-21 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: thank you for supporting. I would like to know when I am mistaken, so I can correct [12-Oct-21 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Me too, I am not always correct [12-Oct-21 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: hahaha [12-Oct-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: ;) [12-Oct-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: wheee... i be learning things [12-Oct-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: yeey, I'm helping! so happy the community is full of smart and respectable people [12-Oct-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: I am just glad we all are here to help eachother not to fuck each other over. I bet that time will come if the game fills up with people [12-Oct-21 08:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Hopefully not [12-Oct-21 08:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: I agree [12-Oct-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: damn... dont wanna be enemies [12-Oct-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: hmm, I too hope it remains fun. the biggest factor is, do we have a bigger reason to collaborate than a reason to compete [12-Oct-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I came to make friends, not enemies [12-Oct-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: The long term outcome for collaboration is always higher [12-Oct-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: I am helping a person with transporting stuff, since one of my ships is not in use atm, and I get some profit from it [12-Oct-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: there is this online game that with one simple change turned its community from friendly to toxic and friendly again. it temporarily made resource gathering non-shareable(first come gets it). [12-Oct-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: @Woden true for people with many repeatable interactions. for random player encounters, it depends on the game setting [12-Oct-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: how come sometimes my ship can fit 5000 dw and sometimes only 4999 [12-Oct-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: bug [12-Oct-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Temprature? Hmmmm hehe [12-Oct-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: offload all DW back to war, load "max" back to ship [12-Oct-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***JustMe** joined.* [12-Oct-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: @Trepach that is true, but currently the way this game is set up, you can only really communicate over the ingame chats, which always includes a lot of spectators [12-Oct-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Oh and, ofc, player to player [12-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: I dunno, maybe the reliablity guage in the ratings will mostly prevent people acting too counter intuitive [12-Oct-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Time will tell [12-Oct-21 12:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: @Woden reliability rating, but also word of mouth. Many of the players are on various discord servers and communicate daily. I expect the rumors would spread quickly [12-Oct-21 12:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i think the warning via discord is bigger than the mere rating hit [12-Oct-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: And no one will invite you to any good dinner parties. [12-Oct-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Yeah, that last one is gonna hurt, and I forgot the discords [12-Oct-21 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: Woden, I agree. having reliability rating, looks like devs are trying to encourage friendly atmosphere [12-Oct-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Yerdna**: i just purchased some items on the exchange and arrived there with my fleet. how do i pick up the items? [12-Oct-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: hit "CONT" on left sidebar [12-Oct-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: click on cont in question to view details and pick up [12-Oct-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Yerdna**: just press the FULFILL button? [12-Oct-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: yeah, on line item says to pickup assets [12-Oct-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Yerdna**: thank you [12-Oct-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: np [12-Oct-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Yerdna** joined.* [12-Oct-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Automorphism** joined.* [12-Oct-21 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Diokana**: If you remove an active expert do you keep it or does it go away? [12-Oct-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you keep it [12-Oct-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can freely unassign and reassign experts as much as you like [12-Oct-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Diokana**: awesome [12-Oct-21 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nurudin**: Hello, Does anyone know at what time of day the workforce needs consumption occurs? I'm assuming it's based on a specific server time? [12-Oct-21 07:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://pct.fnar.net/workforce/#consumption {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/workforce/ Workforce - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [12-Oct-21 07:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nurudin**: thanks [13-Oct-21 03:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Hey, for the new community event: Is it possible to create a new base if you dont have a ship at a place but only rented a warehouse ? [13-Oct-21 03:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I suppose theroyically, but you would need to get the prefabs to build the core module of a base there in the first place [13-Oct-21 03:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: or buy them there, or use shipping contracts [13-Oct-21 04:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Just asking. So 1 ship may bring stuff for 2 or 3 players base without the need of having 3 ships at a place [13-Oct-21 05:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: pretty much, though the quantity needed per base would make it pretty hard for 1 ship to carry more than a couple of bases (assuming they wanted any buildings and starting supplies (consumables and input materials for first production runs) [13-Oct-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: you would need to ensure there is a local market on the planet [13-Oct-21 07:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: the local market ad could also be on the planet they start the travel from, with the destination as the planet for the event. dont need local market at the destination. [13-Oct-21 07:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but yea need local market somewhere to make the ads [13-Oct-21 07:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: warehouse, not lm [13-Oct-21 08:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: true... but in their qn they already pointed out renting a warehouse unit so assumptions made that there is already a warehouse [13-Oct-21 08:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***darkrounge** joined.* [13-Oct-21 09:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **GreenGem**: hello people [13-Oct-21 09:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Hi @GreenGem [13-Oct-21 09:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **GreenGem**: how to build a base i cant because game says i havent got enough materials [13-Oct-21 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: you have to move it from your ship to your base [13-Oct-21 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: oh sorry - you can only build a base on whatever planet your ships are currently stationed at that have the materials in them [13-Oct-21 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: then to make any future buildings, you'll have to offload your ship inventory to the base inv [13-Oct-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***GreenGem** joined.* [13-Oct-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **GreenGem**: did it got a base but it takes so long to make resources? [13-Oct-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Yeppers, it's a real time based game [13-Oct-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **GreenGem**: ok thank you [13-Oct-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***sander732** left.* [13-Oct-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***sarca92** joined.* [13-Oct-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***sarca92** left.* [13-Oct-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **sarca92**: Hello there, I'm a new player. How can I bring pioneers or other type of people in my company ? [13-Oct-21 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: give them jobs [13-Oct-21 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: start a working building that uses pioneers they will come [13-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: assuming you have the habs to house them, and the RAT/DW/OVE to keep them fed and clothed [13-Oct-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **sarca92**: So they will automatically come if I build the specific habitation ? [13-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: the HAB1 will house them, but without the jobs they wont come, [13-Oct-21 11:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **sarca92**: Ok thx. [13-Oct-21 11:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: I dont know what your doing, I use farms/rigs to keep them in work [13-Oct-21 11:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **sarca92**: Yes I have pioneers and they are working, I was wondering for the future when I will construct new buildings. [13-Oct-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: ah, as long as you keep enough habs, and RAT and stuff for the extra buildings, yes they will come [13-Oct-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **sarca92**: Ok [13-Oct-21 12:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***sarca92** joined.* [13-Oct-21 12:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***NebulaNeos** joined.* [13-Oct-21 12:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***NebulaNeos** left.* [13-Oct-21 12:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***NebulaNeos** joined.* [13-Oct-21 12:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***420Princess** joined.* [13-Oct-21 12:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Marhipolito** joined.* [13-Oct-21 12:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Marhipolito** left.* [13-Oct-21 12:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sarca92**: How do you hire experts ? [13-Oct-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Saganaki** deleted this message.* [13-Oct-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/#expert-spawn-rates--bonuses {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/ Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [13-Oct-21 01:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Montem** joined.* [13-Oct-21 01:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sarca92**: Ok thx. [13-Oct-21 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***joshuatee** joined.* [13-Oct-21 02:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Marhipolito** joined.* [13-Oct-21 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Enth** joined.* [13-Oct-21 04:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***hunwyn** joined.* [13-Oct-21 05:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***kn03o69SpMrj** joined.* [13-Oct-21 05:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Playright** joined.* [13-Oct-21 05:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***SpaceCommunist** joined.* [13-Oct-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***devron** joined.* [13-Oct-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***devron** left.* [13-Oct-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***devron** joined.* [13-Oct-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***devron** left.* [13-Oct-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***lenapa** joined.* [13-Oct-21 10:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: I feel like Manufacturer is a more difficult initial start because you don't produce anything and if you run out of credits you're kind of out of luck right? [13-Oct-21 10:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***hunwyn** left.* [13-Oct-21 10:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***hunwyn** joined.* [13-Oct-21 10:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **meatloafmafia**: yes it is [13-Oct-21 10:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **meatloafmafia**: i found it to be anyway [13-Oct-21 10:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **meatloafmafia**: i tried a more manufacturing start twice and yeah, you have to be mindful of the necessities as well as your inputs to manufacture or you can quickly get stuck. I restarted with more of an agri build and other than my initial purchase of overalls I was self-sufficient almost immediately [14-Oct-21 12:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DukeBad** left.* [14-Oct-21 12:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DukeBad** joined.* [14-Oct-21 04:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Bwumpo** joined.* [14-Oct-21 07:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Frenhil** joined.* [14-Oct-21 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: i'm not sure i understand why i would need settlers and when i would need them? [14-Oct-21 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nodka**: settlers are "tier 2" if pioneers are "tier 1". You would need them for more advanced buildings [14-Oct-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Okay I see now. I didn't notice the "workforce" requirement for buildings until you said that :) [14-Oct-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: i'm def still tier 1 lol [14-Oct-21 10:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: shoot i do need settler hab T_T [14-Oct-21 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Madnewmy**: HB2 are cheap enough its not too bad [14-Oct-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: /me needs moar money [14-Oct-21 11:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: have you tried hitting your workers to make them go faster? [14-Oct-21 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Neralath**: is there a way do dump cargo?:D [14-Oct-21 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Neralath**: cant but the last 1 ff fueld into the tank for some reason and need to pick up a full contract cargo [14-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you on a planet with a lm? put up a sell order for that one ff unit for cheaper [14-Oct-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if the person you made contract with is online, ask them to buy from you so that hopefully no need to wait [14-Oct-21 12:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ficks_Dinkum**: Drag the FF from your fuel tank to your cargo, then back from cargo to fuel tank. Then it might all fit. [14-Oct-21 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Neralath**: thanks will give it a go [14-Oct-21 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: Is there a easy window for "Your Drinking water will last X days with your current supply and consumption" or is that just another bit of math to add to my spreadsheet? [14-Oct-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: I believe there is a extension for chrome that calculates it for you [14-Oct-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: https://fio.fnar.net/ [14-Oct-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: I think its this [14-Oct-21 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I've also heard people talk about prunner for that kind of thing, though I don't use it myself [14-Oct-21 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @hunwyn: If you have any questions about FIO, don't hesitate to ask. [14-Oct-21 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: I THINK there's an inconsistency in the documentation, but my understanding of base permits isn't clear. Does a base permit expand the space of an existing base for more buildings? [14-Oct-21 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: "Upgrading your HQ grants you one of two things: Most levels grant you an additional base permit (beyond the 2 you start with), so you can found more bases. Levels 5, 10, 13, 16, 18 and 20 grant you additional queue slots to make managing your production queues easier." [14-Oct-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: You get to choose. Starting a new base requires 1 permit and gives you 500 area on another planet. [14-Oct-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Expanding an existing base only gives you +250 area for 1 permit, but is easier to capitalize on experts and shipping, etc [14-Oct-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: It doesn't indicate that in the copy above. [14-Oct-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: Elsewhere under "Area Expansion": "Later in the game, upgrading your Headquarters will give you access to additional base permits. You can use those to build new bases or invest them into your existing bases to expand their available building area. " [14-Oct-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: Is there somewhere else still that specifically indicates +250 area, or is that a "for one to discover" variable? [14-Oct-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Fair enough, though strictly speaking it's only talking about what upgrading an HQ does in that first quote, not how to use the base permits. Though, it's a related question, so it coudl be clearer [14-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I haven't seen anything in-game that calls it out except by doing it. [14-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: It only says, "so you can found more bases" in the first quote. [14-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: It's a very new feature [14-Oct-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I didn't read carefully enough. You're right, it should include a comment about expanding base area if it's going to say "found more bases" [14-Oct-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: Yes, I'm suspecting that the first passage hasn't been updated. @Molp @devs [14-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I think the best place to get their attention for info is on the forums, though the wiki is editable by the community if you request access. [14-Oct-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: Good point [14-Oct-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: I like this feature, especially as we get to engineers and scientists, because many of us started on a rapidly developing planet in a system with a CX, and those will be the first to develop high-end infrastructure. As we build out to extract materials we will eventually want our engineers and scientists on the oldest/developed planets, and expand our footprint instead of replacing farms and extractors. [14-Oct-21 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-vegas-**: wee wagliuu [14-Oct-21 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-vegas-**: come si gioca? [14-Oct-21 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-vegas-**: hola soy nuevo, come se juega? [14-Oct-21 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-vegas-**: Hi, I'm a noob. Is there a teacher? [14-Oct-21 04:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***-vegas-** joined.* [14-Oct-21 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: hi and welcome! this game is full of smart and helpful people. since those are away, may I help? [14-Oct-21 04:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Don't be intimidated by the tutorial videos or handbook guide. They are really worth following. [14-Oct-21 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: I could help you with tutorial or extra info, if you'd like [14-Oct-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AussieSpaceman**: so when i want to ship something (say some RATs and DW) to the CX, does the weight of what i am shipping affect how much fuel is used?, i presume so but im not sure [14-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: yes [14-Oct-21 04:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: not sure how that works myself, but you are limited by the weight, and the volume as well. [14-Oct-21 04:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: if it helps, turn the slider to the left to change the fuel used, and wait till the cx and the planets your coming from are closer together too. [14-Oct-21 04:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: people say its negligible. its costly but it donesnt matter if its heavy. in fact - the hevier it is, the more worth is the travel. tip: go as slow as possible; as full as possible; possibly only speed up to save 12 hours [14-Oct-21 05:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AussieSpaceman**: thank you [14-Oct-21 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: hola vegas [14-Oct-21 07:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***IzuyaHanabe** joined.* [14-Oct-21 07:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***StephanieDiamond** joined.* [14-Oct-21 08:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***tywjohn** joined.* [14-Oct-21 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MM97**: How do you change the selling price of item at an exchange? [14-Oct-21 08:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: CXOS, cancel the listing, and relist at the new price [14-Oct-21 08:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you need to have a ship there or rent a warehouse to temporarily store the goods in between [14-Oct-21 08:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: "delete" the listing [14-Oct-21 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MM97**: Thanks, my whole operation is shutdown rn while I wait for someone to buy my carbon so I can get some more Drinking water... [14-Oct-21 11:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: Where you at, MM97? 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[15-Oct-21 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can cycle them [15-Oct-21 09:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yes, a recurring order is requeued at the bottom when it is started by a building [15-Oct-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: many thanks [15-Oct-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***KMan69** joined.* [15-Oct-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Oakwood** joined.* [15-Oct-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Neralath**: can some 1 explain what benefits do u get in a Corporation?:D [15-Oct-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Most members in corporations work out deals for materials with each other that are typically better than you would find on the CXs and LMs. But they are usually brokered through the LMs, so Pro or at the very least Basic licenses would be required in order to take advantage of those deals. There's also a Corporate HQ production bonus of 10% if you have a base on the planet that the Corp's HQ is on. But the planet has to be outside of faction space. Other than that, it's just another social aspect of the game. There are more plans for corporations in the future though. [15-Oct-21 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: excellent synopsis :) [15-Oct-21 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: :D thank you! [15-Oct-21 03:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: Good to know [15-Oct-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: Do you lose rating if you don't fulfill a contract with a liquidated counterparty? [15-Oct-21 03:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: where i can find a good base planner for a new base?? [15-Oct-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: @mjewkes idk, but i doubt it [15-Oct-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: @Kaygran check out the help->handbook->wiki->community resources page -- tons of good stuff. i'd personally recommend rain's master base planner with FIO or the Prunner app [15-Oct-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Neralath**: @AceXephon Thanks [15-Oct-21 03:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: @mjewkes If the liquidated counterparty didn't fulfill their side of the contract it won't affect you [15-Oct-21 04:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: @Narhoxide I believe it may, if you were responsible for the next step. But don't quote me on that. [15-Oct-21 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rek** left.* [15-Oct-21 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: does anyone knows how can i repair my ships?? [15-Oct-21 04:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: need BHP [15-Oct-21 04:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: You need the right item (BHP usually) and then when you open the SHP window for your ship, there is a repair button at the bottom [15-Oct-21 04:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Goresh**: You can only repair the ship at one of your bases [15-Oct-21 05:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: I thought I read in the chat once that it had to be repaired at a shipyard, but that could've been misinformation [15-Oct-21 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Goresh**: I have repaired ships at my base previously. I am not even sure where the shipyards are. [15-Oct-21 05:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Goresh**: You need a shipyard to BUILD a ship. [15-Oct-21 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: thx for the info :) [15-Oct-21 05:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: You cannot repair at a shipyard planet unless you have a base there. The BHP also has to be in your base inventory and not the ships cargo bay [15-Oct-21 05:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **A_Tasty_Pastry**: I started metallurgy but it seems that all the settler buildings for mettalurgy have no demand for any of their products. I don't really want to switch to construction but that seems like the only products that are really in demand, and adjacent to my FE production [15-Oct-21 05:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **A_Tasty_Pastry**: It is also not worth it to import ALO and make AL [15-Oct-21 06:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: A_Tasty_Pastry - FS is metallurgy and you can sell UTS [15-Oct-21 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: If you're on a high iron planet and specialize metallurgy, UTS is not bad. [15-Oct-21 06:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: SFK/MFK are not bad either, but you wont be able to produce them full time - not a huge amount of demand [15-Oct-21 06:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: SME/FS are a nice synergy honestly. [15-Oct-21 06:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: Kiruna (XH-594b) or Vallis are good options for that strategy [15-Oct-21 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: It looks like Kiruna might specialize in metallurgy, so that's not at all a bad options [15-Oct-21 06:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***devron** joined.* [15-Oct-21 07:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: i understand this may be an option outside the game, but is there a way to consolidate interests? E.g. consolidate fuel refining efforts, ration provisioning, etc? [15-Oct-21 08:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Corps [15-Oct-21 08:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: oh duh :) [15-Oct-21 08:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: thanks [16-Oct-21 03:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Tom_of_Mars** joined.* [16-Oct-21 06:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: how many contracts do i have to fullfill until i get a rating [16-Oct-21 06:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: I remember it clicking in around ten to a dozen contracts [16-Oct-21 06:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: somewhere [16-Oct-21 07:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: oki thx ... a few more then i guess [16-Oct-21 07:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ye i got after 10 -12 idk i did a whole lot of shipping contracts at once and got the rating after less than 2 days iirc [16-Oct-21 10:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: is there a com channel for stations? [16-Oct-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: like what do u mean? [16-Oct-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: like benten or whatever? [16-Oct-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: yeah [16-Oct-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: like there's a channel for planets, just curious if there's one for stations tyoo [16-Oct-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: not that I know of [16-Oct-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Most people don't stay at the stations long. What exactly are you trying to find out about on the stations? Shipping contracts/ [16-Oct-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Most stations have a "central" planet that is really the main hub of the sector. [16-Oct-21 11:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: good point yeah [16-Oct-21 11:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: and yeah it would be contracts and local market [16-Oct-21 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: i guess i could just DM :) [16-Oct-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: you'll really want to join the https://fio.fnar.net/ [16-Oct-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: that will have fairly updated contracts for shipping [16-Oct-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: overall a good resource. [16-Oct-21 11:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: https://discord.gg/w9mbnMp8 [16-Oct-21 11:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: If you use discord - that is a good hub of everything PrUn [16-Oct-21 12:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Is there a minimum usage for consumables? For example, Exoskeleton is 0.5 units/day for 100 settlers. If I only have 10 settlers will it consume 0.05/day or is 0.5 the minimum? [16-Oct-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: No minimum. 1 will disappear immediately, but then it will last a long time [16-Oct-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Ok. Thanks. Just colonized a new planet so will take a while to bring in enough settlers to fill the production line. [16-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***DubhAingeal** joined.* [16-Oct-21 04:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Darquesse** joined.* [16-Oct-21 04:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***User_Not_Found** joined.* [16-Oct-21 04:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Inukshuk** joined.* [16-Oct-21 05:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: how can I test a theoretical trip? [16-Oct-21 05:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: use BLU and the create default blueprint, then test and set the origin and destination [16-Oct-21 05:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: ty [16-Oct-21 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***jedinat** joined.* [16-Oct-21 11:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***MoDi** joined.* [17-Oct-21 02:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **User_Not_Found**: I just bought something in the Antares Station, Where is it? I want to put it in my ship and take it home [17-Oct-21 02:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: if you had storage there when you brought it at CX, it will auto go into that, if not, it will have made a contract (CONT into a buffer to see them) for you to pick it up once you have storage there, note, storage can include a ship visiting [17-Oct-21 03:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **User_Not_Found**: Why is it telling me I don't have permission to buy something outside the broker's price band when it's inside the price band? [17-Oct-21 03:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **User_Not_Found**: Trying to buy BTA for 1,222.00, and the price band is 500 / 1,600. What am I doing wrong? [17-Oct-21 03:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **User_Not_Found**: The tutorial video on trading didn't explain what price bands were, this is not helpful [17-Oct-21 03:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Trimble** joined.* [17-Oct-21 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SierraCharlie**: in my workforce overview, in current workforce column, it says "210 (50)", what does the 50 means ? I have 3 HB1 and 300 capacity [17-Oct-21 04:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the amount you added since last population report [17-Oct-21 04:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SierraCharlie**: OK thanks [17-Oct-21 04:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it can get kind of complex depending on the population requirement and the availability on the planet, but for pioneers and settlers on inhabited worlds you should get all the workers you need [17-Oct-21 04:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SierraCharlie**: yes it seems all required positions are filled :) [17-Oct-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: does anyone knows how can i repair my ship?? [17-Oct-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Honestly I don't know. I think you have to load the materials onto the cargo and go to a ship dock? [17-Oct-21 10:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: Only heard it second had, but get the mats it wants and you do it at your base [17-Oct-21 10:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: second hand [17-Oct-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: The WIKI on PrUn says you have to go to the SHP command [17-Oct-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: yeah i open it i have the materials in my base and my ship is orbiting my base [17-Oct-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: beside the CMD is the repair button but its red [17-Oct-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Then I assume the ship either has to be landed, or the materials in the carg [17-Oct-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: i try also in the cargo bay nothing ;( [17-Oct-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: i try to restart the browser and nothing [17-Oct-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: is there a minimun damage threshold or something like that?? [17-Oct-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I don't believe so. I thin you need to land the ship [17-Oct-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: yeah i also tried that nothing :( dont know maybe is a bug or something i can wait im at 93% damage i read it will star flying slowly below 80% [17-Oct-21 10:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Im asking on discord [17-Oct-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: ok thx man [17-Oct-21 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: landed at a planet with a base. supplies at base, not cargo hold [17-Oct-21 11:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: if that doesnt work, idk [17-Oct-21 11:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: Thx rwinner [17-Oct-21 11:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: i doesnt work but ey i still can fly :) [17-Oct-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***billybobmxb** joined.* [17-Oct-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: How is exploration done? I saw the main page advertise that, but I'm yet to find that [17-Oct-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Bugleberry** joined.* [17-Oct-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: I'm not certain, but it may be built around being first to colonize planets [17-Oct-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: I see [17-Oct-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: It'd be nice if the game had a surveying aspect or something [17-Oct-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: I really don't want combat :( [17-Oct-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: I think that would be really hard to do with this game tbh [17-Oct-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: But surveying would be neat. I'd love it if you could invest "planetary projects" that increase the availability of resources (or maybe occasionally discover a new one) - they could balance it by having the availabitliy of resources decay a bit week over week [17-Oct-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: I mean, maybe not combat per se, but supplying a "faction" or something similar with weapons, munitions, fuel, etc, and it would have an actual impact on the universe. [17-Oct-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Yeah, increasing the resources would be a nice goal to sort of work with the co-op feel of the game [17-Oct-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Also I just bought a lot of fuel for no reason. [17-Oct-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: lol [17-Oct-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: i can sell you a lot of fuel for no reason ;D [17-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: @Bugleberry you can def resell that if you no longer need it. Fuel is always needed :) [17-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: needed in the market* [17-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Yeah I thought my ships had only the fuel in the cargohold, it turns out it's already fueled to the brim. [17-Oct-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: I guess I can pick up more water then. [17-Oct-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Is it possible to go bankrupt? [17-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: kind of, but not really? You might be out of money, but you should have your starting buildings and your ships to generate some kind of income to get you going again [17-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: but if you mean bankrupt as in to restart - open a buffer and type in COLIQ [17-Oct-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Yeah, I did things wrong [17-Oct-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Might as well restart [17-Oct-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Since I'm not losing anything [17-Oct-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dekthro** joined.* [17-Oct-21 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Horrific**: Can I raise a Military? [17-Oct-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Horrific** joined.* [17-Oct-21 03:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: thats horrific [17-Oct-21 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Dekthro**: can i not manufacture on a free account? [17-Oct-21 03:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: You can, you can do pretty much everything except use local markets. What are you trying to do? [17-Oct-21 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Dekthro**: produce a new order [17-Oct-21 04:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kovus**: @Horrific: nope, no military operations in the game. [17-Oct-21 04:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: even then, if you buy and let premium expire, you can accept local market ads [17-Oct-21 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: @Horrific no military, but you can still make enemies ;) [17-Oct-21 06:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dekthra** joined.* [17-Oct-21 07:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **devron**: Hello! In which time zone close the day in PrUn? [17-Oct-21 07:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: the FIN data just rolled over, so maybe 45 min ago? [17-Oct-21 07:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: but what are you specifically interested in? [17-Oct-21 08:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **devron**: the UTC time when the game is reset. For knows when the pioneers consumes DW or RAT. [17-Oct-21 08:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **devron**: for example, at 00:00 UTC all pioneers, settlers, etc, consumes DW, RAT, OVE, etc [17-Oct-21 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: Assuming that Zizzleswomp is right on how the FIN data rollover was 45 minutes before his message was posted, the workforce consumption of consumables is 12 AM UTC I think? [17-Oct-21 08:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: IIRC consumption is 24hr after the previous, so it's different for each base? [17-Oct-21 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: There are a bunch of rules, such as building a building triggers a tick, and some other things. But it's definitely not synced between bases [18-Oct-21 12:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: any population change triggers all upkeep for the base, resetting the 24h clock to that time, and applying any remaining amount from your last upkeep. also if you were out of an upkeep item or supply it for the first time, that item's upkeep will trigger when it is supplied, and can be out of sync with the rest of upkeep. all upkeeps trigger when the planet's population report is released every week, so your upkeeps are synced to that time generally and will stay that way util you change population or supply something that had been missing. [18-Oct-21 07:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://pct.fnar.net/workforce/#consumption {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/workforce/ Workforce - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [18-Oct-21 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***okin444444** joined.* [18-Oct-21 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***okin444444** left.* [18-Oct-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***ClutchWardog** joined.* [18-Oct-21 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: I'm trying to sell a product that I have in my warehouse in the station, but when I try to sell it, I get a "Please provide a storage location" error, but the dropdown for storage location is greyed out and non-interactable? [18-Oct-21 11:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Just to confirm: You're trying to sell to the correct CX? [18-Oct-21 11:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: the warehouse your goods are in is at the cx? [18-Oct-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: yes [18-Oct-21 12:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kathens** left.* [18-Oct-21 12:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yo i got a qn... if the shipping contract i already pressed fulfilled at the destination with the package gone from the cargoand the status says in progress how long more will it take to be fulfilled? [18-Oct-21 12:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **koccs**: how could we fly in space FTL but not able to divide H2O to H and O? [18-Oct-21 12:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: it has been like 7hrs since i pressed the fulfill button and the button is gone but the timer is still going down... didnt realise this was happening until i was checking through all my contracts [18-Oct-21 12:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: wait no it has been like 5-6hrs mb... but still... the contract has 13hrs left and idk what to do [18-Oct-21 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Are you waiting on your partner in the contract to fulfil their section? The stuff they would need to do would be in red [18-Oct-21 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: nope [18-Oct-21 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: im the one delivering [18-Oct-21 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: its the last step to deliver at the destination for me... [18-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Im not sure, but do you need a warehouse or base on the planet to deliver? [18-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: normally it goes straight to fulfill when i delivery but it says in progress... [18-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: nope [18-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Or maybe they dont have space at their location? [18-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: that wld say fulfillment attempted not in progress [18-Oct-21 12:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Im not sure then tbh. Hopefully someone smarter than I will know [18-Oct-21 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: wait nvm [18-Oct-21 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i logged out and logged back in 3 times... that solveed it or smth [18-Oct-21 12:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: thanks btw for the replies :D [18-Oct-21 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Is there a way to predict natural resource extraction rate before constructing a rig? [18-Oct-21 12:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch should tell you. I believe the numbers are the extraction rates at 100% efficiency [18-Oct-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can adjust the efficiency there to reflect what your rate wld be [18-Oct-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dekthra** deleted this message.* [18-Oct-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Dekthra**: What is the difference between a Local Market, and the Chamber of Global Commerce? [18-Oct-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: A local market is where player can sell, buy, or ship goods locally without having to go through a commodity exchange. The COGC has different programs that can provide boosts for different expertise or population type [18-Oct-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Is the POPR generated at a fixed time of day? I colonized a planet last week at 11am and I noticed that the POPR came out at 6am today. [18-Oct-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: It's shifted by a random amount. So that when the universe started, all the planets were a bit out of sync and didn't crash the servers. [18-Oct-21 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: We used to run into the servers crashing when PoPR's came out last universe [18-Oct-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Each planet is shifted by a different amount. [18-Oct-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: But that planet remains consistent. [18-Oct-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***costijud** joined.* [18-Oct-21 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***VIRUSorNO** joined.* [18-Oct-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **StephanieDiamond**: Hi, I have a question. How do I temporarily disable a building to free up my workers? [18-Oct-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **StephanieDiamond**: IE: I have two smelters and I only want one active. [18-Oct-21 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: If you go under your production line and then details, you can cancel a current order in one of the slots. If you have any queued orders, it will start working on that though [18-Oct-21 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Im not sure you can actually disable it [18-Oct-21 05:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can remove all consumables (say, to a ship in orbit), but that will halt all workers of that type [18-Oct-21 05:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: otherwise, you can tear the building down [18-Oct-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **StephanieDiamond**: Well, I guess I'll just run one order at a time for a bit then. Thanks tho [18-Oct-21 06:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Yogitus**: is the price limit on a CXL order per unit or total for the quantity? [18-Oct-21 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: unit [18-Oct-21 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **WarpstreetBets**: local markets are total for the ad [18-Oct-21 07:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SpaceWalrus**: wow pretty dumb that a shipment goes into the warehouse instead of a ship [18-Oct-21 07:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SpaceWalrus**: rip contract [18-Oct-21 07:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SpaceWalrus**: lose rating for 5 aic [18-Oct-21 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @spacewalrus they may extend rather than lose the shipment, especially if you contact them [18-Oct-21 09:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***XerWolf** joined.* [18-Oct-21 10:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Halfchampion**: Hello people [18-Oct-21 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Halfchampion** joined.* [18-Oct-21 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***a_lonely_soul** joined.* [18-Oct-21 11:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***XerWolf** left.* [18-Oct-21 11:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***XerWolf** joined.* [19-Oct-21 01:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **StelioKontos**: Hey :-) [19-Oct-21 04:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheChaosPilot** deleted this message.* [19-Oct-21 04:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Hey. I am producing some RAT and DW with three food processors. I have three RAT and three DW in production/que. But sometimes, one gets changed by the other, and I might have 4 RAT and two DW in prod\que. Why does this happen? I have enough raw material to keep producing [19-Oct-21 04:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Do you have them all on auto renew? [19-Oct-21 04:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Jupp [19-Oct-21 04:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: All are recurring [19-Oct-21 05:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: That's why. [19-Oct-21 05:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: It's an issue with how the game processes recurring orders [19-Oct-21 05:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: If it's a known issue, I will not ask more about it :) [19-Oct-21 06:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***kubanecz** joined.* [19-Oct-21 08:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***LuckLiffy** joined.* [19-Oct-21 08:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***LuckLiffy** left.* [19-Oct-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TheChaosPilot @Rwinner16: There shouldn't be any issues that I'm aware of there. It should sync up correctly AFAIK. Do you have them stagged by chance? Maybe it's due to DW recipe being faster than RAT? [19-Oct-21 09:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Stagged = Staggered* [19-Oct-21 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: how do i cancel a trade at the finance centers? [19-Oct-21 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: FXOS [19-Oct-21 09:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: (Similarly, CXOS and LMOS exist) [19-Oct-21 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: thanks [19-Oct-21 09:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Yogitus**: @WarpstreetBets Thank you! [19-Oct-21 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: @[FIOP] Saganaki, I have three RAT and DW in que. Sometimes I have 4 DW and 2 RAT, or 4 RAT and 2 DW. [19-Oct-21 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Its what I see. But if you say it's no bug there. [19-Oct-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: I'll keep an extra eye on it when I log on every time [19-Oct-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: I dont have the same problem with my Farmstead [19-Oct-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TheChaosPilot: Are they set to be complete at the exact same time? [19-Oct-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Also: you only have 5 queue slots. [19-Oct-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: So you can't have 3 RAT & 3 DW. [19-Oct-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***collot999** deleted this message.* [19-Oct-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***collot999** deleted this message.* [19-Oct-21 11:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: At what point do you get a stability rating? [19-Oct-21 11:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: a week from when you got pro [19-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TrueDahaka** joined.* [19-Oct-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TrueDahaka**: how do I see what I chose at the start ? [19-Oct-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TrueDahaka**: as in, what profession ? [19-Oct-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TrueDahaka: Type "HELP" in new buffer. [19-Oct-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TrueDahaka**: HELP [19-Oct-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Go to "Building recommendations" section. It'll say there. [19-Oct-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: NEW BFR (bottom left) -> Type "HELP" -> Hit Enter [19-Oct-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TrueDahaka**: yeah I saw that, but as the game bombarded me with walls of texts, i forgot what package I selected... [19-Oct-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TrueDahaka**: so how ca I see my profile? package, faction, whatnot ? [19-Oct-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TrueDahaka**: I had no ideea when I started that this matters so much... [19-Oct-21 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: the text blurb under building recommendations says [19-Oct-21 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TrueDahaka**: yeah forget it...thanks [19-Oct-21 11:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: for faction, you can click on your name here in chat and then click on your company name [19-Oct-21 01:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: are there any guides or such that go over gameplay concepts. not like the tutorial videos about how you do stuff but what you should be doing as such [19-Oct-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @coraxwolf: So, as with all things in this game, "it depends" [19-Oct-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Looks like you're on Montem, I presume smelting? [19-Oct-21 01:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: feel like I am stuck at the start. making iron and trying to sell it. can barely keep basic supplies up [19-Oct-21 01:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @coraxwolf: What buildings do you have? [19-Oct-21 01:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: just the extractor and smelter that i started with ... think it's 2 extractors and one smelter you start with [19-Oct-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: guess it's only one of each [19-Oct-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: So you're buying O & C from CX and making FE to sell back to CX? [19-Oct-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: that was how i started, with flux. now I am extracting limestone and buysing ore, flux, carbon, and oxygen to smelt iron and selling iron and limestone [19-Oct-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: See if FLX is worthwhile to purchase as well. Potentially also look and see if it's worthwhile to ship FE to HRT to sell and then buy consumables with the proceeds--that's an option (I have no idea how well it sells, but I know DW/RAT is super cheap there). [19-Oct-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: am I right in thinking that when supply exceeds demand that the price goes down and selling is harder? [19-Oct-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: I presume you're running your haulers with almost minimum fuel burn as well? You can also look at timing your trips so that the planets align better for faster/cheaper flights. [19-Oct-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: You can sell your FF if you're staying in system... [19-Oct-21 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: tried a trade in antraes that used up all of my FF to get there and back [19-Oct-21 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Gotcha. Well, you could try one of the sheets to see what's best. [19-Oct-21 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: I'd give this a shot: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LZLOTlF76M5MlSNZZ4Trft1qVUz3-wF8Z9l4761BWo0/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LZLOTlF76M5MlSNZZ4Trft1qVUz3-wF8Z9l4761BWo0/edit?usp=sharing Master Base Planner v2.0e x FIO Base Planner Planet,VH-331a,VERSION 2.0e,HELP / INFO - HOVER HERE,Habitation,INFO Fertility Bonus,12.00%,Count,Habitation,Area,Pioneer,Settler,Technician,Engineer,Scientist,Total Price Source,NC1-avg INFO RESOURCES,Planet,Resource,Type,Conc,u/day,0,CM,25,0 RIG,VH-331a,H2O,LIQUID,52%,36.40,HBB,1... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YyR83bcfZl5Upba78eV11P9MmN1uuUg-cs-PbsBJkz4/https/lh4.googleusercontent.com/RryVOjdiXc--q_ViJA2FMdX6Q4bnpbzcMBY81Ar20BTnDEt2p2LZNWuX50nCnZzr6xjgkMyvkhbKvw%3Dw1200-h630-p [19-Oct-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: what sheets? [19-Oct-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: ah [19-Oct-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: And we're back. @coraxwolf, more resources here: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [19-Oct-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: took me forever to reconnect :( [19-Oct-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: can you copy from chat? [19-Oct-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Click and hold, control-C. [19-Oct-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: (or you can click -> control-click the "open" button) [19-Oct-21 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: ah I see thansk [19-Oct-21 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: if I follow the base builder then I should start making money [19-Oct-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: PRUNner is a "better UI" equivalent of rain's sheet, fwiw. [19-Oct-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It's a native app, and has stuff you can save, etc. [19-Oct-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Raute** joined.* [19-Oct-21 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: At what point do I need to concern myself with repairing damage to my buildings? Currently they are at 99.99% condition so i assume they dont need to be fixed [19-Oct-21 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: around the 90 day mark [19-Oct-21 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: not sure which % is best [19-Oct-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Thank you [19-Oct-21 03:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BoomstickAlex** joined.* [19-Oct-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***IAreATomKs** joined.* [19-Oct-21 04:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BoomstickAlex** left.* [19-Oct-21 04:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BoomstickAlex** joined.* [19-Oct-21 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mathieu74** joined.* [19-Oct-21 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mathieu74** left.* [19-Oct-21 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mathieu74** joined.* [19-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: Playing with multiple accounts isn't allowed right? [19-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Correct. [19-Oct-21 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Steffstoff** joined.* [19-Oct-21 07:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***-JettLagg-** joined.* [19-Oct-21 07:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: hello [19-Oct-21 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: welcome to the game! [19-Oct-21 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: tysm [19-Oct-21 07:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: where to start base? [19-Oct-21 07:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I guess you already chose a starting location, but you can fly elsewhere if you want. Here's a document about starting planets and their benefits for various industries: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit PU Community Start Demand Starter planets and default companies Region,Starter,Victualler,Carbon farmer,Metallurgist,Constructor Planet,General planet notes,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long NEO Charter Exploration,Montem,Full or nearly full,Average,High,High,... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/A_Um5xPrpbfuDOWM6A8V3rN9H6_fTs0OJLGCdB1xKQI/https/lh6.googleusercontent.com/osarEj3napyLrYxTAaOvKNfZgz9wHJFmBcMUSwR8IbN26fFcwaiFyFUhGza1GHtLb7b5zhIhk_mvsQ%3Dw1200-h630-p [19-Oct-21 07:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: k [19-Oct-21 07:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: ima stay at my starting location ig [19-Oct-21 07:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah. A lot of us played for a few days and then realized we would do a lot of things differently if we could, so we restarted [19-Oct-21 07:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that's an option for you, too [19-Oct-21 07:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: k, ima stay to see if i like the game 1at [19-Oct-21 07:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: there is a lot going on and im getting a bit lost :'D [19-Oct-21 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: admittedly overwhelming at first, but worth the time imo [19-Oct-21 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: i hope so, seems cool tho [19-Oct-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: it's a very slow-paced game, especially at first. A lot of us really get deep into making spreadsheets and comparing profitability of different recipes, etc [19-Oct-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: hmm, well ty [19-Oct-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: im going to leave, hopefully I'll be back [19-Oct-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: ok bye for now [19-Oct-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **-JettLagg-**: ty and goodbye [19-Oct-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***XerWolf** left.* [19-Oct-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***XerWolf** joined.* [19-Oct-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***itsnick** left.* [19-Oct-21 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Quixotical** joined.* [19-Oct-21 09:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Quixotical**: Hi all, just joined as a manufacturer on Vallis and ran through the tutorial. Is there anything I should be doing while waiting for my first batch of polyethylene? [19-Oct-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Your BMP has a lot of different recipes, but the game only starts you with the materials to make polyethylene. So that's good that you kicked off some production of that, but now you can start comparing what other recipes you could do. [19-Oct-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Then start bidding on the goods you'll need, on the CX, and send a ship to go get them and other supplies your base will need. [19-Oct-21 09:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: This doesn't have to be done urgently, but those are the next steps I'd recommend if you're looking to do more than just wait. [19-Oct-21 09:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: if you want to buy pro as well then you could get transport contracts to the CX [19-Oct-21 09:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Quixotical**: Thank you! It's nice to see the community is welcoming to newcomers [19-Oct-21 09:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Yeah, it's a great community [19-Oct-21 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: Is there a way to like... bookmark a location of interest for later innately in the client? [19-Oct-21 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: no, though what I do is have a seperate page with a bunch I'm interested saved as open tiles [20-Oct-21 12:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I do the same with production runs I'm interested in so I can compare things easily [20-Oct-21 12:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: Thanks for the tip [20-Oct-21 12:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: hehehe i got a group channel by myself that i spam cost estimations and other stuff inside... and got a screen with 4 potential bases that i am aiming for [20-Oct-21 12:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: Yeah, I'm trying to plan future expansion. The thing that doesn't help is I don't know if buildings will cost more on high/low temp/pressure or if it's just the initial base. [20-Oct-21 12:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: all buildings [20-Oct-21 01:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: Unfortunate, makes planning harder, but thank you! [20-Oct-21 01:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: here is the handbook entry for the extra costs of buildings on different planet types [20-Oct-21 01:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/building-costs/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/building-costs/ Building costs :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [20-Oct-21 02:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Now I have four DW and two RAT in production/que again. I have done nothing with the orders, and I have enough material for production [20-Oct-21 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Hi, just a short question: What does corporation mean? I thought I founded one in the beginning? [20-Oct-21 06:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Seems like corps are some kind of a guild? [20-Oct-21 07:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **alxnns**: pretty much, it's a collection of companies [20-Oct-21 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: does employment or unemployment effect happyness? [20-Oct-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Yes, unemployment affects planetary happiness, which affects growth. But neither of those affect your personal efficiency. [20-Oct-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Sheiphtu**: Do planetary resources change over time or are they locked in? [20-Oct-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **alxnns**: locked in [20-Oct-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Sheiphtu**: thank you alxnns. [20-Oct-21 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***VEB152** joined.* [20-Oct-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: one can be in multiple corps, right? [20-Oct-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Quixotical**: Trying to sell some PE but it won't let me select a storage location. It also says my inventory has "--" despite having 200 units to sell. What am i missing here? [20-Oct-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you need to fly your goods to a cx in order to sell [20-Oct-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: *using one of your ships* [20-Oct-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Quixotical**: ahhh gotcha. thanks! [20-Oct-21 01:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: @bitrunnr I don't think so. I was in a corp and someone wanted to invite me to their corp, but it wouldn't give them the invite button until I left my corp. [20-Oct-21 02:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: I'm on a planet by myself. I just built a FS but only 1 of the 2 available settlers went to work there. Is there anything I can do about that? [20-Oct-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I've heard similar complaints about engineers sitting jobless when there are lots of open jobs. I heard it had to do with the way the game holds onto some as a reserve pool in case anyone else requests some this week. Frustrating when you know that won't happen in your case. [20-Oct-21 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @bitrunnr not in-game corps, but there are various out-of-game corps that allow that. [20-Oct-21 04:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **StephanieDiamond**: Is there an easy way to view all production templates? I want to look up what a building can do exactly. [20-Oct-21 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Stephanie: "BUI FP" for example in a new buffer [20-Oct-21 04:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **StephanieDiamond**: Awesome. Thank you so much, Saganaki. [20-Oct-21 04:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Culdesac** joined.* [20-Oct-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: Hey I have a problem with a shipping contract. I have it on location where it is supposed to be delivered, but after clicking the fulfill button, it just "loads" and nothing happens. [20-Oct-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Ixion: That usually means the person doesn't have space for the shipment. Send them a message. [20-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: aah ok [20-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: If you close/re-open the contract, does it say "Fulfillment attempted"? [20-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: correct [20-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Yup. They don't have space. [20-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: ok I see, thanks [20-Oct-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Who is it for? [20-Oct-21 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: Arralycian Trading [20-Oct-21 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: ARYA [20-Oct-21 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Jayjaxx. Are you on UFO discord? [20-Oct-21 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: yes [20-Oct-21 04:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Send him a DM via discord, he'll respond quickly enough--assuming it's not his bed time or something [20-Oct-21 04:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: Alright, thanks for the help [20-Oct-21 04:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: he has 11 hours to respond ;) [20-Oct-21 04:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: Solved! :) [20-Oct-21 05:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***IdZeUkKuU** joined.* [20-Oct-21 10:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Buckstead2005** joined.* [21-Oct-21 01:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***alphan123nbn** joined.* [21-Oct-21 02:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***vebski** joined.* [21-Oct-21 03:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Hi, how can I see the exchange rate for the different currencies? The FX commands doesn't work on my side. [21-Oct-21 03:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: if you dont have pro, you cannot trade on the fx [21-Oct-21 04:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but you still should be able to see the rates at fx [21-Oct-21 04:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Freakyfruitbat** joined.* [21-Oct-21 05:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Steffstoff** deleted this message.* [21-Oct-21 05:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: @SecretIdetity I can't find the right cmd to see the exchange rates. hmm [21-Oct-21 05:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: FX should be the command [21-Oct-21 05:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: looks like this https://imgur.com/a/tMAkm3p {Embed} https://imgur.com/a/tMAkm3p https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zpj49mRSAfx49mcPgLdM0YQvm9EMUOVoYKj7zXyLNBc/https/i.imgur.com/JQGxthFh.jpg [21-Oct-21 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but you cant trade there anyways w/o pro [21-Oct-21 05:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Ah cool thanks. Got it! [21-Oct-21 07:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: Where can I report a bug? [21-Oct-21 07:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#im-encountering-a-bug-where-do-i-report-it {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [21-Oct-21 07:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: ty [21-Oct-21 08:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Armpit** joined.* [21-Oct-21 08:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Armpit**: can someone tell me the command to restart? [21-Oct-21 08:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#how-do-i-start-over {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [21-Oct-21 08:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: COLIQ [21-Oct-21 08:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Armpit**: thanks [21-Oct-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Owens** joined.* [21-Oct-21 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Khorne** joined.* [21-Oct-21 02:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: If someone sells on local market 10 of something @price, is that a unit price, or total price? [21-Oct-21 02:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: total price [21-Oct-21 02:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Thanks [21-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: If I paid for contract, the other party is obligated to fulfil it, correct? [21-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: well [21-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: they can not do so and it give a rep hit [21-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: but that generally happens with shipping contracts [21-Oct-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Yeah, LM is possible to pirate and not fulfill, but the community is pretty good and that doesn't happy intentionally too often [21-Oct-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: It's rather small planetary contracts [21-Oct-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Blackbeef** joined.* [21-Oct-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: you can try to ping them [21-Oct-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: I mean I'm most probably overreacting, I just took it [21-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Just have a bit too much experience with EVE scams [21-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: most people just dont log in but once every few hours at most [21-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: its not a very fast paced game [21-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Oh yeah, I noticed that [21-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, and even if they miss the deadline, it's often not malicious - just real life gets in the way sometimes [21-Oct-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can choose to extend the deadline to give them more time if you really don't want to let it just breach [21-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you look up their company rating, the Activity rating can help you tell if they log in regularly, and the Reliability rating will indicate if they usually meet their obligations [21-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: It's B and A respectively, so looks good [21-Oct-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: how do i find my partially fufilled contracts? [21-Oct-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: I know theres one open but i dont see it in my sidebar [21-Oct-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: under CONT [21-Oct-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: guess i was mistaken [21-Oct-21 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***DoomSleigher** joined.* [21-Oct-21 04:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: CONTS for all contracts, CONT if you know the Contract ID [21-Oct-21 05:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Mathieu74**: What is the max number of base you can have with the trial account ? [21-Oct-21 05:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: 5 [21-Oct-21 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Mathieu74**: thank [21-Oct-21 05:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Photonic_Symmetry** joined.* [21-Oct-21 06:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: or is it 6? You start with HQ lvl 1, and that has 2 permits. You can upgrade to HQ lvl 5 on trial, so that seems you'd have 6 permits total. Right? [21-Oct-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It's 6. You have a maximum of 6 permits, can upgrade 5 times. [21-Oct-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: hmm [21-Oct-21 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: they lied [21-Oct-21 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: "they" [21-Oct-21 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: who ever told me there was only 5 [21-Oct-21 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: lol probably heared it wrong, bases instead of upgrades [21-Oct-21 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @xerwolf Sidebar shows contracts where *you* have outstanding obligations, not all unfulfilled contracts [22-Oct-21 12:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: As I understand it, on an uninhabitable planet the population can only live in HABs. If I have available HAB space but no available jobs will people still migrate in? [22-Oct-21 12:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that's my understanding, yeah [22-Oct-21 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: That they will still migrate?... [22-Oct-21 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, until the max for the habs is full [22-Oct-21 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: There will be a happiness value; that % - 70% is migration rate, iirc [22-Oct-21 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: it will grow as normal, but be capped at the max hab capacity [22-Oct-21 12:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: *have not verified myself [22-Oct-21 12:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I believe it can go past hab space, but then life support % drops, which drastically affects happiness? [22-Oct-21 12:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: I colonized a couple weeks ago. Currently have 258 PIO with room for 275. I would expect about 60 to migrate in if I build another HAB but will I get all 60 if there is no job waiting for them? [22-Oct-21 12:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Just trying to figure out if I should build a HAB first or a production building. [22-Oct-21 12:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: from wiki: "Life Support: This need is always fulfilled on habitable planets (environmental conditions within normal ranges, water and oxygen available). On unhabitable planets, it has to be provided by habitation buildings. If the total population exceeds the total habitation capacity, fulfillment will decrease." So, sounds like lordcirth is right [22-Oct-21 12:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Migration takes time, and habs don't need repairs - so probably best to get some workers before building something that decays? [22-Oct-21 12:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Thanks for the input. It sounds like the migrators who become part of the planetary pool will effectively live in my HABs but won't be considered part of my workforce until the production building is put up. [22-Oct-21 12:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I think there should be a planetary project or pop infrastructure that gives some space for workers to live and room to grow until HAB space for them is available [22-Oct-21 12:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: would be good for planets that don't have a lot of workers on them yet, ie, 1 or 2 people with bases [22-Oct-21 12:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: because most bases will only build enough HABs for what they need, but if that is all the space available, if someone else moves onto the planet and builds a bunch of stuff quickly, it draws on their workers that they had during the next pop report [22-Oct-21 03:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: is there a list of HQ upgrade costs per level? [22-Oct-21 03:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: here is a list of known ones with the suspected formula for calculating future ones https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ HQ - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [22-Oct-21 04:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **sisso**: Is it possible to put 2 ship in orbit of planet and exchange goods? Or do I need to be landed in planet/space station? [22-Oct-21 04:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **alxnns**: they need to be landed [22-Oct-21 05:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LouisXVI**: Hello All, any way of making sell/buy orders on LM auto-fulfill like the shipping orders? [22-Oct-21 05:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lmao_1** joined.* [22-Oct-21 07:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but you can still transfer from ship to ship w/o a base/warehouse? [22-Oct-21 07:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **thaelina**: Yeh as long as theyre landed [22-Oct-21 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***LoneOnion** joined.* [22-Oct-21 10:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: I have two farmsteads. If I want two different products being manufactured, do I need to set it up manually, or can I leave it to the "recurring" option? [22-Oct-21 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: If you do a recurring order for one product and another recurring order for a different product then they'll alternate. Recurring orders always go back down to the bottom of the list once they are started [22-Oct-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: I see, that makes sense [22-Oct-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Thanks [22-Oct-21 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: No problemo [22-Oct-21 10:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***CptWaffles** joined.* [22-Oct-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Zerrochi** joined.* [22-Oct-21 12:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dregun55** joined.* [22-Oct-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***STaSHZILLA** joined.* [22-Oct-21 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Grimlie**: Made a hydroponics farm without any access to Nutrient Solution, what do I do just buy off market place? I'm a rat farmer on verdant. [22-Oct-21 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: Hello everyone, there is a cash amount for each mat type in my inventory. It's underneath the w/v. What does this number represent exactly? [22-Oct-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: Yes, either in a CX or LM [22-Oct-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: @Grimlie ^ [22-Oct-21 01:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Grimlie**: Can I mine limestone on any planet? Or I have to set up a base on a planet with Limestone and nitrogen? [22-Oct-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: You could ask around about finding someone to trade with. Since youre going to need it all the time and everyone needs COF [22-Oct-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: You need to be on a planet that has that resource [22-Oct-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: @Grimlie there is no LST in the HRT system, so CX is the best bet [22-Oct-21 02:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: several people make it elsewhere and ship it to HRT [22-Oct-21 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: I guess youre on verdant rather, i was thinking prom [22-Oct-21 02:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: Sell what you can mine locally and buy the goods you need for production and upkeep. Check out the local bonuses for production in your system and keep your production lines focused on those at first. [22-Oct-21 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Grimlie**: Cool thanks for the answers :) [22-Oct-21 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: You can always COLIQ too. Starting over with a more optimized base is sometimes the answer [22-Oct-21 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: honestly impressed you started with a HYF, thats a steep curve [22-Oct-21 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Grimlie**: I already have a three farmstead three food processor setup farming rat. I just messed up and didn't look at what was needed for caf bean, I just wanted that sweet cof dawg [22-Oct-21 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: makes sense. Yeah, would recommend finding an NS supplier [22-Oct-21 02:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: I make it but im all the way over in MOR :P [22-Oct-21 02:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: I feel you. Last go around I made COF and I was able to get water and ns at a good rate and trade for cof so it was scheduled with the other guy [22-Oct-21 02:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: Ask around on here or the discord [22-Oct-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **OGPizza**: There is a cash amount for each mat type in my inventory. It's underneath the w/v. What does this number represent exactly? [22-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: So if you bought 20 PWO at 2400 and 10 PWO at 1000, then it shows 3400 for 30 PWO. But as the amount of PWO goes down due to being consumed then the amount listed will go down. [22-Oct-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: I meant to put, I think it's what you have bought that mat for. [22-Oct-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: how do you get this cash amount display? [22-Oct-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: i dont have that [22-Oct-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: you have to click the list icon in your inventory [22-Oct-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: oh i see it now [22-Oct-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: cool [22-Oct-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: this is wrong [22-Oct-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: i paid some to make this water [22-Oct-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: very little but still [22-Oct-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Did you buy the water or produce the water? [22-Oct-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: If you produced it then it'll be 0, but if you bought some then it should show the amount that you bought it for [22-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: at least until the amount that you bought has been used or sold [22-Oct-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: or if the amount you bought it for was for less than $1 per unit then that might show 0 as well [22-Oct-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: i produced it but i had to pay a fee [22-Oct-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: and those pioneers want food clothing and water too [22-Oct-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Yeah, unfortunately it doesn't factor in those costs. I think they just opted for simple calculations, because once you start to factor in the other costs, where would you stop? buidling depreciation costs, ship depreciation costs, fuel costs, currency conversion rates, etc. [22-Oct-21 06:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Hey dear community, is there an overview of all starter planets? I just want to check if my desicion is bad or not. I startet 3 days ago. [22-Oct-21 06:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: here you go https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit PU Community Start Demand Starter planets and default companies Region,Starter,Victualler,Carbon farmer,Metallurgist,Constructor Planet,General planet notes,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long NEO Charter Exploration,Montem,Full or nearly full,Average,High,High,... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/A_Um5xPrpbfuDOWM6A8V3rN9H6_fTs0OJLGCdB1xKQI/https/lh6.googleusercontent.com/osarEj3napyLrYxTAaOvKNfZgz9wHJFmBcMUSwR8IbN26fFcwaiFyFUhGza1GHtLb7b5zhIhk_mvsQ%3Dw1200-h630-p [22-Oct-21 06:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: some starts despite being very good on the list are up for debate [22-Oct-21 06:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: eg, fuel refining is often considered to be an over saturated market [22-Oct-21 06:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Great thank you so much. Is Suitability = Soil fertility? [22-Oct-21 06:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: no [22-Oct-21 06:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: second page (down bottom) explains why something was suitable [22-Oct-21 06:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: though again, some research on your own part is required to get best use of this document [22-Oct-21 06:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: it just gives a few good starting points to look at [22-Oct-21 06:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Ah nice I see it on the third tab. Great [22-Oct-21 06:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: third page is for more advanced starts [22-Oct-21 06:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: that helps me alot! [22-Oct-21 06:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: oh, I see, he's changed the order [22-Oct-21 06:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: it gets updated once every couple of weeks, so if something has happened in the market recently, it may not reflect that [22-Oct-21 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Now I am reassured. My choice was not so bad after all. :) [22-Oct-21 06:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: whay was it out of interest? [22-Oct-21 06:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: what* [22-Oct-21 06:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: The Soil fertility isn't that great in my planet and I read some things in the handbook about it. [22-Oct-21 06:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: But I've water and only a slight negative effect on Soil fertility [22-Oct-21 06:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: I guess it's okay for now [22-Oct-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Soil fertility isn't that big a deal compared to luxury consumables, experts, and input availability. [22-Oct-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: All else being equal or similar, then maybe it matter.s [22-Oct-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: I've another question: I like to play with a friend. In the FAQ is written it works only with the LM? [22-Oct-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: If you want to do direct trades, yes. [22-Oct-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Otherwise you will need to use the CX. [22-Oct-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Okay, than I've to buy pro, correct? [22-Oct-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: And the local markets are still public, so you have to coordinate ads to avoid someone else accidentally grabbing them. Correct PRO required. [22-Oct-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Note that after at least 1 month of PRO, your license becomes BASIC, then you can still accept LM ads, but not post. [22-Oct-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Okay, that's a little bit sad. But okay. [22-Oct-21 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Yeah I read that [22-Oct-21 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: So, with a friend, you could alternate months or something :D [22-Oct-21 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: If you need to save the money. [22-Oct-21 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: BTW: Thanks for the hint with the Soil fertility :) [22-Oct-21 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: You're welcome. It isn't always obvious. [22-Oct-21 07:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: The game is very complex yes but it seems to be a nice eco sim [22-Oct-21 07:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: it should also be noted that it is slow, a lot of people have trouble adjusting to the idea that things take hours or days and wonder if they are doing something wrong [22-Oct-21 07:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: I read about it in the global chat yesterday or so and of course I notice it in my own ^^ [22-Oct-21 07:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: all good, most people are used to games where you can beat it in a week, you won't do that here [22-Oct-21 07:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: when I see new players, it's one of the tips I give them [22-Oct-21 07:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: also, fly slow when sending your ship places, fuel costs add up if you use to much [22-Oct-21 07:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Makes sense to prapair them yes [22-Oct-21 07:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: a lot of us sit with this on the background, and it's useful to keep an eye on global chat, and read all of the your planets chat since there will be people that went through the same start as you there [22-Oct-21 07:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: I made my first fly and used almost 50% of my fuel tank. But I needed some goods because I thought I can speed up my production with it. [22-Oct-21 07:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Oh planet chat? I missed it. How can I activate it? [22-Oct-21 07:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: open COM and you should already be a part of it [22-Oct-21 07:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: just save it to a tile somewhere [22-Oct-21 07:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Nice, now I'm in! [22-Oct-21 07:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I'd also recommend joining the 2 discords for this game (plus your corp one if you join one) [22-Oct-21 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: two discords? I'm in the official channel and in the one for the start planet [22-Oct-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: the other one is the UFO discord, a lot of players gather there and discuss stuff, and on UFO, people advertise when they will have ships going places [22-Oct-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: https://discord.gg/wz3Ydzhc [22-Oct-21 07:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: here is the UFO discord [22-Oct-21 07:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: https://discord.gg/wS5VFedF [22-Oct-21 07:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: and that is the official discord [22-Oct-21 07:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Ah okay, than I'm in both [22-Oct-21 07:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: I thought the UFO one is just for my Planet and realized now it's not [22-Oct-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: no, later on, when you are at the point where you are starting to seriously conisder where to put a second base, it might be useful to join those planets channels, just to see what kind of activity there is on them [22-Oct-21 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Okay got it [22-Oct-21 07:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: also, at the start, while you don't have a lot to do managing your company, it can be useful to start thinking how you want to expand, look at the recipes for things you use, prefabs you use, things your outputs are used in, etc, and see what seems interesting [22-Oct-21 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: That's what I started with yesterday. But I'm low on my bankaccount [22-Oct-21 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: follow the chains back to their raw materials, and then look for planets that provide them, preferably close to where you already are (I've been told logistics are a pain later on) [22-Oct-21 07:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: yeah, your starting cash, depending on your start, can fund up to 3 extra buildings, usually 2 (I say 3 as prefab prices have been fairly low recently), but it'll take at least a month before you fill up your first base, probably longer [22-Oct-21 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: My current idea is to build more production buildings. I started with another Farm. [22-Oct-21 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: good choice, I made the mistake of another FP [22-Oct-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I've heard, though haven't run the numbers myself, that 3 FRMs can support 2 FPs, though that doesn't account for experts, CoGC, etc [22-Oct-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: i realized relatively quickly that i couldn't keep up with the farmgoods. But water is short as well. So probably I've to build a RIG soon [22-Oct-21 07:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: fair call, as a side note, if your planet has poor water, it might be worth checking the price of water on the CX [22-Oct-21 07:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: I'm not sure what poor water means [22-Oct-21 07:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: The yellow bar is amlost in the middle [22-Oct-21 07:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: approx 30 Units per day [22-Oct-21 07:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: that would be a good water deposit on the planet then [22-Oct-21 07:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: anything over 25% of the bar is decent [22-Oct-21 07:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Okay perfect :) [22-Oct-21 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: though also remember, more for later on, that RIGs use resource extraction experts, FRMs use agri experts, and FPs use Food Industries experts, a base can only have 6 active at once, and 5 in a single industry, with each expert having a slightly larger effect [22-Oct-21 07:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: you only start with 2 so it won't be a problem with quite some time [22-Oct-21 07:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Ah okay good to know, than I've to kick 2 out from the farms later. [22-Oct-21 07:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: you can have have them at the base, you can only have 6 active [22-Oct-21 07:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: means if you really want, you can switch between 2 industries freely, though I don't think anyone plans around that [22-Oct-21 07:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Bitburg** joined.* [22-Oct-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Good, thanks a lot @bazdakka for all the tipps! Time to bed right now. [22-Oct-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: Hello, I'm just wondering if you can be in 2 industries at once. EX: Can you be a manufacturer and carbon farmer to supply yourself with carbon and at the same time sell your products and some carbon? [22-Oct-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: yes [22-Oct-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: Okay thanks [22-Oct-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: the starts just give you starting prefabs to build a couple of buildings within that field [22-Oct-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: a few things to keep in mind though [22-Oct-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Pioneer-N3RD** joined.* [22-Oct-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: Ok [22-Oct-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: first, the longer a base is in an industry, the more experts it gets in that industry, giving a % speed boost to it, this matters as consumables cost, and it lets you produce more goods in the same time, for overall, less consumables [22-Oct-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: Also I'm wondering if you can change your company name. [22-Oct-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: and you can only have up to 6 experts, with 5 in a single industry, this means you usually want some level of specialization [22-Oct-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: sadly no [22-Oct-21 07:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: not without reseting [22-Oct-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: I'm too new so I'm fine with that [22-Oct-21 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: second, planets can only have 4 resources, out of the 34 total, so it'll take a lot of bases to get them all [22-Oct-21 07:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: and some planets have less [22-Oct-21 07:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: So which planet would you recommend for the Manufacturer prefab? [22-Oct-21 07:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: third, there is a lot of recipies in the game, it's practically impossible to produce everything yourself, instead, set goals of what you want to produce yourself, and what your fine with buying, the limits are entirely up to you [22-Oct-21 07:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: hmm, not sure about manufacturing, as I starters as a vitucaller [22-Oct-21 07:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: here is a good spreadsheet that has a list of starts and planets they are good on https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit PU Community Start Demand Starter planets and default companies Region,Starter,Victualler,Carbon farmer,Metallurgist,Constructor Planet,General planet notes,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long NEO Charter Exploration,Montem,Full or nearly full,Average,High,High,... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/A_Um5xPrpbfuDOWM6A8V3rN9H6_fTs0OJLGCdB1xKQI/https/lh6.googleusercontent.com/osarEj3napyLrYxTAaOvKNfZgz9wHJFmBcMUSwR8IbN26fFcwaiFyFUhGza1GHtLb7b5zhIhk_mvsQ%3Dw1200-h630-p [22-Oct-21 07:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: Im about to "LIQUIDATE" my company. [22-Oct-21 07:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: oh, then that sheet is very useful [22-Oct-21 07:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: the third page explains why some got the ratings they did [22-Oct-21 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: but it all requires some research on your end to figure out what your plan is [22-Oct-21 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: don't worry about the reset, most people have to at least once (or so I'm told), as I'm one of the few that didn't have to [22-Oct-21 08:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I've heard that manufacturing is a hard start, as it requires buying inputs, and a lot of knowledge to make work, though as I said, I didn't start that way so I can't comment [22-Oct-21 08:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***SXHollo** joined.* [22-Oct-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **meatloafmafia**: I started as manufacturing a couple times and couldn't grasp it so went victualler.. much easier to learn the ropes with [22-Oct-21 09:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, you're dependent on others a lot more with manufacturing start [22-Oct-21 09:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: victualler you just need to keep your pioneers clothed, and possibly buy water if you're not on a water-abundant planet [22-Oct-21 10:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: hey so I am on a laptop as I am on vacation and my ship says 0 seconds until arrival and all of my production says 100 percent how do I fix stuff like this [22-Oct-21 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: I can't sell my goods or pickup the goods I bought earlier as it says it is still arriving but its 0 seconds away [22-Oct-21 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: try refreshing the page [22-Oct-21 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Char1i33** joined.* [22-Oct-21 10:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: already have [22-Oct-21 10:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: I actually logged out and logged back on [22-Oct-21 10:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: if that doesnt work then maybe an issue with your time on your pc [22-Oct-21 10:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: the time displayed is client side [22-Oct-21 10:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: from what ive heard [22-Oct-21 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: oh thanks [22-Oct-21 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: that fix it? [22-Oct-21 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: n but it was out of sync [22-Oct-21 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: maybe I just have to log out and log back in now [22-Oct-21 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: ok [22-Oct-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: npe still and issue [22-Oct-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: hmm [22-Oct-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: ah nevermind [22-Oct-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: its good now? [22-Oct-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: it just resynced I still got a few hours to go on the jump [22-Oct-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: ok cool [22-Oct-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: is weird though i told it to leave about two days ago with these out of sync settings [22-Oct-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: and it said it would take a day and 18 hours [22-Oct-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: and now it says I have to wait 12 hours [22-Oct-21 10:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: yea that sounds strange [22-Oct-21 10:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: what time zone were you in and what now? [22-Oct-21 10:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***IanNaN** joined.* [22-Oct-21 10:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Trucido** joined.* [23-Oct-21 12:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***WulfBlodtorstSkardsson** joined.* [23-Oct-21 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DrMambo** joined.* [23-Oct-21 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DrMambo** left.* [23-Oct-21 05:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Jerrypickcorp** joined.* [23-Oct-21 05:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lokus** joined.* [23-Oct-21 07:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **NewGameWhoDis**: How to get resources [23-Oct-21 07:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***NewGameWhoDis** joined.* [23-Oct-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Urban** joined.* [23-Oct-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***duukn** joined.* [23-Oct-21 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Funkdunkulous** joined.* [23-Oct-21 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: cx [23-Oct-21 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Mathieu74**: In the BS command what are the permits ? [23-Oct-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: hmm good question [23-Oct-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: base permits [23-Oct-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Permits = You can use a HQ permit to expand your base (+250 area) or a permit to settle a new planet (500 area) [23-Oct-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: You can expand up to an additional 500 area. [23-Oct-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: so what is the add/rmv? [23-Oct-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: add/remove space [23-Oct-21 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Mathieu74**: Ok thank [23-Oct-21 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: thought that cost building materials? [23-Oct-21 09:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Nope. Only settling a new planet costs building materials. [23-Oct-21 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Well, rather, the CM requires mats. All buildings still require MCG/whatever. [23-Oct-21 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gourami_Lee**: hmm [23-Oct-21 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***kapitanie** joined.* [23-Oct-21 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChaosPilot**: I am still having problem with my FP queue. Another post made.... [23-Oct-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Buckstead2005**: So how do i buy and sell at the cxl? [23-Oct-21 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: @TheChaosPilot whats the issue you are having? [23-Oct-21 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: @Buckstead2005, you click the trade button in the CX for the item you want to buy/sell [23-Oct-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: @buckstead2005 click cxl on the most left of you screen, click the cx which you want to trade at, search your product and click trade, note that you will need a ship at the cx to get the wares back to your base [23-Oct-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: If you buy something at a station, do you have a certain amount of time to pick it up? [23-Oct-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: no, unlimited [23-Oct-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: I'm flying to a CX for the first time. so not too sure what to expect [23-Oct-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: thank you @Zizzleswomp [23-Oct-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: welcome to the game, btw :) [23-Oct-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: Appreciate it! Im infatuated. [23-Oct-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, it hooked me right away, too [23-Oct-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: me too! welcome! [23-Oct-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Can I change the order price, or do I need to repost it? [23-Oct-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I believe you need to cancel your order if you want to change it. CXOS should bring up your posted orders [23-Oct-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: note that you can only delete 5 times in a 24h period before you have to pay a fee of 5% (iirc) on what that order is worth [23-Oct-21 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Hiltraud** joined.* [23-Oct-21 04:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Labyrinth_Conestllations** joined.* [23-Oct-21 04:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: So what I have an extractor, I just wait for stuff to sell? [23-Oct-21 05:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: game composes of production, supply, trade *logistics*. meaning you need also transport your produce to Community X-change, leave it there and try to sell. you also need to feed your workers - supply them the essential consumables. mind that fuel has a considerable price [23-Oct-21 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: You could put up your produce on local market in hope of selling it but it's a really long shot to actually accomplish that [23-Oct-21 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: extractor is easy because it needs no supply apart from workers. it may be very profitable, depending on your planet and competition [23-Oct-21 05:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: to put produce on Local Market, you need premium. to accept others' ads, its enough to have an expired premium [23-Oct-21 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bugleberry**: Is premium the PRO account? [23-Oct-21 05:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: people tend to put convenient and unfavourable ads on LM. if you put a fair price on LM on a starting planet, it would be accepted within the day [23-Oct-21 05:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: PRO is premium, Basic is expired PRO, trial is free. [23-Oct-21 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Krahazik** joined.* [23-Oct-21 09:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: i just got to the CX for the first time to pick up my filled orders. How do i access them so i can put it on my ship? [23-Oct-21 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: CONT into a new buffer should show orders that have been filled [23-Oct-21 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: yea two are filled, but its not in my ship inv, nor can i find it. [23-Oct-21 09:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: my ship is "stationary" at moria station. [23-Oct-21 09:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: did you fill them before your ship arrived and do you have a warehouse at the CX in question, also, is it the right CX? [23-Oct-21 09:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: i filled them before i got there, and i dont have a warehouse. [23-Oct-21 09:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: ok, open a new buffer, and enter the command CONT [23-Oct-21 09:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: it should show a couple of contracts to pick stuff up [23-Oct-21 09:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: cont is returning an "illegal command" [23-Oct-21 09:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: sorry, CONTS [23-Oct-21 09:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: yea. thanks. i think its there! [23-Oct-21 09:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I use the one on the left sidebar and that is all it showed [23-Oct-21 09:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: lol. i noticed that too and clicked it. youre my savior! [23-Oct-21 09:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: all good, you'd be surprised how many times a variation on this question comes up in this chat [23-Oct-21 09:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: you got further than most [23-Oct-21 09:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: most wonder where the CX is... [23-Oct-21 09:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: the youtube videos are a massive help. i must have oerlooked the one thing i needed. XD [23-Oct-21 09:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: to be fair, they are a bit out of date, and I wish everyone watched the videos [23-Oct-21 09:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: do you want a couple of tips I give to new players? [23-Oct-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: sure! [23-Oct-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: 1, fly slow, fuel costs money, and it adds up quickly [23-Oct-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: you can DM on discord if thats easier for you [23-Oct-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: 2, this is a slow game, don't be surprised that things take time, hours, days, or even weeks [23-Oct-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: yea so when i planned my flight, i knew id be away from home, so i lowered the fuel costs to make it take longer. [23-Oct-21 09:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: you'd be surprised how many miss that one [23-Oct-21 09:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: So, I was told once i get to the CX to spend all my starting money. Should i just buy things to keep my people satisfied, or buy things to add to m base? [23-Oct-21 09:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: 3, open COM and open your planet chat, most aren't that active, but I find it very useful to keep up with your planet chat since some there will have started the same as you [23-Oct-21 09:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: depending on your start, and prefab prices at the time (currently fairly low) you can get up to 3 new buildings for your base with starting cash, but keep about 1,000 aside for production costs (taxes) [23-Oct-21 09:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: fantastic. thanks for all your help. [23-Oct-21 09:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: I can tell im in it for the long haul. Probably buy into it within the week. [23-Oct-21 09:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: for your first buy, I'd suggest at just build more of your starting buildings, remember to also get enough HAB space for them [23-Oct-21 09:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: currently on the free trial to test it out. [23-Oct-21 09:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: fair, I went pro after a week, I found having 1 ship flying shipping contracts, especially to other CXs, netted me about 20,000 a month [23-Oct-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: other CXs will often buy goods your CX specializes in at a higher price that your own, but it costs fuel to get there, so early on you can't produce enough goods to make the trip worth it, but if you can fill the space up with a shipping contracts to help pay fuel and hopefully earn extra on the side, you can increase your profits, just be in mind if you do that have a plan for what you'll bring back, no point in having another CX currency if you don't plan to spend it [23-Oct-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: anyway, good luck to you and I hope you enjoy the game [23-Oct-21 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: thanks for everything @bazdakka [24-Oct-21 05:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***mkxone** joined.* [24-Oct-21 08:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TooBusyPT** joined.* [24-Oct-21 08:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TooBusyPT** left.* [24-Oct-21 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Gnargl** joined.* [24-Oct-21 09:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***MachineLizard** joined.* [24-Oct-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LAUZBOT**: Is it possible to take a loan from a NPC bank? [24-Oct-21 10:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: idts? [24-Oct-21 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: no there isnt [24-Oct-21 10:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: there are some wonky construct like taking a lm contract for 1 dw for example and long run time [24-Oct-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: but those depend on trust and unless you know the other person/ are in a corp you wont find someone [24-Oct-21 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **GreenGem**: where u can find your companies code? [24-Oct-21 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: click your name here in chat, then click on your company name [24-Oct-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **GreenGem**: thank you very much [24-Oct-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: the code will be at the top [24-Oct-21 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **GreenGem**: how to get more experts? [24-Oct-21 12:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @GreenGem: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/#experts {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/ Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [24-Oct-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **GreenGem**: thank you brother [24-Oct-21 01:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Funkdunkulous**: How do I get my company rated? I'm brand new and unable to fulfill any of the lucrative local market orders as i'm unrated. [24-Oct-21 01:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: requires Pro membership [24-Oct-21 01:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: for at least one month [24-Oct-21 01:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Funkdunkulous**: ah, cheers [24-Oct-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mkxone**: Started as metallurgist and built my extractor and smelter. Now i mine 4 FEO every 17h and produce 3 FE every 14 hours... Wow :/ [24-Oct-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mkxone**: What can i do now except logging off and coming back wednesday? Do i Miss something? [24-Oct-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***s_batman** joined.* [24-Oct-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***s_batman** left.* [24-Oct-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: @MkxoneIts a slow game and can take a bit to progress. If you get a Pro License, you can accept shipping ads on your Local Market and spend some time hauling other peoples supplies for cash to invest in expansion. You also only need Pro once and then it turns into Basic rather than Trial, allowing you to accept, but not post LM ads. [24-Oct-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @mkxone you will want to buy more consumables, and probably inputs like C or O [24-Oct-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You could also take a look at the different CXs and see if maybe you could ship things for a profit [24-Oct-21 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: That and just planning your next steps and learning the production chains a bit. There are a ton of items to produce. I know I spend a lot of the time just looking at different setups or productions that I could make [24-Oct-21 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: How do you sell stuff at the CX? [24-Oct-21 05:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: nvm. i found it [24-Oct-21 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **devron**: Hello, I have a shipment contract stuck. I have the shipement and reach the final destiny [24-Oct-21 06:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **devron**: But the fulfill button is disabled. This is a Bug? [24-Oct-21 06:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***grindthisgame** joined.* [24-Oct-21 06:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **thaelina**: Are you landed on the right planet/station? [24-Oct-21 06:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: maybe the receptor hasnt enough space to take the cargo?? [24-Oct-21 06:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: I read this in a guide you have to land if you are in orbit [24-Oct-21 07:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: What's the best way for a new Carbon Farmer to get the most profit? [24-Oct-21 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: There are a bunch of community tools that could help you project profits based on your setup [24-Oct-21 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [24-Oct-21 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: Thanks [24-Oct-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Rain's Master Base Planner (with Fio integration) is great. I also really like PRUNner https://github.com/Jacudibu/PRUNner/ {Embed} https://github.com/Jacudibu/PRUNner/ GitHub - Jacudibu/PRUNner: Base Planner & Management tool for Prosp... Base Planner & Management tool for Prosperous Universe - GitHub - Jacudibu/PRUNner: Base Planner & Management tool for Prosperous Universe https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iswaYTfPQiQwDfqWV1J9tYDq3Y2JeoW9zIND8KdkbRw/https/opengraph.githubassets.com/d4f3b801b429427bc74a95fc11743be6f8fc7459ea935e5796407ec04a56e174/Jacudibu/PRUNner [24-Oct-21 07:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: How do I open PRUNer? [24-Oct-21 08:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Read the README [24-Oct-21 08:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: what is this game [24-Oct-21 08:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: a fantastic economy, production, logistics simulator [24-Oct-21 08:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: good thank you [24-Oct-21 08:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: and what do I have to do? [24-Oct-21 08:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: up to you, at first most people just go for income/growth [24-Oct-21 08:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: but later, some people are working on shipbuilding, or providing raw materials that aren't yet available, or settling far corners of the universe [24-Oct-21 08:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: delightful [24-Oct-21 08:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: sounds very fun [24-Oct-21 08:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: thanks [24-Oct-21 08:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: it hooked me right away, been playing for 4.5 months now [24-Oct-21 08:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: wow thats a lot [24-Oct-21 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: and did you watched tutorials or something? [24-Oct-21 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: or just learnt by playing? [24-Oct-21 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, I preferred reading the tutorials rather than watching the videos: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/ Tutorials :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [24-Oct-21 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: for videos: HELP (top right) > video transmissions [24-Oct-21 08:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Juax**: thanks! [24-Oct-21 08:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Juax** joined.* [24-Oct-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: I accidently sent a ship to a place I shouldn't have and wasted fuel should i just liquidate? [24-Oct-21 09:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: do you have any unfinished contracts? [24-Oct-21 09:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Never started one [24-Oct-21 09:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: up to you, then [24-Oct-21 09:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: I say this because I just started yesterday maybe it is not worth it to waste my liq on a 'small' mistake [24-Oct-21 09:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you're probably going to make a few other mistakes at first - we all do [24-Oct-21 09:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: might be better to play a few days before deciding, but if you spent half your fuel tanks or something crazy (you start with an immense amount of fuel), that might be worth restarting [24-Oct-21 09:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: I would say probably half of my FTL on both ships lol [24-Oct-21 09:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: I haven't used any of the reserves they give you though [24-Oct-21 09:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: The game defaults to a crazy high burn rate on the sliders, so that happens to a lot of new players [24-Oct-21 09:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: mhm... that mistake you can recover from... lol my first time i totally didnt follow the tutorials and made the wrong buildings where i just made the experts i start out with useless [24-Oct-21 09:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Ok I will just take it as a learning exp and wait for these boys to return home [24-Oct-21 09:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if you plan to coliq better to use a week maybe to explore as much as possible so that when you restart you got a better hand at things [24-Oct-21 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: A little late, but you can always cancel your flight. They will complete their next part, but you can stop it [24-Oct-21 10:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: I stopped mid way through a 2 day flight so just waiting a day for return I luckily did set the burn rate to MIN [24-Oct-21 10:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Anyone else just get spinning when you use CXP or am I not doing it right [24-Oct-21 10:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: are you doing it like "CXP AL.NC1" [24-Oct-21 10:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: minus the () part [24-Oct-21 10:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: make sure you use all-caps. sometimes lower-caps causes endless loadds [24-Oct-21 10:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: the handbook made me think the separated was a+ and not a . [24-Oct-21 10:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: thank you that did it [24-Oct-21 11:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you dont even need to add CXP, just MAT.EXCH so AL.NC1 [24-Oct-21 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Why is carbon so wacky [24-Oct-21 11:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Something seems wrong with carbon or I'm reading too much into it [24-Oct-21 11:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: ooh ooh i like science jokes. I dont know. Why is carbon so wacky? [24-Oct-21 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Its wacky because its a mole [24-Oct-21 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: oh damn [24-Oct-21 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: thats pretty good [24-Oct-21 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Thanks I just made that up [24-Oct-21 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: now what do you mean by wacky? [24-Oct-21 11:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: I'm not sure how to put it I'll just assume I'm thinking too hard haha [24-Oct-21 11:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: I keep forgeting that production can have more than a couple of units and not just 1 or 2 [25-Oct-21 02:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Stingray6442** joined.* [25-Oct-21 05:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Eosis** joined.* [25-Oct-21 06:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***HarmonyStrips** left.* [25-Oct-21 08:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sigarda** joined.* [25-Oct-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***MinoRoss** joined.* [25-Oct-21 12:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***HarmonyStrips** joined.* [25-Oct-21 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MahmoodTheCamelThief**: Hey, I accidentally closed the panel with the tutorial on it, how do i re-open it (what is the code for it?) and how do i resume the tutorial? [25-Oct-21 01:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I'm not sure if it's quite the same, but HELP (top-right) lists the steps the tutorial would have guided you through [25-Oct-21 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MahmoodTheCamelThief**: AH, i'll try that, thanks! [25-Oct-21 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MahmoodTheCamelThief**: I also closed the middle by accident, i think it had some general information a/ actions on it but i have no idea what it was called. It was just right of the map. Any idea? [25-Oct-21 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: When I started, the game didn't have a guided tutorial like that yet. Since then, I've heard other new players complain of accidentally closing the tutorial and haven't heard of a solution. You'd get it again if you restart, I believe, though restarting is a bit drastic IMO. [25-Oct-21 01:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: That might be your Base info? That has many yellow buttons along the top. BS to open and select your base [25-Oct-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***MahmoodTheCamelThief** joined.* [25-Oct-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Hatoor** joined.* [25-Oct-21 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Spaceguyroy** joined.* [25-Oct-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: What is ECD currency? [25-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: A currency that is currently unused [25-Oct-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Looks like it used to be a currency in the first universe [25-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: I don't believe it's ever been used, but some of the real old timers would have to say. [25-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: I'm old, but not that old [25-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: I checked the forums for ECD and it popped up in a post for 10/2017: https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/bugs-and-improvements/151/20 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/bugs-and-improvements/151/20 Bugs and Improvements Hi everyone, iā€™m not sure if this is a bug if not please let me knowā€¦ iā€™m cunretly trying zo buy some food from the mraket so i set up a commodity exchange order and because there were some offers listet already i set my limit to the highest offer (10.00ECD) so i can buy the hole marketā€¦ all the offer below the 10.00ECD point were bought but... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3M-bdcKqZMLNWEi_-sQlPyaHuNoTh854eMNfFVh4elQ/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/d31adc7466a1c7544a29aba970926fae95da561c.png [25-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: Like AIC wasn't used in the last universe [25-Oct-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: ah looks like you are correct, that was before my time [25-Oct-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Armpit**: will there be another wipe in this game duinr development? [25-Oct-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **koccs**: Yes [25-Oct-21 03:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: It won't be soon tho, they want to add community-voted com-exchanges to the universe [25-Oct-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Arkad85** joined.* [26-Oct-21 01:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***iBowl125** joined.* [26-Oct-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Stingray6442**: I'm trying to bring up the universe map with the MU command but it says it's illegal? [26-Oct-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: it's MU NAV [26-Oct-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Stingray6442**: Thx [26-Oct-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Legorin** joined.* [26-Oct-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: whats the difference between mu nav and mu cx? [26-Oct-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: m-nav also works [26-Oct-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: MU NAV can be set to show traffic, ftl or stl [26-Oct-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: MU CX can be set to show Trades, Supply or Demand of specific goods [26-Oct-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: MU CX can be used to check if their is demand for a specific good in one of the 4 exchanges, but I would still use the CX pages [26-Oct-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***MagWizz** joined.* [26-Oct-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ohhh you have to write them in uppercase [26-Oct-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***NewGameWhoDis** left.* [26-Oct-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Michaelistic_Gaming** joined.* [26-Oct-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Michaelistic_Gaming**: hi [26-Oct-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: welcome to the game :) [26-Oct-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: happy to help, but definitely recommend going through the tutorial / videos (HELP, top right) [26-Oct-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: it's a slow game, but worth the investment, IMO [26-Oct-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Michaelistic_Gaming**: how do i make money [26-Oct-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you produce goods and fly them to the commodity exchange (CX) to sell [26-Oct-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: but don't fly too often or you'll burn all your profits on fuel [26-Oct-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Michaelistic_Gaming**: how [26-Oct-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Michaelistic_Gaming**: i am new i just started [26-Oct-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: HELP (top right) > production orders [26-Oct-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: or probably better HELP > video transmissions > Base Setup or Trading [26-Oct-21 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kernick**: I do quite a lot of shipping but have come across a new problem today [26-Oct-21 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kernick**: I have shipment in place at Moria Station but when I press fulfill I get a red msg report fulfillment attempted [26-Oct-21 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kernick**: shipment does not complete [26-Oct-21 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: The person you are delivering for doesn't have enough room in their inventory in Moria to be able to receive it [26-Oct-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: you'll need to reach out to them and either have them make some room or rent another warehouse [26-Oct-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: If you have attempted fulfillment your rating will not be affected by a contract breach. [26-Oct-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kernick**: thx for the info [26-Oct-21 05:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***CFile** joined.* [26-Oct-21 05:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CFile**: Hello, how do i know that i moved the items from the ship to the base? [26-Oct-21 05:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: You can open the cargohold from the ship and your base inventory and check [26-Oct-21 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: As for how you do that [26-Oct-21 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CFile**: so my base storage at 0,00/1,500 it's empty? [26-Oct-21 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Yes, id assume so [26-Oct-21 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: Open a new buffer and write FLT for fleet [26-Oct-21 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: and a nice box w two ships should show up [26-Oct-21 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CFile**: i think i already manage thanks [26-Oct-21 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: You are welcome [26-Oct-21 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: have fun ^^ [26-Oct-21 05:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: Hi, is it usually worth to buy PWO as beginner? Should I keep constant stock of it? [26-Oct-21 05:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MachineLizard**: @MagWizz, in general it's almost always worth to buy PWO; for COF it depends [26-Oct-21 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MachineLizard**: @MagWizz If you want to be 100% sure: you can calculate your revenue per day from factory (subtracting costs of ingredients), and see if additional cost of PWO exceeds ~10% of that, as this is the speed-up you get from PWO, if I recall correctly [26-Oct-21 06:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: @MachineLizard Thanks! [26-Oct-21 10:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Do inactive players bases remain forever? [26-Oct-21 10:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AussieSpaceman**: unless the COLIQ, most likely [26-Oct-21 10:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: no, inactives are removed regularly and their plots freed up [26-Oct-21 10:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: for people that only played a few days or less, it's 1 week of inactivity, I believe [26-Oct-21 10:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: more details somewhere in the official discord [26-Oct-21 10:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I think people who have played for a while have a longer grace period and I'm not sure what the length on Pro accounts is - possibly unlimited so long as they keep paying for Pro [26-Oct-21 10:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kovus**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#im-going-to-be-away-from-the-game-for-some-time-how-are-inactive-accounts-handled {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [27-Oct-21 02:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: know that an expired PRO still lets you accept shipping ads [27-Oct-21 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: If I add order to exchange and cancel do I all any money to fees or anything like that? [27-Oct-21 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: lose* [27-Oct-21 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: there are no fees on production. only transportation and storage can be seen as fees [27-Oct-21 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: also, mind that a big batch gives you the products only when its finished. you can instead start many small batches [27-Oct-21 02:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: you can freely cancel batches, dismantle buildings(as long as they are 100% durability). durability drops 1-2 days after it has been built [27-Oct-21 02:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: Yap, that is what I'm doing full queue with 1 unit orders. Thanks for help! [27-Oct-21 03:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: happy to help [27-Oct-21 03:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: just for the feedback - why did you ask about canceling? [27-Oct-21 03:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: Before going to sleep put on quite a few orders, but I see most of them got outbid for quite a difference, so it may take a while before I get them for price I wanted. [27-Oct-21 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Trepach**: adapting is a good call. thanks [27-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Halfchampion** joined.* [27-Oct-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mkxone**: when i set up screen, sometimes the width or height of windows gets coupled with the window next to it and sometimes not. [27-Oct-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, it depends on the order in which you split tiles [27-Oct-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mkxone**: can i manualy attach/free them? [27-Oct-21 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: not really other than rebuilding parts of the screen, splitting in a careful order [27-Oct-21 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I'd recommend making a new screen to practice on and get the hang of it first [27-Oct-21 12:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mkxone**: ok [27-Oct-21 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: mic check one two [27-Oct-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **amoliski**: *Microphone feedback screech* [27-Oct-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mkxone**: planet info and universe map fail to render :[ [27-Oct-21 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: "component failed to render"? if refresh doesn't work, some people have found success logging out and back in [27-Oct-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mkxone**: that did it, thx [27-Oct-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: How do you colonize other planets? [27-Oct-21 05:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: First have lots of capital. Then load ship with necessary materials, fly to other planet, click START BASE on that planet's PLI buffer. [27-Oct-21 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Click the button any time actually, to see the necessary materials. Click BUILD BASE after selecting a plot in that buffer to actually build a new base. [27-Oct-21 05:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***CryVelibe** joined.* [27-Oct-21 05:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CryVelibe**: hello [27-Oct-21 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Werek222** joined.* [27-Oct-21 07:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***GreenTeaUwU** joined.* [27-Oct-21 08:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***milte** joined.* [27-Oct-21 09:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Thugalicious** joined.* [27-Oct-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AussieSpaceman**: PSL.CI1 [27-Oct-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AussieSpaceman**: huh I cant find it in the CX [27-Oct-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: plastics category [27-Oct-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AussieSpaceman**: oh thanks im being stupid [27-Oct-21 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Skog** joined.* [27-Oct-21 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***EchoEtheral** joined.* [27-Oct-21 11:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **EchoEtheral**: Why aren't my extractors extracting Iron ore [27-Oct-21 11:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AussieSpaceman**: You have to set them to extract it in the production tab [27-Oct-21 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **EchoEtheral**: Yes I have workers [27-Oct-21 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **EchoEtheral**: I have 3 orders of Iron ore [27-Oct-21 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: have you moved the consumables from the ship to base inventory? [27-Oct-21 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **EchoEtheral**: Yes [27-Oct-21 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **EchoEtheral**: It was a glitch, I just refreshed its working now [27-Oct-21 11:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***InvictussCorp** joined.* [27-Oct-21 11:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***cheguevara420** joined.* [28-Oct-21 01:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: if i land two ships on a random planet can i exchange cargo between them [28-Oct-21 01:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***wikrsa** joined.* [28-Oct-21 02:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mattini** joined.* [28-Oct-21 03:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dominaria** joined.* [28-Oct-21 03:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: yes, but they must land not just orbit [28-Oct-21 03:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***G-Money** joined.* [28-Oct-21 03:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***J5892** joined.* [28-Oct-21 04:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dajtok** joined.* [28-Oct-21 04:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***CraneArmy** joined.* [28-Oct-21 06:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Raktos** joined.* [28-Oct-21 06:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rck971** joined.* [28-Oct-21 06:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rck971**: bonjour je suis nouveau et un peu perdue [28-Oct-21 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rck971** left.* [28-Oct-21 08:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***MeguDreadnaught** joined.* [28-Oct-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MeguDreadnaught**: hello, how do i restart my ui settings? [28-Oct-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MeguDreadnaught**: i x'ed all of the windows [28-Oct-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: You can't [28-Oct-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MeguDreadnaught**: uhh rip [28-Oct-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MeguDreadnaught**: how do i fix this [28-Oct-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Just click on the gear icon and use the command for what screen you want [28-Oct-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MeguDreadnaught**: ic [28-Oct-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: You can split the window by using the | or - to split horizontally or vertically [28-Oct-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: CMDS [28-Oct-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MeguDreadnaught**: ayt ayt thanks [28-Oct-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: for a list of commmands PLI, INV, FLT, PROD might be useful [28-Oct-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MeguDreadnaught**: how do i access the main panel? like the one u see from the very beginning [28-Oct-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MeguDreadnaught**: ah nvm its the base at the top left [28-Oct-21 10:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***FourWings** joined.* [28-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***MadDuckling** joined.* [28-Oct-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Nathan02** joined.* [28-Oct-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***diabeticboi1234** joined.* [28-Oct-21 01:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Nathan02** left.* [28-Oct-21 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***bitrunnr** deleted this message.* [28-Oct-21 02:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Are private contracts something being worked on by dev? I mean like a contract I create specifically targetting a player? [28-Oct-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Or maybe just ways to send monies [28-Oct-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: (I know the LM workaround) [28-Oct-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Nathan02** joined.* [28-Oct-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Nathan02** left.* [28-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kipododle** joined.* [28-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: how tf do you play this brujh [28-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Thats a loaded question [28-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: what do the shortened words mean [28-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Like RAT or DW? [28-Oct-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: 'act' and 'rmv' in experts [28-Oct-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Activate and remove [28-Oct-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: should i use those? [28-Oct-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i clicked activate as much as i could [28-Oct-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You can have 6 active experts, and up to 5 of one kind. They give bonuses to certain types of production [28-Oct-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: bro what is the goal of this [28-Oct-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Its an economy and production simulator. The goal is to grow and trade to make very complex things [28-Oct-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: now how do i do this [28-Oct-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Open a new buffer and type HELP. [28-Oct-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: It will show you some of the tutorial vids and production recommendations for whatever you chose. Then just try to play it [28-Oct-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i picked metal man [28-Oct-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: is that good [28-Oct-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yeah everything is needed [28-Oct-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i need to be [28-Oct-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: all of them? [28-Oct-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: šŸ¤˜ [28-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: No you can focus on smelting if you would prefer [28-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: so this is just capitalistic monopoly simulator? [28-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: basically [28-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: how far right do you politically lean? [28-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: There are logistics in moving items and making deals as it all happens in real time [28-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Me personally? [28-Oct-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: yes [28-Oct-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I lean fairly left i would say why [28-Oct-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: oh epic [28-Oct-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Why does that matter [28-Oct-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: this feels like a right leaning game [28-Oct-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: it doesnt [28-Oct-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I dont understand. Its just a market game, there are politics in running governments on different planets but the game itself is neutral [28-Oct-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: yeah it doesnt matter anyway, what do i do after moving stuff from cargo to inv [28-Oct-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions/#victualler {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions/ Packages and factions :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [28-Oct-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Recommendations on buildings to build based on your starter package. [28-Oct-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: From there you need to decide what to make and what items you need for that. [28-Oct-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: how do i build smthn [28-Oct-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: BS in the left bar to open your bases. View and then Construct [28-Oct-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i built an extractor! [28-Oct-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Nice now you can go into production and set your extractor to dig stuff up for you. [28-Oct-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: it says it's halted [28-Oct-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: When you go to your base, what does it say your current workforce capacity is? [28-Oct-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: 200 pioneers [28-Oct-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i think [28-Oct-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: So you built your HB1s too? [28-Oct-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: what's a hb1 [28-Oct-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Its in Construct > Infrastructure. Its basically housing for workers [28-Oct-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i built one [28-Oct-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Do you have your RATs, DW, and OVE in your base inventory too? [28-Oct-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: and a smelter [28-Oct-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i have all of those [28-Oct-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: When you say your production says halted, is it both the EXT and SME or just the SME? [28-Oct-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: it no longer says that [28-Oct-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: now just 0% done [28-Oct-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Oh good [28-Oct-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: 16 1/2 hours [28-Oct-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i also queued it like 5 times [28-Oct-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yeah its definitely a longer paced game [28-Oct-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: so now what mr. Genius [28-Oct-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: If you decide to try Pro in the future, you can set the orders to re-occur [28-Oct-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: do i just, look at my fancy looking interface now? [28-Oct-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Well now you need to figure out how to make money. And how to supply the essential upkeep items for your workers [28-Oct-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: ok. [28-Oct-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: And how to buy the items you need to run your machines and then there is transporting the items to sell [28-Oct-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: how do i do that [28-Oct-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Which part [28-Oct-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: make money [28-Oct-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: that sounds useful [28-Oct-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheDoctor1786** joined.* [28-Oct-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: If you click on CXL on the left side bar you can pull up the exchange that is probably closest to you and look at the market. [28-Oct-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: what ones nearest me [28-Oct-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: none are on my planet [28-Oct-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i'm on montem [28-Oct-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: They are all like space stations. Yours would be MORIA [28-Oct-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i clicked on that [28-Oct-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Its in the same system as Montem so flights are like maybe 10-8 hours? [28-Oct-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: so what do i do now [28-Oct-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: what is NCC [28-Oct-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Figure out how to make money. You have an EXT pulling up probably LST and maybe FEO? [28-Oct-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: NCC is your local currency. There are four [28-Oct-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: do i have any? [28-Oct-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: On the left click SDBR to open the right side bar. It should have your cash balances [28-Oct-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I think you start with like 30-40k? [28-Oct-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i have 45k [28-Oct-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: should i buy ALE? buy the low? [28-Oct-21 03:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: So if you open a new buffer and go to BUI SME you can see the smelter and all the things you can make and what is needed. If you are pulling up FEO in your EXT, there are a couple options to smelting it into FE [28-Oct-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i have lost the new buffer option [28-Oct-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You can smelt it with Carbon and Oxygen but you would need to buy those items. You can also add FLX (a chemical product) to make the smelting a bit more efficient I think [28-Oct-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Is BFRS lit up on the left side? [28-Oct-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: it is now thx [28-Oct-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i need FLX [28-Oct-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kipododle** deleted this message.* [28-Oct-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Its under chemicals [28-Oct-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: FLX.NC1 [28-Oct-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: and some moire carbon and oxygen [28-Oct-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Spreadsheets are your friend [28-Oct-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: how do i buy those? [28-Oct-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: none of the stations sell them [28-Oct-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: i have ordered 50 [28-Oct-21 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: for 90 [28-Oct-21 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: im starting to get it [28-Oct-21 03:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: my contract is pending [28-Oct-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kipododle**: im gonna go play apex legends i may be back [28-Oct-21 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***rocketmanne** joined.* [28-Oct-21 03:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: hey real quick if I've VERY recently just started and immediately worrying I've picked a bad planet to start on is there an easy way totally reset and start again? [28-Oct-21 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Taran99y**: the command COLIQ lets you start over completely [28-Oct-21 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: but better to play a while and learn first imo [28-Oct-21 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: thanks guys [28-Oct-21 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Taran99y**: yes I agree, you can learn more and then still reset [28-Oct-21 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: ive noticed that I didn't pick one of the recomeded one for my package [28-Oct-21 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: went and checked the recomended planet on the map and thought 'yup thats better' [28-Oct-21 03:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: but you reckon I oughta stick it out? [28-Oct-21 03:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: It really depends [28-Oct-21 03:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: If you feel you have a much better grasp and could benefit more from restarting right now, go for it [28-Oct-21 03:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: but if you want time to play around and make mistakes, a company you are going to liquidate anyway is a good start [28-Oct-21 03:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: the thing is I grabbed the farming package and the planet im on has crap water, and looking at how much h2o imma need later for hydroponics had me real worried [28-Oct-21 03:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: my rigs take 5 and a half hours to extrat water, and i get the sense that that hella slow [28-Oct-21 03:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: many farmers just buy h2o rather than pump it themselves [28-Oct-21 03:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: if you're on a planet with a CoGC (Chamber of Global Commerce) that focuses on agri, that's a pretty sweet start for a farmer even if you have to buy your own h2o [28-Oct-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yeah it may just be more profitable to reclaim the rig and try to build another farm and work on shipping H2O in. [28-Oct-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: What planet are you on? [28-Oct-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: im on valla in the moria system [28-Oct-21 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: oops thats vallis [28-Oct-21 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yeah I think you lose money extracting water on Vallis [28-Oct-21 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: i mean i notice its got oxygen and iron so I guess i could look into steel? [28-Oct-21 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can demolish your rigs and just buy water instead... scrap those bfabs for the next frm or smth [28-Oct-21 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: o ye [28-Oct-21 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: smelting is decent [28-Oct-21 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: is water just dirt cheap most of the time? [28-Oct-21 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: H2O.NC1 [28-Oct-21 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: 20NCC/u is roughly the norm [28-Oct-21 04:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: in MOR it is closer to 22-23 most of the time [28-Oct-21 04:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: i usually try to import mine from HRT for the HYF's [28-Oct-21 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: really? eh didnt know i usually sell my extras on Verdant LM at 20/u [28-Oct-21 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: ok well it seems like I got options consider and hurdles to overcome, I won't reset [28-Oct-21 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: are you on montem or vallis? [28-Oct-21 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: vallis [28-Oct-21 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: the fertility bonus is whats harder on you [28-Oct-21 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: as a farmer vallis is....not great [28-Oct-21 04:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: promitor and verdant are better starting worlds to farm on, vallis and montem are better for smelting [28-Oct-21 04:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: just play for a few days first to understand how things work, clear any doubts and might as well plan for your next run before COLIQ [28-Oct-21 04:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: is there a list of the uses for all materials? For example, I can't find what RSH.NC1 is used for. [28-Oct-21 04:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: jucool thanks very much [28-Oct-21 04:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: would recommend giving it a few days to learn how the systems work [28-Oct-21 04:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: here's a spreadsheet of starting industries and planets and their current suitability: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit PU Community Start Demand Starter planets and default companies Region,Starter,Victualler,Carbon farmer,Metallurgist,Constructor Planet,General planet notes,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long NEO Charter Exploration,Montem,Full or nearly full,Average,High,High,... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/A_Um5xPrpbfuDOWM6A8V3rN9H6_fTs0OJLGCdB1xKQI/https/lh6.googleusercontent.com/osarEj3napyLrYxTAaOvKNfZgz9wHJFmBcMUSwR8IbN26fFcwaiFyFUhGza1GHtLb7b5zhIhk_mvsQ%3Dw1200-h630-p [28-Oct-21 04:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: MAT.RSH is what you are looking for [28-Oct-21 04:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: do you mind if I ask... how much does the extraction time for resources vary? [28-Oct-21 04:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: MAT RSH rather [28-Oct-21 04:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: so for water ive got 5 and half hours bc the bar is near empty, if it were near full roughly how long we talkin'? [28-Oct-21 04:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can compare extraction rates per day for various planets using https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch or https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/planetsearch [28-Oct-21 04:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: extraction depends on deposit concentration, that link above is indeed helpful [28-Oct-21 04:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: cheers [28-Oct-21 04:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: I did find MAT RSH. The description says "Shielding to protect crew and cargo from radiation environments." I assumed that means it is for shipbuilding but I pulled up BLU and couldn't find a ship configuration that uses it. [28-Oct-21 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: the time doesnt change from the concentration... it changes from the efficiency % [28-Oct-21 04:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: good point, Ogrebeef. I would have expected it to be a radiation shield option, but none of them seem to require it; they require other anti-radiation materials [28-Oct-21 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: that is interesting [28-Oct-21 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: RSH is useless atm [28-Oct-21 04:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: MTC (megatube coating) was the only truly useless product I was aware of up to this point, maybe have to add RSH to that list [28-Oct-21 04:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Why would they include a "useless" production item in the game? [28-Oct-21 04:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: game is still in development [28-Oct-21 04:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: probably got added and they havnt looped it in yet [28-Oct-21 04:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: JUI is also useless atm [28-Oct-21 04:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Maybe it is to introduce a scammer element to the game. I should produce some RSH then try to trick someone into buying it from me. [28-Oct-21 04:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: that smells uber endgame [28-Oct-21 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: reminds me of the high g cocktail from the expanse [28-Oct-21 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Yeah, JUI says it is for special high-g seats but the high-g seats in BLU don't require JUI. [28-Oct-21 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Maybe it is a consumption item you will have to have onboard in order to make use of the high-g seats. [28-Oct-21 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: that would be the idea in my mind [28-Oct-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: I think they got the idea for JUI from "Expanse". [28-Oct-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: that would also mean those ships gonna take a decent amount just to fly though [28-Oct-21 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: think of it like the spice from DUNE, if the speed difference was big enough people would pay high prices for it [28-Oct-21 05:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Pooteen** joined.* [28-Oct-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Spaceguyroy**: what does a Rig produce? water? [28-Oct-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Whatever liquid, if any, your planet has [28-Oct-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: EXTs do solid, RIG liquid, COL gas [28-Oct-21 08:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***knatwr** joined.* [28-Oct-21 10:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Citronnade** joined.* [28-Oct-21 10:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: just started the game and [28-Oct-21 10:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: did the production order thing. do I just wait 24 hours now until I can do more stuff besides reading documentation? [28-Oct-21 10:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kovus**: @Citronnade: It is a pretty slow game. [28-Oct-21 10:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kovus**: So, apart from the tutorials, reading docs, and conversing with other players, it will be pretty slow action-wise when you first start. [28-Oct-21 10:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: oh wait I can ~build~ more stuff [28-Oct-21 10:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: and dump my starting money on resources to ~build even more stuff [28-Oct-21 10:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yes, but make sure to prioritize inputs and worker consumables over new buildings. [28-Oct-21 10:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Also, queue small jobs so you have flexibility [28-Oct-21 10:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: am I unable to employ settlers if I don't have settler housing, for example? [28-Oct-21 10:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: i think so [28-Oct-21 10:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: you could also sell SF fuel and FF fuel to the market to turn into more stuff as well [28-Oct-21 10:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: just remember to keep enough to get your ships back to the planet and youll want at least 1 to be able to buy things you might need from the cx [28-Oct-21 10:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***lordcirth** deleted this message.* [28-Oct-21 10:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @Citronnade Yes. Don't go for settlers yet, they require more investment [28-Oct-21 11:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***zappy907** joined.* [28-Oct-21 11:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: well uh [28-Oct-21 11:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: if I go bankrupt from poor investment choices [28-Oct-21 11:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: at least I only lost a day or two of progress LOL [29-Oct-21 12:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **zappy907**: I'm a Manufacturer, can I make a Metallurgy building? [29-Oct-21 12:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: of course, you can build anything you want. but you should take into consideration what the building will get you (output + profits) and what it will need + how you will manage resources [29-Oct-21 12:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Citronnade** deleted this message.* [29-Oct-21 12:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: tfw you start as fuel engineer and fuel refining is less profitable than just mining hydrogen [29-Oct-21 12:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: when starting out do you typically just go on shipping runs to buy your resources or should you focus on being self-sufficient? is it even possible to be self-sufficient with the areas available for bases? [29-Oct-21 12:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you could be completely self sufficient with 5+ bases (or so, idk), but it depends on how you define self-sufficient, do you make all income products yourself or just food (+ other workforce goods?) [29-Oct-21 12:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you should do what is best for you, you can expand to make your own food f.e or you could expand to make more goods and buy food with the profits [29-Oct-21 12:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***YouIsMe** joined.* [29-Oct-21 01:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Fauxwise** joined.* [29-Oct-21 01:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: is there a way to see what the production template is of a natural resource is without having a collector/extractor/rig? [29-Oct-21 01:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: e.g. I see that collector is no inputs -> 6h but the template for H production makes 3 and I can't find documentation on that anywhere [29-Oct-21 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PawnStorm**: @Citro you can model the planet on the base planner s/s link from here [29-Oct-21 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PawnStorm**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [29-Oct-21 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: yeah, I found that--super helpful! [29-Oct-21 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PawnStorm**: or find it in the planet searcher [29-Oct-21 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PawnStorm**: https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch [29-Oct-21 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PawnStorm**: The base planner spreadsheet is very useful. [29-Oct-21 03:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Tatcubifs** joined.* [29-Oct-21 04:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***LeoG** joined.* [29-Oct-21 05:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mileko** joined.* [29-Oct-21 06:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***flatduckz** joined.* [29-Oct-21 08:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: how does the fio account thing work? [29-Oct-21 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: do i make an account somewhere? [29-Oct-21 08:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Totwe** joined.* [29-Oct-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: When you install the extension for it, it walks you through the account creation process [29-Oct-21 08:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: right, looks like i gotta reinstall it then [29-Oct-21 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Setup link if you need to access it again: https://fio.fnar.net/setup [29-Oct-21 10:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***SagarasJoj** joined.* [29-Oct-21 10:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***OlenPorvari** joined.* [29-Oct-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***JefferoouIz** joined.* [29-Oct-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **JefferoouIz**: HI [29-Oct-21 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Carlosuss** joined.* [29-Oct-21 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kovus**: Hello there. [29-Oct-21 11:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: welcome to the game! [29-Oct-21 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Denormos Refresh APEX after install [29-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***MattiVR** joined.* [29-Oct-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Carlosuss**: before i buy something from a station do i need a ship there to grab it? [29-Oct-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: If you buy it ahead of time it will be put into a contract for you [29-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Carlosuss**: okay cool, thanks [29-Oct-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***cavedogpdx** joined.* [29-Oct-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Heniu** joined.* [29-Oct-21 02:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Heniu**: Hi all :) [29-Oct-21 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Heniu**: How to find nearest commodities exchange? [29-Oct-21 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Heniu** left.* [29-Oct-21 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Heniu** joined.* [29-Oct-21 02:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: Hello @Heniu [29-Oct-21 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: I see that you started with the Castillo-Ito faction. This means the closest station to you is BEN (benten) [29-Oct-21 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Heniu**: Thanks for answer, but how you can check it? [29-Oct-21 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: You can display the exchanges on the universe map MU NAV [29-Oct-21 02:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: also you can view all 4 CX exchanges on the "CXL" buffer which is permanently linked at the left of the screen [29-Oct-21 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Heniu**: I have turn on exchanges on map but nothing apears [29-Oct-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***SevenFortuna** joined.* [29-Oct-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***HExXX** joined.* [29-Oct-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***HExXX** left.* [29-Oct-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mjewkes**: hq [29-Oct-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***RainBoo** joined.* [29-Oct-21 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Jasiinhell** joined.* [29-Oct-21 04:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: does building cost for aef round up or down? [29-Oct-21 04:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: afaik all costs round up [29-Oct-21 04:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: atleast some good new [29-Oct-21 04:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: settling a gas giant is expensive QQ [29-Oct-21 04:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: tell me about it, i'll arrive at my 5th base location in 7.5h. between AEF and INS it's a mighty expensive base [29-Oct-21 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***OrganicGhosts** joined.* [29-Oct-21 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***OrganicGhosts** left.* [29-Oct-21 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***OrganicGhosts** joined.* [29-Oct-21 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***lightbringerazazel** joined.* [29-Oct-21 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***lightbringerazazel** left.* [29-Oct-21 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***GammaDumb** joined.* [29-Oct-21 09:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **YouIsMe**: hi, how to have storage to sell items? [29-Oct-21 09:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **YouIsMe**: in commodity exchange [29-Oct-21 09:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: You have to put your goods on a ship and fly them to the CX to sell them [29-Oct-21 09:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: you need to bring the items to the CX, via a ship, or if you want to store the items at the CX you can rent a warehouse there (useful to do anyway) [29-Oct-21 09:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Paul_Schmidtt** joined.* [29-Oct-21 10:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **YouIsMe**: thanks [29-Oct-21 11:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Trixer** joined.* [29-Oct-21 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Magic_Butter** joined.* [29-Oct-21 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Magic_Butter**: What should i do? I set up the buildings but after that Iā€™m not sure what to produce [30-Oct-21 12:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: What buildings? [30-Oct-21 12:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: What starter kit did you pick? [30-Oct-21 12:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: If you are on Vallis, probably you are mining and smelting? [30-Oct-21 12:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Magic_Butter**: Manufacturing and incinerator bmp and collecter and no [30-Oct-21 12:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Did you figure it all out @magic_butter? [30-Oct-21 01:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Magic_Butter**: what do u mean [30-Oct-21 01:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Just making sure you didnt have any questions [30-Oct-21 01:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Magic_Butter**: Ok thank u [30-Oct-21 03:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Carlosuss**: i bought some things from benten station and my ships jsut got there, how to i load up my purchases? [30-Oct-21 03:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Magic_Butter**: Check your contracts [30-Oct-21 03:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Carlosuss**: found it thanks [30-Oct-21 05:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Forseral**: How is it possible for a building to have a negative book value? [30-Oct-21 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Do you make your own prefabs / MCG? [30-Oct-21 05:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: It seems to count the value of inventory you made yourself as 0, and then if you build something with that, it could start at 0 total value. [30-Oct-21 05:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Perhaps it then subtracts the cost of repairs, leading to negative total? [30-Oct-21 05:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Floxzys** joined.* [30-Oct-21 05:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: i make my prefabs myself for some time now and a lot of the buildings have a book value of 0, so i would guess the repair cost gets calculated based on the 'price' of the fabs you have in you base inv, so if you bought some it could get negative [30-Oct-21 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Magniloquence** joined.* [30-Oct-21 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Magniloquence** left.* [30-Oct-21 10:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***AlexGera** joined.* [30-Oct-21 10:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***AlexGera** left.* [30-Oct-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: i know i asked this question yesterday already, but do i actually have to make a fio account somewhere? [30-Oct-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i think if you install the plugin and then click its little icon in the plugin tray it'll direct you to account creation [30-Oct-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: didnt work for me after i reinstalled it [30-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: pretty sure it does it that way so it can sense your prun user id to link your account to your prun account correctly [30-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: hmm, are you on the PCT discord? [30-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: nope, got a link? [30-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: sure, one sec [30-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: thanks [30-Oct-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: https://discord.gg/BhcHHAs6 [30-Oct-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: fio->extension channel is prob the best place to ask. or even just #general [30-Oct-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: yup, thanks [30-Oct-21 11:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yw [30-Oct-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Naiara** joined.* [30-Oct-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Naiara**: Hi ! I am a new player and I just mesed up the screens. How can O restore the initiel screens and go back to the tutorial? [30-Oct-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Unfortunately, there isn't a way to restore. You'll eventually get familiar enough to be able to put things back yourself, but admittedly that's a tall order for a new player. [30-Oct-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: You can restart if you like and restore it back to the beginning that way [30-Oct-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: To do so, click NEW BFR (bottom left) and type COLIQ. Confirm, and refresh browser [30-Oct-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Naiara**: OK. I will do. Thanks (crossing fingers...) [30-Oct-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Naiara**: It works. The tutorial doesn run. Is it possible to restart it again? [30-Oct-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I haven't heard of a way. HELP (top right) lists the steps that it would take you through, though admittedly it doesn't prompt in the same way [30-Oct-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Naiara**: If not, doesn't matter. I will read de Handbook [30-Oct-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Naiara**: I appreciate your support, Zizzleswomp.Thank you very much [30-Oct-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: welcome to the game! It's great; don't let a few annoyances at the start dissuade you from enjoying it [30-Oct-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Naiara**: No, no, I know that the first steps will be hard, sometime frustrating...but it's only the beggining [30-Oct-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Thaurgo** joined.* [30-Oct-21 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Thaurgo**: Trying to sell some FTL fuel at the Benten Station Commodity Exchange I just get the message "Please provide a storage location." umm do I need to build a storage to store all the cash or what? :P [30-Oct-21 04:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: I am pretty sure there is a command to bring up the tutorial, but I have forgotten, sorry [30-Oct-21 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: HINT [30-Oct-21 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: I think [30-Oct-21 04:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: HELP is also great, but more for general stuff [30-Oct-21 05:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: @thaurgo you need a warehouse on benten station. WAR BEN should bring it up [30-Oct-21 06:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: @thaurgo when you get that message as a new player, it almost always means you're trying to sell directly from your base inventory. You have to put the stuff you want to sell on a ship and fly it to the CX to sell it [30-Oct-21 06:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: ^ to sell anything at cx, it needs to be physically present at the station. for SF if you're trying to sell the contents of your fuel tanks you'll need to move the portion to sell out of the fuel tank and into inventory (the fuel tanks open just like any other inventory and you can drag/drop fuel into or out of them) [30-Oct-21 06:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: *either SF or FF, naturally [30-Oct-21 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: Is -7,077 a lot of expense for someone who started a week ago? [30-Oct-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: And also should I get a warehouse this early? [30-Oct-21 07:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: And I also don't understand local markets very well... [30-Oct-21 08:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: You start with 35k(?) for a reason. Don't be afraid to invest it quickly. A warehouse on your CX is cheap and very handy. [30-Oct-21 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: I used most of my initial money for buildings and saved 1-2k for supplies and it has worked pretty well [30-Oct-21 09:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Goresh**: Did you sell your extra fuel? [30-Oct-21 09:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **iBowl125**: Hello! I ordered two separate requests of 100 DW at my CX and only 100 units are in my inventory. Any insight? [30-Oct-21 09:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: What CX? [30-Oct-21 09:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: They might not have both been filled [30-Oct-21 09:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can check status via CXOS [30-Oct-21 09:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **iBowl125**: Both orders are marked as "filled" [30-Oct-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can check CONT and INV to see if it's somewhere there [30-Oct-21 10:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: My assumption is that one is sitting in imaginary inv space in your "CONT" [30-Oct-21 10:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **iBowl125**: Yup! That was it. Why did it one order load on to my ship automatically while the other order stayed in storage? [30-Oct-21 10:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: did your ship arrive kind-of around the same time that your CX orders were up? If the ship was unavailable for one fulfillment and then arrived before the next one, it could happen that way [30-Oct-21 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **iBowl125**: oh cool, yeah that's probably what happened [30-Oct-21 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kusimus** joined.* [31-Oct-21 12:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***13udz** joined.* [31-Oct-21 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Neralath**: how to u tag planets in a chat? [31-Oct-21 03:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***AJK4rma** joined.* [31-Oct-21 04:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***BradWilder** joined.* [31-Oct-21 04:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***HExXX** joined.* [31-Oct-21 04:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: Hi, [31-Oct-21 04:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: So far enjoying the game. If I would invite friend to play is there any way for us to cooperate? [31-Oct-21 04:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: As far as I know there is no direct trading and so on. [31-Oct-21 04:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: hi one question. if i upgrade the HQ to level 2 and then i moved to another planet it mantains the upgrade or it go back to level 1??? [31-Oct-21 05:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rinse** joined.* [31-Oct-21 05:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: @MagWizz https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#is-there-any-way-to-trade-wares-privately + the one below that {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [31-Oct-21 07:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: For that both of us would need PRO correct? [31-Oct-21 07:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yep [31-Oct-21 07:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Cyatica** joined.* [31-Oct-21 07:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **MagWizz**: @IDKanything Thanks! [31-Oct-21 08:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***OMadison** joined.* [31-Oct-21 08:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OMadison**: hi i am a manufacturer do the materials for the starter base buildings not come with the flights? [31-Oct-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Jasiinhell**: they are in the ship cargo [31-Oct-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: they do, you will have to move them from your ship to your base inv via the inv command [31-Oct-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OMadison**: ohhh thank you sorry i forgot theres 2 ships aha [31-Oct-21 08:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: so inv -> open 'cargo hold' from your ship and 'base storage' and just move them :D [31-Oct-21 10:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: hi one question, if i upgrade the HQ to level 2 in one planet and then i want to move my HQ to another planet the upgrade stays or it desapears in the new planet?? [31-Oct-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: the hq keeps its current level when moved [31-Oct-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: thx for the answer :) [31-Oct-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: np [31-Oct-21 11:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***AlexGera** joined.* [31-Oct-21 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***RedMurder** joined.* [31-Oct-21 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: um [31-Oct-21 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: it seeems like someone i was delivering to quit? [31-Oct-21 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: i mean they paid me [31-Oct-21 12:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: so thats cool [31-Oct-21 12:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: but uh my contracts are messed up [31-Oct-21 12:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **XerWolf**: nm i just needed to relog [31-Oct-21 01:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***PrimeMinisterSinister** joined.* [31-Oct-21 01:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Tazmenian** joined.* [31-Oct-21 04:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***NOPper** joined.* [31-Oct-21 04:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **NOPper**: OK stupid question, forgive me I've been here like 5mins. I accidentally closed the UI tutorial in the middle of it. Any way to reopen the tiles I was being taught? Or like totally start over? [31-Oct-21 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: NEW BFR -> HINT [31-Oct-21 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: oh maybe that's not UI tutorial [31-Oct-21 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: do you mean the video tutorials? [31-Oct-21 04:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: that's TRA [31-Oct-21 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: or you can open the HELP buffer and it might have the link you want [31-Oct-21 04:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **NOPper**: Whatever opened up automatically when I first logged in. I closed the tiles it was explaing and have no idea how to get anything back because I don't know what any of this is yet lol [31-Oct-21 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: You should watch the video tutorials [31-Oct-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you can mostly figure it out just by clicking around -- i'm not sure which screen exactly (because i don't think it existed when i started) -- but you should be able to get by without it by looking at the other help stuff [31-Oct-21 04:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: That base screen had your planet info PLI, FLT, INV, MU, and the COMP channels if that helps [31-Oct-21 04:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the full list of commands is under CMDS on the left nav, tutorial or no it's helpful to open that and look through or try all the ones you can just to see what's available [31-Oct-21 04:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and play with manipulating buffers by hovering over the gear icon at the top right of each one and trying the split (-- or |) buttons and dragging and dropping buffers between tiles [31-Oct-21 06:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***CawlImper** joined.* [31-Oct-21 08:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rauxy** joined.* [31-Oct-21 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***geminize** joined.* [31-Oct-21 08:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***SnuSnu1000** joined.* [31-Oct-21 08:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***SnuSnu1000** left.* [31-Oct-21 10:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: What does negative fertility mean? [31-Oct-21 10:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I believe you cant grow crops there [31-Oct-21 10:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: You can, it's just slower than baseline [31-Oct-21 11:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: I see [01-Nov-21 08:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: recommendations for 2nd base? 1st is Prom Farm/fp/inc combo [01-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: @Nirces That's a tough question to answer because a second base is usually constructed with a particular goal in mind [01-Nov-21 09:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: What do you need to take your production to the next level? [01-Nov-21 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: And can you think of something you can sell for a lot of money, so that it becomes worth the expense [01-Nov-21 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: just gotta keep on building production buildings and selling your products [01-Nov-21 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: construction prefabs generally produce decent income [01-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: but as long as you aren't selling your stuff for less than it cost to make it then you can make money on pretty much anything [01-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: The market is growing as we grow..."the river I step into is not the river I stand in" -- the market offers hints as to what commodities are GOING TO BE in demand. In Canada we call it "go to where the puck is GOING TO BE" [01-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: Of particular interest is what prefabs and planetary requirements for harsh conditions are available. Also, there is a robust market for settler essentials and their luxury market is booming...but technician gear sits on the shelves. And we've still got engineers and scientists to supply before we have a fully-realized society. [01-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: And shipbuilding is a whole new racket that has no precedent...the universe is so young everyone's still on their first set of shoes -- I mean, hull plates. [01-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: ships bottleneck the growth of the galactic billionaires...who knows what kraken shipbuilding will release. [01-Nov-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***ZvanY** joined.* [01-Nov-21 11:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ccoul**: So how can i fill an order at moria station. I can see the order that needs filling. but when i click on the order. it just gives me order information. I know there has to be an easy answer. But apparently its beyond my meager brain. Sorry and thanks [01-Nov-21 12:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: A CX order? You place a matching order with CXPO [01-Nov-21 12:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ccoul**: ok thanks [01-Nov-21 12:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @ccoul: There's a bunch of buttons on the top-right of each buffer sometimes. When you mouse over, it should say stuff like "Place Order" for CXPO [01-Nov-21 12:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ccoul**: thanks so much! i [01-Nov-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***MeOmy** joined.* [01-Nov-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MeOmy**: Do I have to send my ship to pickup goods at a base? [01-Nov-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MeOmy**: I thought that I purchased carbon\hydrogen.... [01-Nov-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: the supplies you bought are at the CX, not on planet, you need to send the ship to go get them [01-Nov-21 02:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **MeOmy**: Hmmm...seems like its going to take me 4 hours to go and get hte stuff ;( [01-Nov-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: would recommend using as little fuel as possible, most trips are 12-30 hours for that kind of flight [01-Nov-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: basically slide the fuel slider all the way to the left and then start inching it over until you hit 12-24 hours [01-Nov-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: dont burn unnecessary fuel unless you REALLY need to [01-Nov-21 03:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Bitburg** joined.* [01-Nov-21 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bitburg**: I have an 'F' rating and have no idea why...I just joined a week ago and have only set up my base. [01-Nov-21 03:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: @bitburg you will only get a rating with pro [01-Nov-21 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BlackSyst3m** joined.* [01-Nov-21 04:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BlackSyst3m** left.* [01-Nov-21 04:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Dont you normally just have a U rating if you are the free accounts? If it says F, they probably have pro. [01-Nov-21 04:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Checked their company, it's U [01-Nov-21 05:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Attractor** joined.* [01-Nov-21 05:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: O brother [01-Nov-21 05:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Attractor** left.* [01-Nov-21 05:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Misphire** joined.* [01-Nov-21 07:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Carnas** joined.* [01-Nov-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***nathanluvnigro** joined.* [01-Nov-21 08:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***zultor** joined.* [02-Nov-21 01:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Sorry logged in from phone and directly got the mobile version. There was a way to foce showing desktop version. How ? [02-Nov-21 02:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Found it. Its a browser setting.... much better that way [02-Nov-21 04:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Hearder** joined.* [02-Nov-21 06:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **nathanluvnigro**: i just started and i acidently skipped the tutorial how do I start? [02-Nov-21 06:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **koccs**: open a NEW BFR at left bottom of the screen, then type TRA [02-Nov-21 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Lol yeah, the mobile version sucks [02-Nov-21 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Kind of a complete waste of designer time/effort/money [02-Nov-21 06:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: anyone have an issue with opening pending contracts [02-Nov-21 06:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: ? [02-Nov-21 07:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: is bad as hell [02-Nov-21 07:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: yeah i have the same problem Jameskillar98@ [02-Nov-21 07:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: tip in a new tab CONTS to manually fullfil orders [02-Nov-21 07:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: How do you get more ships as a free user? [02-Nov-21 07:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: you have to buy the components and build it on a shipyard [02-Nov-21 07:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: i think now its only possible to build STL ships with no FTL cappabilities [02-Nov-21 07:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kradon** joined.* [02-Nov-21 08:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***QuantumState** joined.* [02-Nov-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Tea-Rex** joined.* [02-Nov-21 08:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Vraith** joined.* [02-Nov-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Tea-Rex**: how to assign workers to farms [02-Nov-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: They'll automatically assign themselves iirc [02-Nov-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: So long as you've got the habitation space for them [02-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Tea-Rex**: ah, thats what was missing [02-Nov-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Brobot9000**: just a question on your base's workforce - it seems i've gotten a few experts over the weeks and i was wondering if i need to do anything for them separate from general workforce consumables? or do experts not have extra consumable requirements? [02-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: no extra requirements [02-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: they're just free multipliers, though you can only have so many active, so once you get enough, you have to choose which to activate/deactivate [02-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Brobot9000**: ah, okay, awesome! thanks zizzle, i appreciate it :) [02-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: I realized, that since the update this morning While opening SDBR and clicking on the contracts (view) nothing happens anymore. Neither on phone nor on a PC. [02-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Is it only my issue (if not I will post it in forum) [02-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: known issue, hot fix coming later today, apparently [02-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Good to know :-) [02-Nov-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Did not check the chats recently but it seems I am not alone with my problem. [02-Nov-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Aufricer**: Another question. Can I contribute to a project on a planet that is unsettled ? [02-Nov-21 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: hey I have a quick question about upgrading my HQ... [02-Nov-21 04:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: on the upgrade interface it shows the efficiency gains the new level would give me [02-Nov-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: are those the ADDITIONAL % i would get as well as what my current lvl give or just what the new total would be? [02-Nov-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: new total [02-Nov-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **rocketmanne**: thanks [02-Nov-21 04:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***VioletCancer** joined.* [02-Nov-21 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***iklo** joined.* [02-Nov-21 07:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: Is it good to find a corporation early on? [02-Nov-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: And if yes where can I find one? [02-Nov-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: It depends. It can be a good way to find community and resources to grow, but also does limit what you can do depending on who you join. [02-Nov-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: The UFO discord (community run discord) has a recruitment section [02-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Corps often have tighter communities, lower prices, and better supplies than the public market, but usually at the cost of obligations to them [02-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Pioneer-N3RD** deleted this message.* [02-Nov-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Producing something and selling it for a lower rate than market rate for example. So even though C goes for 300+ on the CX, I sell it for significantly less to my corp mates, but also can buy everything else for less. And my expansion should be first and foremost directed towards helping the corp [02-Nov-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP [02-Nov-21 08:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Any way to check how much a Commodity is selling per day in the CX? [02-Nov-21 08:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Arcanum_Acolythus** joined.* [02-Nov-21 08:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arcanum_Acolythus**: Good evening everyone, I'm new here [02-Nov-21 08:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Arcanum_Acolythus**: Any tips or advice? [02-Nov-21 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Read through the handbook and explore the community resources. Join the UFO discord too! [02-Nov-21 09:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: The videos are immensely helpful for getting the basics down, then its the fun of exploring and experimenting, and most of all waiting.... [02-Nov-21 10:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Majestic_Turtle** joined.* [02-Nov-21 10:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***KenFair** joined.* [03-Nov-21 12:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***andyk20** joined.* [03-Nov-21 03:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***k0001c98** joined.* [03-Nov-21 03:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lungefrankie**: ive been gone for four days, why cant i pick up my order at moria station? [03-Nov-21 03:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lungefrankie**: its shown as a contract [03-Nov-21 03:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lungefrankie**: and i have a warehouse there [03-Nov-21 04:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **zappy907**: You need to send a ship [03-Nov-21 04:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **zappy907**: to get the cargo [03-Nov-21 04:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **zappy907**: then hit fulfill once it's there [03-Nov-21 05:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lungefrankie**: i was just being dumb, cargo was WAY full. Had to just rent a couple more warehouses [03-Nov-21 06:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Plasmabug** joined.* [03-Nov-21 07:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: whats ECD currency ? [03-Nov-21 07:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: a currency that is not in use yet [03-Nov-21 08:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: whats it gonna be for ? factionless something ? [03-Nov-21 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: It was used in the previous universe. They probably just kept it in case they need it for something in this universe [03-Nov-21 08:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: thx [03-Nov-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Azido**: I need help, I'm trying to sell my iron but the 'place order' window keeps giving me the message "insufficient inventory" [03-Nov-21 08:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: sounds like u are buying something ? [03-Nov-21 08:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Azido**: selling [03-Nov-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: does it show your iron in the trade window [03-Nov-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Azido**: nvm I got it, turns out I had the wrong ship selected [03-Nov-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: great [03-Nov-21 10:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sarunax** joined.* [03-Nov-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***jakjakatta** joined.* [03-Nov-21 12:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Hi, I've a question. Can I extract O (which I need for FE) with the Collector? [03-Nov-21 12:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Steffstoff: It depends on if your planet has O. [03-Nov-21 12:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: And sometimes, the O concentration is low enough that it's not preferable to do so (since it'd be cheaper to buy from CX than to feed PIOs to extract it yourself). Mostly just "depends" [03-Nov-21 12:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Okay, I just ask because when I click on 'MAT FE' on O the system is telling me that I need TCO. Just confused about it [03-Nov-21 12:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: Thanks @saganaki! [03-Nov-21 12:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: That's just teling you the inputs/outputs of where FE is used. [03-Nov-21 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Not sure where you see TCO? [03-Nov-21 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: That's the only source of O from production building recipes [03-Nov-21 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Because it doesn't list collecting natural resources in that list [03-Nov-21 12:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Ah, right. MAT O, shows that, yes. It also says "natural resource" => collectable. [03-Nov-21 12:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Universl_god** joined.* [03-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Steffstoff**: I've another question, sorry: When a planet has 0 population. How long does it take until the first pioneers (worker) will arrive? [03-Nov-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Universl_god**: How do you select a Storage location when selling at the commodity exchange. I can't click on the "select one ". What should i do? [03-Nov-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: when your selling you don't need warehous space [03-Nov-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jameskiller98**: the exchange takes care of it for you [03-Nov-21 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Universl_god**: But when i place an offer i have to set a strorage location [03-Nov-21 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you have to select a storage space when selling for the system to know what items to take and for buying where to put the items when you bought them, if you select your ship fe and the fly away, the items bought will not disappear but go into a contract which you then can fulfill when you have a storage (ship or warehouse) at the cx [03-Nov-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Anyone know how to determine how much a single BHP repairs? (And are ship repairs linear?) [03-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you should repair a ship at 80%, as it starts to get slower then [03-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Right, I'm planning on repairing much earlier, I just want to know how much a single BHP repairs [03-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: 1%? 10%? [03-Nov-21 12:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: that is a good question i do not know the answer for :/ [03-Nov-21 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: @Steffstoff Each new base gets 200 pioneers right away on starting. [03-Nov-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: The starter ship needs 48 BHP total to build. I don't have definite info, but from my own ships, it appears to be pretty linear loss of BHP as wear builds up. [03-Nov-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: @Zizzleswomp Thanks! So would that mean each BHP repairs ~2%? [03-Nov-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: correct [03-Nov-21 12:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: can confirm that 2.5% needs 2 bhp, its a bit higher than 2% per bhp [03-Nov-21 12:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Wait if 2.5 needs 2BHP then each BHP would be 1.25? [03-Nov-21 12:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: as with building degradation, I expect that most of the rounding is against you [03-Nov-21 12:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: yep, i would guess so [03-Nov-21 12:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Got it, thank you! [03-Nov-21 12:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: are you just trying to figure out a rate of ship damage to cost? [03-Nov-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Precisely [03-Nov-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Want to determine the cost of a run [03-Nov-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: ah, gotcha [03-Nov-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Thank you team! One other question - does fuel cost / travel time / ship damage change based on orbit of planets and / or weight of cargo? [03-Nov-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: orbit of planets: yes. Ship cargo: no, or negligibly so [03-Nov-21 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: orbit - most definately, weight - maybe, but it does not matter that much [03-Nov-21 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: To all 3? Ship damage travel time and food cost? [03-Nov-21 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***OddPotato** joined.* [03-Nov-21 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Is there a way to like see orbits to determine when the best time to launch is or is it a trial and error thing [03-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can see the orbits/where the planets are on the system map [03-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: fuel cost and travel time are just two ends of the slider. I don't know if damage is affected by the others - I'd guess not [03-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: generally, the closer the planets, the faster [03-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Ooh okay yep I see it now [03-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: This is all very helpful thanks team [03-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: This game needs more analytics tools built in haha [03-Nov-21 12:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can use the BLU command to open blueprints, create a new design with the defaults (this is the starter ship) and use to try out various combinations of fuel, travel time, cargo on damage, fuel, time taken [03-Nov-21 12:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: a quick test in the blueprint flight simulator reveals that inventory weight does not matter to damage [03-Nov-21 12:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Oh my god this is amazing you guys are the best thank you [03-Nov-21 12:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: I can do math now while I play video games :) [03-Nov-21 12:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Yeah, the test flight feature was a really smart addition. [03-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: I assume the test flight is based on current planet locations? Can you change that? [03-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that is the one thing that you can't really play around [03-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: with* [03-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: :(, still very helpful though, thank you so much! [03-Nov-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ok, so inventory weight only affects fuel consuption, but you burn ~15% more ftl (0% stl) on a flight from mor to ant [03-Nov-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: after doing a few runs, you start to get a sense of the min/max fuel and time [03-Nov-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: test flight can be completely adjusted, you can set a start and a target [03-Nov-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Yeah I'm trying to price out purely STL runs and it looks like it has a negligable effect there [03-Nov-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: some planets with outer orbits can vary widely, admittedly, on travel time to inner planets depending on alignments [03-Nov-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: tbh, you will be always better off shipping one full ship than 2 half full ships [03-Nov-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Yeah I'm looking at runs from an outer planet to an inner planet so it looks like orbits aren't a huge deal (very very inner planet, so super tiny orbit) [03-Nov-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ye, shoudnt matter that much in that case [03-Nov-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Perf, thanks team [03-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***otakushowboat** joined.* [03-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***dataphreak2** joined.* [03-Nov-21 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Goresh**: If there is a big difference in positions it is sometimes cheaper and quicker to jump out of system and back in. [03-Nov-21 05:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: planets/stations move in their orbit [03-Nov-21 05:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: pretty slowly, though [03-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Does anyone know how much food / water a single pioneer drinks per day? [03-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Or 10 pioneers, whatever the smallest unit is [03-Nov-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: 4 per 100 pioneers [03-Nov-21 08:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TheDoctor1786: Click "BS" on left -> View Base -> Workforce [03-Nov-21 08:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDoctor1786**: Ooh yep thanks team [03-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Why is my Material Consumption so high even though I'm not buying any materials for my production? [03-Nov-21 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: You'll have to explain the problem in more detail. What are you producing and what are you consuming too fast? [03-Nov-21 09:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: I'm producing carbon, using crops I grow, and using water from my own rig. [03-Nov-21 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: I think if you are buying consumables for your workers to do all of those things, that will add to your material consumption [03-Nov-21 10:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: I thought that's worker supplies [03-Nov-21 10:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: That's correct, those are workers supplies [03-Nov-21 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: I wouldn't pay too much attention to the finances, they're kind of busted [03-Nov-21 11:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: How do i cancel an order? [03-Nov-21 11:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: i ordered too much stuff from the exhange, is it possible to cancel? [03-Nov-21 11:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: it's not fulfilled if it helps [03-Nov-21 11:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Hmmm no I think you have to go pick it up or put it in a warehouse and then sell it again [03-Nov-21 11:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Xenogenic**: Mixing up buy and sell orders has cost me a pretty penny over time [04-Nov-21 12:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: You can cancel by using CXOS buffer [04-Nov-21 12:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: If its not too late [04-Nov-21 12:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **hunwyn**: You can also use LMOS on the local market [04-Nov-21 04:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***BruceVain** joined.* [04-Nov-21 06:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***n1troo** joined.* [04-Nov-21 08:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***BlackCrystal** joined.* [04-Nov-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***GreenBadger** joined.* [04-Nov-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***GreenBadger** left.* [04-Nov-21 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***matek100** joined.* [04-Nov-21 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Bemeies** joined.* [04-Nov-21 11:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kniple** joined.* [04-Nov-21 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Hxhjx** joined.* [04-Nov-21 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kniple** left.* [04-Nov-21 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kniple** joined.* [04-Nov-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Atterberry** joined.* [04-Nov-21 01:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Quixx** joined.* [04-Nov-21 01:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lungefrankie**: do people do loans? [04-Nov-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lungefrankie**: like if i needed a 10k loan for a week, how would people react to that [04-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: does the "traded amount" in the CXP buffer mean for 24 hours or what? [04-Nov-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: i have seen loans in corps but outside there is on way to enforce contracts [04-Nov-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: so you need to find someone who trusts you enough to loan you the money [04-Nov-21 02:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: @lungefrankie ppl do loans and 10k beeing a pretty small amount will prob easily be granted [04-Nov-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: @nocknuck technically a loan should be the same as a contract, you can fulfill and you can just not, but i think its possible to make 2 contracts like "i buy your 1 dw for 10k if you buy my dw for 10k with delivery in 10 days or so" [04-Nov-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***melli06** joined.* [04-Nov-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: in the cxp buffer, is the "traded" number over 24 hours, or 7-day or all time? [04-Nov-21 03:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: 'traded' seems to ralate to the current day [04-Nov-21 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: (you get the same number when setting the price chart to 1d and looking at the volume) [04-Nov-21 03:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: thx, thats what I thought. I just couldnt find anything definitive. [04-Nov-21 03:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Makaipo** joined.* [04-Nov-21 04:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: question about demolishing a building. I have 4 RIGs. I want to demolish the oldest one. Do I just empty the queue and have only 3 out of 4 producing or do I need to make sure that the specific RIG I'm demolishing is the one without active production? [04-Nov-21 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I was worried about that too, but it works out really nicely. [04-Nov-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Just have one RIG idle out of the group - it doesn't matter which one - and demolish whichever one you want. It won't cancel anything, it just deletes the empty slot on the list [04-Nov-21 04:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Thanks. I figured that was the case. [04-Nov-21 05:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***andiwd** joined.* [04-Nov-21 05:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***andiwd** left.* [04-Nov-21 05:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***andiwd** joined.* [04-Nov-21 05:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***HeavenlyRefiningDemonVenerable** joined.* [04-Nov-21 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Hoff** joined.* [04-Nov-21 06:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Hoff**: hi [04-Nov-21 06:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bemeies**: How do I pick up items from an order? [04-Nov-21 06:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bemeies**: I ordered stuff but don't have it [04-Nov-21 06:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bemeies**: It says the status is closed. Does that mean the market is currently closed? [04-Nov-21 06:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: do you have a ship there? [04-Nov-21 06:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: or base? [04-Nov-21 06:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***AaronGearheart264** joined.* [04-Nov-21 07:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheChris2009** joined.* [04-Nov-21 07:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Bemeies: "Closed" is the legalese "closed", as in "both parties agree to the terms" [04-Nov-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bemeies**: Ioh [04-Nov-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bemeies**: Ooh* [04-Nov-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bemeies**: I do have a base on the planet [04-Nov-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bemeies**: Do i need to fly all the way to the market and back then? [04-Nov-21 07:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yes, you have to send a ship to go pick up the items from the CX and return them to your base [04-Nov-21 08:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***AaronGearheart264** left.* [04-Nov-21 09:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ivanthebad** joined.* [04-Nov-21 09:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ivanthebad** left.* [04-Nov-21 10:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Boomtetris** joined.* [04-Nov-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***ArtfulBadger** joined.* [05-Nov-21 12:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Can you provide a link to the chart that explains population growth from education/migration? [05-Nov-21 12:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: do you mean: https://pct.fnar.net/population-infrastructure/ {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/population-infrastructure/ Population Infrastructure - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [05-Nov-21 12:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: or POPR, the ingame report? [05-Nov-21 12:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Yes. That's what I was looking for. Thanks. [05-Nov-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Potatoo** joined.* [05-Nov-21 02:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***WubbaWench** joined.* [05-Nov-21 05:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: How do free players get new ships? [05-Nov-21 06:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: basically you can't, though 2 ships will last until you have 3-6 bases depending on your planning [05-Nov-21 06:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: given that a ship costs close to a million (bit under if I remember correctly, but it's been a while since I last checked the price) it'll be a while before you can afford one anyway [05-Nov-21 06:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: some have been selling for 550-600k i think [05-Nov-21 06:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but yes, with an hq limit of 5 (so 7 bases w/o extra space on existing ones) -> 7 bases you'll mb be able to manage them all with only 2 ships [05-Nov-21 06:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: are the current buyable ships only limited to STL? [05-Nov-21 06:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: yes, but ftl ship will be made pretty soon tho, as especially proxion is approaching scientists [05-Nov-21 07:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Blull** joined.* [05-Nov-21 08:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: why is there a fee for canceling orders? and how often does it reset? [05-Nov-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Once every 24 hours if you cancel 5 or more orders on a single good within that period. It's to prevent bots from spamming the CX [05-Nov-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: I'd recommend just listing something and leaving it, maybe adjusting it every once and a while [05-Nov-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: didnt stop bots from destroying the price on rat. and now im stuck either paying a fee or waiting to buy food because price went up 15ncc in 12 hours [05-Nov-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: There are no bots on the market, just lots of people [05-Nov-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Which CX? [05-Nov-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: moira [05-Nov-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: i dont think there is a bot problem in prun [05-Nov-21 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: There was a couple years ago, but it's been pretty well handled [05-Nov-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: I guess in the future don't relist your order so many times. If you're getting the message, it means you relisted 5 times within 24 hours without it being fulfilled [05-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: yes. because when I started bid was at 40 [05-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: now its at 55 [05-Nov-21 08:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: because someone put in so many orders that didnt have a rate limit, and was able to change the price in a way the market with a rate limit cant adjust to [05-Nov-21 08:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Looking at the charts, the market rose steadily since Wednesday. A few people just listed buys above yours. If you need good immediately, you can't always risk bidding at the bid price, because it may be raised or not fulfilled. You can bid directly at the ask price and get it immediately. [05-Nov-21 08:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: not without getting my money back [05-Nov-21 08:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I could cancel and pay the fee and buy half [05-Nov-21 08:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: No, now you're in a pickle because you relisted too many times. But the fee will disappear 24 hours after you placed your first of the 5 orders [05-Nov-21 08:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: When was that? 12 hours ago you said? [05-Nov-21 08:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: you can also calculate whether it might be better just to let your workers rot for a day instead of buying it overpriced [05-Nov-21 08:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: ya. probably around 9 last night [05-Nov-21 08:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: 12ish hours [05-Nov-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: The fee will be gone in 12ish hours then, and you should be more careful about constantly relisting stuff in the future [05-Nov-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: its not THAT bad. its not gunna kill me. but this is bad design [05-Nov-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: the limit? [05-Nov-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: or what exactly is bad design there? [05-Nov-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: a limit on relisting, without a limit on how often lots can be purchased [05-Nov-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: they should show the limit up front, thats true [05-Nov-21 08:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: If you really need your goods within 24 hours (the time limit on the limit) just buy at the ask [05-Nov-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Otherwise wait for the market to drop back, or if its bad enough relist once at a higher price [05-Nov-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: The markets a much better now that bots are off them, that's for sure. [05-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: the yugo is a car, you can make it work. and its still not a good car. [05-Nov-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: In general, there's no real need to list 5 unfilled orders within 24 hours on the same good. If you need it that bad, buy it from the ask [05-Nov-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Or put up a generous bid [05-Nov-21 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I thought it was generous until someone spent 4 hours buying everything below 75 ncc [05-Nov-21 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: and if they had a rate limit on how often they could buy, it wouldnt have been a problem [05-Nov-21 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: But that would be restricting the market, the rate limit rarely comes up [05-Nov-21 08:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: and thats why there is an asymetry and its bad design [05-Nov-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: it just did in a way that restricts the market [05-Nov-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: There is a limit on how much people can list to sell too, 5 times in 24 hours without being filled [05-Nov-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: You want to restrict people from buying too much? [05-Nov-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: no. I dont wanted to be restricted from relisting [05-Nov-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: I could go and buy out the whole market if I want (and have done that on a few goods) [05-Nov-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: but there is a restriction, and it is asymetrical [05-Nov-21 08:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: It's not really, is it? [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I set up an order to buy 1000000 RAT, its one order and fills 100 orders from others [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: There's a restriction on listing many times, yes. Which is a situation that does not come up nearly at all [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: its still one order of mine [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: thats not what happened [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: they spent hours [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: buying everything that came up below 75 [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: It wasn [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: 't one person then [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: the restriction only applies to unfulfilled orders, and thats good [05-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: it was done in <5 mins [05-Nov-21 08:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: the first wave, where they bought everything. yes it was quick [05-Nov-21 08:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: and then it was sustained [05-Nov-21 08:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: That's just people buying from the market, there are hundreds of other players in need of RAT [05-Nov-21 08:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: theres no reason to restrict filled orders anyway [05-Nov-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: no, after that i suspect that were some poor guys who needed rats at this exact mkoment and had to pay up [05-Nov-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: there is no reason to restrict anything [05-Nov-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: There is, to restrict bots [05-Nov-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: there is a reason to restrict unfulfilled orders, its to prevent people from going 1c above every minute, leading to annoyances for at least one party [05-Nov-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: is it a bandwidth issue? [05-Nov-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Which really harm the markets, constantly bidding 0.01 under you [05-Nov-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: or are bots getting people better prices [05-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: but its not a market thing, its a "people get annoyed" thing [05-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: whats the problem with eliminating the spread? [05-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: No, there was a botter back in the day, would list underneath you by 0.01 within a minute any hour of the day [05-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: it doesnt hurt markets to underbid by 1c [05-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: the only thing needing restrictions are bots/brand new pump-dump accounts [05-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: this is still a game and people dont like to constantly watch for 1c undercuts so they have to reapply an order [05-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: @FireFreak but it does give a massive advantage to the people with the bot (which is against TOS) [05-Nov-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I dont see an issue with bots tbh [05-Nov-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: they'd just drive prices closer to the actual value, but I might be wrong [05-Nov-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: if the bot eliminates the spread isnt that better to the market? [05-Nov-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: well bots can make it so that they are always on top of any buy and sell order and not letting any player orders get filled [05-Nov-21 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: It's about the gameplay experience, if I had a bot that constantly asked 0.01 less than you, and I had 200 BSE to sell, you couldn't sell your BSE except for a super cheap bid [05-Nov-21 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: and make quite some money with the spred/margin [05-Nov-21 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: restrictios are keeping my player order from getting filled right now [05-Nov-21 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: you'd just have to bid 0.01 below the lowest programmed bot bid [05-Nov-21 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: @CraneArmy yes, but because you did something that's an edge case. It's a tradeoff to prevent bots from doing the same thing [05-Nov-21 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: if a bot undercut everything, it wouldnt be a good bot [05-Nov-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I guess as long as it only hurts new players its fine. [05-Nov-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Other players who have been around a while can speak to it directly too, but not being able to bid on an equal playing field was not fun with a bot in the mix [05-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: Im being prevented from biding on an equal playing field [05-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: @CraneArmy it should be better advertised, but no one, not even a new player, should be relisting 5 times in 24 hours except in some very weird edge cases [05-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: oh I did that as a new player [05-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I undercut the same guy several times [05-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: @CraneArmy no. It is equal, everyone gets 5 unfilled bids every 24 hours on one good [05-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: its not an edge case [05-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: The limitation exists for both buying and selling too. If I sell my RATs and constantly delist to be the best price, Ill run into the same issue [05-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I would do it more often, but I cant because of the restriction :( [05-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Like I said, should definitely be advertised more [05-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: no it isnt. because the market was manipulated by someone with more purchasing power [05-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Yes, they had more purchasing power so they bought up the market. It's how capitalism goes [05-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: yes. but this isnt capitalism [05-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: because I cant bid [05-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Well you can bid! You just can't pull your other bid without paying a fee [05-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: well, you could roleplay it as "CX is private business and has its own rules" [05-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Someone had cash to buy out things sure, but with what you are discribing they say that PiBoy is selling 100 rats @ 70 each (example) and put in a buy order for exactly that amount at that price. Order gets instantly filled so there is no need to cancel the order and they can keep going [05-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: might be a bad rule and you cant make your own CX to compete, but its at least something [05-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: It is in the lore, it's the head of a faction which is a giant conglomerate of mega-corporations [05-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: there is lore? [05-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I believe you could also put up a new buy order for what you need so long as you have the capital right? The limit is for cancelling existing orders, so if you have the capital you could just post again and then wait to get your money back from order 1 in 12 hours [05-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/lore/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/lore/ Lore :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [05-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: @CraneArmy just a little [05-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: Id be intrigued to see player CX's without that rule, but I doubt itll happen since its a game rule [05-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: I guess I meant faction lore, which has been around for a while [05-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I could pput in another order. without canceling the old, but I dont have the cash [05-Nov-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: For instance, the command: FA NC [05-Nov-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: unless I get a sale on something else [05-Nov-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yeah thats just how it works. Money is always the limiting factor... until you get to supply issues [05-Nov-21 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: no. the market rate limiter is the limiting factor [05-Nov-21 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: thats literally what it does [05-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: It limits in both ways so its symmetrical though. I think its a good idea, but I agree it should warn you about it [05-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: just to shut me up lol [05-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: thx [05-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: thats not neccisary. but thx [05-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Nah, just to help fix your mistake [05-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: It didn't cost much, the spread wasn't that bad [05-Nov-21 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I appriciate it. [05-Nov-21 09:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **VicodinTaco**: hmmm so, I went on over to YI-209H and started a base. Had my HB1 buildings and INS and everything and my 200 Current Workforce. Then I the population report came out last night and pop is 0 and workforce is 0??? [05-Nov-21 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Ah, shoot. It looks like another instance of the extinction bug. I thought they fixed that. Report it on the forums and/or Discord and they'll fix it soon. [05-Nov-21 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ye, newly populated planets are difficult to start up [05-Nov-21 09:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Definitely a bug though [05-Nov-21 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **VicodinTaco**: word, will do. I knew I wouldn't gain more than a few Pioneers on that report but everyone leaving/dying was a surprise this morning lol [05-Nov-21 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Yeah. In this state, no new population can grow so you definitely should get it fixed [05-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Do unemployed pioneers use resources ? [05-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: no [05-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It depends on what you mean by "Unemployed". [05-Nov-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: if your habs allow 500 and you have a workforce of 300, stuff is only consumed for 300 [05-Nov-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: If you have a building that is idle/not working, that WILL still consume resources. [05-Nov-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: If I create an HB1 before my production building ? [05-Nov-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: they wont [05-Nov-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Ok thank you [05-Nov-21 10:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: your habs will only have so many ppl living inside as there are workers needed [05-Nov-21 10:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Ok, currently I have 190 required, 190 workforce and cap of 200, I of course need another to make another production line [05-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you actually dont, but the 200 max will be distrubuted among your prod buildings, resulting in lower efficiency [05-Nov-21 12:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***riman15** joined.* [05-Nov-21 01:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: im in the same boat. I did the math and I should get higher profit going over my workforce cap first even on a low profit building and building more hab space later [05-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: it might depend on what youre making, but it looks like its almost always going to be better to build the hab space after [05-Nov-21 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: id say its a bit wasted building a production building and not using its full potential, when you have to build the habs either way [05-Nov-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: Im going to. but its an order of operations problem. [05-Nov-21 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: im going to be able to build one or the other after current trip to the exchange [05-Nov-21 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: and which ever the other is on the next [05-Nov-21 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: getting the prod building up first looks like higher income per day, while getting the hab up is just sitting on money [05-Nov-21 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: if there was a bigger difference in profitability in the different production buildings it shouldnt always look like that, but what ive looked at to put in my base so far it should be better to do the hab second [05-Nov-21 01:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: well if you cant do both at once it can be better to build the prod building first, yes [05-Nov-21 02:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtfulBadger**: Bit confused on how resource generation buildings work--can someone explain how important it is that the planet I'm generating on has a high value for the resource I want? [05-Nov-21 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtfulBadger**: Like if I've got an extractor and I want Iron, I assume how much Iron the planet has changes how much my extractor makes, but I can't find a detailed outline anywhere [05-Nov-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: so your ext will have a set time to extrace something, but hm it extracts depends on how many resources are on that planet [05-Nov-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtfulBadger**: I see [05-Nov-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtfulBadger**: I don't suppose you know the formula, or where I could find it? [05-Nov-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/planetsearch will show you hm a building will make per day at 100% [05-Nov-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: so on montem fe you will get 20.30 LST per EXT if it runs at 100% [05-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtfulBadger**: Ah thank you! [05-Nov-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: np [05-Nov-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: @artfulbadger on this page there are a bunch of resources. Ive learned how to use the spreadsheet named "Rainā€™s Master Base Planner (with FIO Integration)" [05-Nov-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [05-Nov-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: that will tell you just about everything you need to know about profitability within some limitations [05-Nov-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ArtfulBadger**: Awesome thanks [05-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***AaronGearheart264** joined.* [05-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AaronGearheart264**: How do I get more food and water? [05-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AaronGearheart264**: And how do I get carbon and oxygen [05-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you either make it in a FP or buy them from a CX [05-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AaronGearheart264**: Okay thanks [05-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can use the MAT command to see what stuffz need, like MAT C [05-Nov-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Changing storage location when placing an order doesn't work? [05-Nov-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: it should [05-Nov-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: It always puts it in warehouse even if I select my ship [05-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: It does the same for me [05-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: same [05-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: I just bought some FF from Moria and specified my ship and it put it in my Moria WH [05-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I remember this only because Im new and it says so in the intro tut [05-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: but that "select location" dropdown is only wired to source stuff when selling [05-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***AaronGearheart264** left.* [05-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ye, it always ends up in the wh, so i dont bother selecting the ship and just trade from there [05-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***AaronGearheart264** joined.* [05-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: because you dont technically need to put it anywhere when buying until you fil the contract it was probably just a bunch of extra logic to get it to place the item in a specific spot when selling if a spot is available [05-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: as a lazy dev I can relate [05-Nov-21 11:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Verdiss** joined.* [05-Nov-21 11:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Verdiss** left.* [05-Nov-21 11:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kawaii_Douchebag**: is there a way to add commands to the command bar on the left? [05-Nov-21 11:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: no [06-Nov-21 04:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mahzel** joined.* [06-Nov-21 07:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kyd** joined.* [06-Nov-21 08:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **necroant**: is there any kind of vacation mode in this game? [06-Nov-21 08:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kovus**: Unfortunately, no. [06-Nov-21 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can put all consumables onto ships from your base so that workforce wont have access to it tho [06-Nov-21 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: the only thing would be building degradation which you cant stop [06-Nov-21 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Or stockpile for 40 days, use recurring orders, and come back to a lot of product [06-Nov-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: if you can afford it, its definitely a very good option [06-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: what happens if you run out of base capacity? [06-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you cant build anything [06-Nov-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Anonical** joined.* [06-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Voraxx** joined.* [06-Nov-21 09:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Malgarth** joined.* [06-Nov-21 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***siprus** joined.* [06-Nov-21 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: Can you expand to more than 1 plot on the planet? [06-Nov-21 11:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: no, but you can use spare base permits to expand your base by +250 per permit, up to twice [06-Nov-21 11:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: so, 1000 area max [06-Nov-21 11:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: BS (left side), you'll see ADD/RMV buttons under Change Permits to do that [06-Nov-21 11:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: Hmm is there a great way to monitor what kind of production planet needs [06-Nov-21 11:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: if you don't have access to local market [06-Nov-21 11:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***siprus** left.* [06-Nov-21 11:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***siprus** joined.* [06-Nov-21 11:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I don't understand. If you don't have access to the LM, why does it matter what products the local planet needs? [06-Nov-21 11:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: Hmm I see. So if you are free to play you should focus on near by commodity exchange to make money [06-Nov-21 11:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: not much other options [06-Nov-21 11:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yup [06-Nov-21 11:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can also make money trading between CXs - you can't use FX to directly exchange currency as a free player, but you can sell goods on the other market for that currency [06-Nov-21 11:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: Btw I placed 2 orders in commodity exchange for 1 of them stuff appeared in my ships cargo, but for other the order is filled but i have no idea where the stuff is [06-Nov-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: check CONT, left side. Or, check CXOS to make sure the order actually got filled [06-Nov-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: according to cxos it's filled [06-Nov-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, should be in CONT, then, waiting for you to click "fulfill" - which will move it to your ship's inventory [06-Nov-21 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: Alright [06-Nov-21 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: thx [06-Nov-21 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that happens if the purchase went through before your ship arrived, so there was nowhere for it to go [06-Nov-21 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: np [06-Nov-21 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: Hmm... I probably don't need two ships for my crappy starter base [06-Nov-21 11:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: I guess using the other to just do contracts betweeen exchanges would be good idea [06-Nov-21 11:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: when I started I liked the idea of parking one at the CX and one at my base, and swapping. But admittedly that left them parked for long periods of time, not doing anything [06-Nov-21 11:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: Yeah... I mean it does give you much better response time. [06-Nov-21 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Without Pro license and if you're not interested in inter-CX trading, there aren't many other options, though [06-Nov-21 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: I guess the pro lisense is almost mandatory... as one time playment it's not end of the world, but i'd like to first see if the game actually captures me [06-Nov-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Pro is a per-month payment to maintain it. But yes, if you let it lapse, you get Basic and can still accept LM ads, like shipping contracts. [06-Nov-21 11:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I agree with you, though. Good to know that you're really into the game longer-term first. [06-Nov-21 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: Can you automate the supply runs etc [06-Nov-21 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **siprus**: and production [06-Nov-21 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: supply runs, no. Production, sorta via recurring orders (also a Pro feature) [06-Nov-21 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dendagarius** joined.* [06-Nov-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Doc-Doom2040** joined.* [06-Nov-21 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Gueff** joined.* [06-Nov-21 05:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Nitchevo** joined.* [06-Nov-21 06:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Gueff** left.* [06-Nov-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Weatherman120** joined.* [06-Nov-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Weatherman120** left.* [06-Nov-21 07:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***dawntracker** joined.* [06-Nov-21 09:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: so im trying to place an order for a commodity [06-Nov-21 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: but every time i type something into the price limit feild it reverts to a certain number [06-Nov-21 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: why? [06-Nov-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: can you give the specifics - what commodity are you trying for, and what price are you entering? [06-Nov-21 09:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: It has happened for C.NC1 and H.NC1, no matter what I type, the order for carbon becomes 306.74\ [06-Nov-21 09:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you click the "set" buttons on the Bid / Ask line, does it change then? [06-Nov-21 09:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: it does, but doesnt fix the issue [06-Nov-21 09:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Is it always 306.74? [06-Nov-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: for carbon, for hydrogen its always 150.71 [06-Nov-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Does it happen if you switch to another browser? [06-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: let me check [06-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Maybe its some strange cookie issue? 306.74 doesnt make sense for current prices [06-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: It appears you have an active order for 306.74. Perhaps its just your browser remembering the number [06-Nov-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: no, same thing on a different browser [06-Nov-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: no, I ran out of ideas and just went with the one it let me [06-Nov-21 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Do you have the funds for something over that price for the amount you want? Im not sure otherwise [06-Nov-21 09:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: I dont think so [06-Nov-21 09:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I've never heard of anyone experiencing this before. You might let the devs know on the forums [06-Nov-21 09:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheChris2009**: alright [06-Nov-21 09:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yeah super weird [06-Nov-21 10:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: You already have an order open for those prices? [06-Nov-21 10:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: And you are trying to put new orders in for the same product at a different price? [06-Nov-21 10:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I get the game denying that. It's makes no sense to try to cut your other order off. [06-Nov-21 10:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I've had the same thing happen while placing orders on the FX market, the solution I found was don't click off the box when you've entered your number [06-Nov-21 10:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: ie, enter the amount of units, then enter the price, and while the box to type out a price is still selected, click the buy/sell button, it worked, but felt wrong [06-Nov-21 10:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: hasn't done that to me in ages though (might be because I haven't used the FX market in ages) [06-Nov-21 10:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***clevercookie87** joined.* [06-Nov-21 10:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **clevercookie87**: So I just started the tutorial, and accidentally made the command list full screen, how do I fix this, closing the game and loading back doesn't help [06-Nov-21 10:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **clevercookie87**: Never mind I got it, thanks anyway [06-Nov-21 11:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ackoo** joined.* [06-Nov-21 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ackoo** left.* [06-Nov-21 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ackoo** joined.* [07-Nov-21 12:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Spaceguyroy**: is there somewhere i can keep notes- i just did a bunch of math for production, and i want to keep it in game [07-Nov-21 01:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Spaceguyroy** left.* [07-Nov-21 01:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Spaceguyroy** joined.* [07-Nov-21 01:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: @Spaceguyroy Probably in a spreadsheet or a notepad. I don't think there are any way to keep notes in-game. [07-Nov-21 01:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: why is my ship taking nearly 2 years to travel from moria station to motem? [07-Nov-21 01:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: 1 year 11 months and 30 days is the time listed on the flight log [07-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: sounds buggy. usually even a really slow flight for that route shouldn't be more than a couple days [07-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: when I started it it should of only been 12 hours [07-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: need the supplies at the base within 2 hours or my production line will stop [07-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: have you tried refreshing? and if you look at the flight manifest, where is the time? in landing or transit? and how much fuel does it say you're using? [07-Nov-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you haven't refreshed the page yet though, start there. sometimes the interface gets wonky [07-Nov-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: i've refreshed. the time is in the transit. the landing is still 6 minutes [07-Nov-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: what is the fuel spend? [07-Nov-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: let me try a log out and login [07-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: SF fule is 1329 it was full when it left moria station just filled it up [07-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: idk sounds like the bug may be baked in to your flight record, might be time to call in a dev [07-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: @molp [07-Nov-21 01:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **coraxwolf**: still the same. thanks [07-Nov-21 01:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you could try asking on the official discord #help channel (can ping molp there too, but it's still weekend for them) [07-Nov-21 01:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but maybe a player there might have relevant knowledge. i know flight times can be a bit tweaky, but i haven't heard this particular issue before [07-Nov-21 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: That's awesome. Sounds like somehow you got the flight to trigger with 0 FTL time? [07-Nov-21 01:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Pizzacream7** joined.* [07-Nov-21 05:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Gonzalos** joined.* [07-Nov-21 07:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: hi one question?? [07-Nov-21 07:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: Im runing out of space in my homeplanet how can i buy more buildable area?? [07-Nov-21 07:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: I think you can get more Area by adding permits to your base. You get more permits by upgrading your HQ I believe. [07-Nov-21 07:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: You start with 2, so you can upgrade to 750 area right now under the BS buffer [07-Nov-21 07:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: but what building i have to built?? [07-Nov-21 07:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: another CM module?? [07-Nov-21 07:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: nevermind my bad i found it :) [07-Nov-21 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Unless you just don't want to build a second base - I wouldn't waste your limited permits on expanding the first base [07-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***JumboFumblers** joined.* [07-Nov-21 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Emset** joined.* [07-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Stasja** joined.* [07-Nov-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Xyleia** joined.* [07-Nov-21 10:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Chimaera**: Can ships only be repaired once they hit <80? I put the BHP into the cargo and it would not let me hit the repair button. Do I need to park it at a planet with a shipyard or does it have to be landed first? [07-Nov-21 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: The ship has to be at one of your bases and in the bases inventory to work [07-Nov-21 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: it has to be landed and it can be repaired as soon as there is damage [07-Nov-21 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Lovehungusall**: BHP in bases Inventory* [07-Nov-21 11:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Chimaera**: Thank you, I assumed it was because it wasn't landed - but I was at Moria Station so I don't know why it wouldn't be theoretically landed. [08-Nov-21 12:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: dock manager says no repairs in the docking bay. fix your ship at home. [08-Nov-21 01:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **necroant**: how do i activate vacation mode? [08-Nov-21 02:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Timinator31** joined.* [08-Nov-21 02:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***crea-1** joined.* [08-Nov-21 03:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you cant, but you can either hide all the consumables from your workers or stickpile a lot of supply for them to produce and come back to a lot of stuffz to sell [08-Nov-21 07:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Namthorn** joined.* [08-Nov-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: is there much to do early game? it seems to me like i invested a lot to make 2 collectors, now it just seems to be a waiting game [08-Nov-21 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***BluSham** joined.* [08-Nov-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: not quite, but you can spend a lot of time planning every next step xdd [08-Nov-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: you can reach out to some of the more established companies or corps who require a lot of hauling, and sign up for a lucrative supply run, earn a bit of profit from those ships you aren't really needing for yourself yet [08-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: and yeah, plan your next 20 bases :D [08-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: fyi, you can only run shipping contracts if you have PRO or expired PRO license [08-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: :( [08-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: i font have pro [08-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: *don't [08-Nov-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lemorque** joined.* [08-Nov-21 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Malgarth**: I got an extractor and a smelter producing FE, is it wise to get a PP1 to create prefabs or is there other stuff I should build before that? [08-Nov-21 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***kostuek** joined.* [08-Nov-21 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Roland6445** joined.* [08-Nov-21 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yes, just to save on shipping it makes sense to convert some of that FE to something lighter locally [08-Nov-21 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: and bfabs are stupid light compared to the input materials [08-Nov-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Malgarth**: and I guess it's no need to get more extractors or smelters unless I need it to saturate the production line further down? [08-Nov-21 09:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Probably, yeah. I mean, it's okay to export some excess FEO/FE/STL, but you'll find it doesn't take much output to keep both of your ships busy just hauling the products from a single base, I think. [08-Nov-21 09:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: It probably depends on how much feo youre producing, but where I am, I need like 3 sme per extractor [08-Nov-21 09:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: and converting it to FE doesnt really save much on weight iirc [08-Nov-21 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: unless you can make something else with the FE [08-Nov-21 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: like at pp1 [08-Nov-21 09:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Though it does significantly increase the value. FEO.NC1 vs FE.NC1 [08-Nov-21 09:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: (I know they're not 1:1 product, just illustrating) [08-Nov-21 09:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: yes, for sure. [08-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: 2:1 + C + O [08-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: the carbon is expensive and heavy too tho. but I guess its going in the other direction [08-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: so its kinda okay [08-Nov-21 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, forgot about the C cost relative to the FE sell [08-Nov-21 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I should say 6+C+O:3 [08-Nov-21 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: its still profitable [08-Nov-21 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: while true, you should really only look at the FLX recipe [08-Nov-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: but still, you make a good point [08-Nov-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I did, but its not gunna help me [08-Nov-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: because I want to try to minimize the shipping [08-Nov-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: and that means using more feo [08-Nov-21 10:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: you could always build an FS, FE->SFK->UTS, then sell to the MM for profit [08-Nov-21 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: UTS is tiny compared to the FE input, and it eats up a fair amount of the stuff [08-Nov-21 10:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: ya. there are going to be ways to get the stuff out [08-Nov-21 10:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: and right now, its not really that bad. I need a ship out ~4 days [08-Nov-21 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: but I wouldnt want to build a second ext [08-Nov-21 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I'd never get thru the stuff [08-Nov-21 10:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: if you're on vallis, which I'm assuming you are, you could sell the stuff locally if you went PRO ;) [08-Nov-21 10:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: true [08-Nov-21 10:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: maybe some day. [08-Nov-21 10:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: but if you're not PRO I do highly recommend and FS or two, little bit extra to manage the Settler consumables, but definitely worth it in the long run [08-Nov-21 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: Ive played a few games like this before, and I tend to find them shallow and get bored once I get into them [08-Nov-21 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I'm just gunna give it a bit before I buy in [08-Nov-21 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: what is fs? [08-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: ah I found it [08-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: metalist studio [08-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: BUI FS [08-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: MAT UTS [08-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: okay. that makes sense, should I do it before the WEL? [08-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I've been looking at this, like this is what I should do next [08-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: but its all HE and ALU [08-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: which is fine, but im not already stocking that stuff [08-Nov-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: If you're dealing mostly in FE then yeah, and you can't use the LM then yeah, I'd definitely suggest an FS before a WEL [08-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: I'm assuming you have 2-3 metallurgy experts, that extra 10-15% can make a big difference in your profit margin [08-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: and FS is metallurgy, while WEL is construction [08-Nov-21 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: and since you're in NCC, you get a bonus to metallurgy too [08-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I'm construction from my package, but I know the cogc is metallurgy [08-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: so I get some benefit from both [08-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: the cogc on vallis is pioneers, so any pio job gets the boost [08-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: but the neo charter exploration bonus is for met [08-Nov-21 10:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: okay, ya. I guess Ive been confusing those [08-Nov-21 10:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: if you're running SMEs you'll have some met experts soon enough :) [08-Nov-21 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: just the one, but like I said. but I need 3 not to ship extra FEO [08-Nov-21 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: Im not having to export and FE tho [08-Nov-21 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: oh gotcha [08-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I still might do that first tho. the output doesnt take up much space and If I'm still exporting more than I'm importing [08-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: so importing a bit extra FE for a week isnt gunna kill me [08-Nov-21 10:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I shouldnt need to fly more [08-Nov-21 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Is there a plan to have private contracts in this game to send specific players commodities or money? [08-Nov-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: yes [08-Nov-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: no eta, but it's on the roadmap [08-Nov-21 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shwippity**: https://prosperousuniverse.com/roadmap/ - it's under "future" {Embed} https://prosperousuniverse.com/roadmap/ Prosperous Universe | The Economic Space MMO In Prosperous Universe, you are the CEO of your own spacefaring company. Explore the galaxy, design spaceships, forge alliances, and most importantly: produce, trade, transport, and profit. Manage your business through a highly customizable user interface named APEX, accessible via web browser. Contribute to a purely player-driven MMO economy in... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iw6GWFhfbXVxv9pGxGE1JgF_0dDoqQLVZGppgAEL7-U/https/prosperousuniverse.com/og/image.jpg [08-Nov-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Muaddib**: commands doesnt work! why?? pm [08-Nov-21 02:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Try doing it in all caps [08-Nov-21 02:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Muaddib**: what else i can use beside CMDS - TAB?? [08-Nov-21 02:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: What do you mean? [08-Nov-21 02:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Muaddib**: if i couldnt set thwe comds, were to set them or do it correctly? [08-Nov-21 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Are you asking where you can see a list of commands? Or are you asking about pinning commands to the sidebar? [08-Nov-21 02:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Muaddib**: yes [08-Nov-21 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: To see a list of commands, type CMDS, and if you have questions on the parameters, ask here specifically about that command. [08-Nov-21 02:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: And it turns out you can't pin commands to the sidebar [08-Nov-21 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Muaddib**: is it neccecery to cooperate with its coorperation/ in case of doing upkeep tasks? -if someone i called doing it?? [08-Nov-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I don't understand. Upkeep of what? POPI? [08-Nov-21 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Muaddib**: im not realy sure; buildings need goods to be in good condition/ these goods as far as i know lower because of its need . so anyone needs to get them and place them..... [08-Nov-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Buildings require repairs or they slow down. Easy rule is to repair at 90 days. So you need to keep buying buildings supplies to repair even after you built the building. Does that help? [08-Nov-21 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Muaddib**: no i mean population infastructur; [08-Nov-21 03:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Anyone can contribute to POPI construction and upkeep, but typically the governor uses tax revenue to do that. [08-Nov-21 03:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Muaddib**: can he assigne members? [08-Nov-21 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Like, commission people to make stuff? Yes, that's common, usually with bidding [08-Nov-21 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: I frequently bid for gov projects on Avalon [08-Nov-21 04:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: is it usually better to run slightly over your habitation cap or slightly under? [08-Nov-21 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: running slightly over reduces your efficiency, running slightly under just consumes extra RAT/DW, etc. [08-Nov-21 05:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: so both cases have drawbacks [08-Nov-21 05:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I believe you only pay for employed workers, so if you aren't employing the full amount your habs would allow, that's okay - it doesn't cost extra. [08-Nov-21 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: However, when choosing between building a HAB first or a production building first if you can only build one, I've heard it pointed out that the hab doesn't earn anything, whereas a new production building presumably would. [08-Nov-21 05:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Though, if it drops your efficiency too low to be short on workers, it might actually hurt your profits more than the new building earns [08-Nov-21 05:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: The hab also doesn't need repairs [08-Nov-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: I confirm, you only pay for employed workers [08-Nov-21 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***crznprophet** joined.* [09-Nov-21 01:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***deathmetalphilosophy** joined.* [09-Nov-21 02:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***CatalystZet** joined.* [09-Nov-21 02:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CatalystZet**: yo how do i get resourses for instrumets, that get this resourses [09-Nov-21 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: what do you mean? [09-Nov-21 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CatalystZet**: Where i can get resourses for first extractor& [09-Nov-21 02:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: the command PLI (and your planet in the next window) can show you what is aviable for mining at your base, on phobos that would be silocon ore and iron ore (you'll need col for atmos. rg for liquid and ext for mineral) [09-Nov-21 02:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CatalystZet**: ye, but i don't have enough BSE for that [09-Nov-21 02:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ah, if you cant make any yet you can buy some at the cx, for you the antares cx would make sense [09-Nov-21 02:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CatalystZet**: ok I'll try that\ [09-Nov-21 02:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you go to CXL and select antares in the sidebar or type CX AI1 in a new buffer [09-Nov-21 02:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: then you select construction prefabs [09-Nov-21 02:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: dont forget to send a ship there to pick up your order [09-Nov-21 02:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: also, https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/trading/ can help you :D {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/trading/ 2.3 Trading :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [09-Nov-21 04:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Catalystbsolute** joined.* [09-Nov-21 06:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***BademeisterPaul** joined.* [09-Nov-21 06:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kambera** joined.* [09-Nov-21 07:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Atomic_Candyman** joined.* [09-Nov-21 07:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***medzix** joined.* [09-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TwinGs** joined.* [09-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: hi, can someone please help me [09-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i don't know how to build my base [09-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TwinGs: What's up? (Right now, the game is being a tad slow [09-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i watched the tutorial but when i see the part highlighted under fleet [09-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it doesn't let me open anything [09-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Do you see a FLT buffer/pane? [09-Nov-21 08:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: Too much hydration [09-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah i see the FLT part on universe map [09-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Click on "Cargo". If it's not loading properly, you may need to wait a bit--the servers are recovering/having issues. [09-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it's highlighted yellow [09-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TwinGS: Click "NEW BFR" bottom-left and then type in "FLT" [09-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i don't see a Cargo sectionok i did that [09-Nov-21 08:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i typed in FLT in NEW BFR [09-Nov-21 08:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: At the right-most of that buffer, there's 4 buttons. "View" "Ship" "Cargo" "Fuel" [09-Nov-21 08:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: click Cargo. [09-Nov-21 08:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: After that, you'll need to drag all the items on your ship's cargo to the planet base inventory. You can click the "INV" on the left-side as an alternative there. [09-Nov-21 08:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: I strongly suggest adding your base inventory and potentially your ship inventories to your screen layout permanently, by the way. [09-Nov-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what am i supposed to drag? [09-Nov-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: BSE BBH BDE BSE BTA MCG [09-Nov-21 08:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Drag those boxes to your base inventory. [09-Nov-21 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: base inventory is INV? [09-Nov-21 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i just drag it into that box? [09-Nov-21 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Click "INV" on left -> Click "Open" (right-most) for your Base Storage -> Drag from Ship Cargo Hold to Base Storage [09-Nov-21 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: no CMK and MCG? [09-Nov-21 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Yes, the CMK [09-Nov-21 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: both of my ships have the same thing [09-Nov-21 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do i have to do it for both ships? [09-Nov-21 08:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh nvm it doesn't [09-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: hmmm i'm dragging it into the INV but it's not working [09-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Sorry--if you have the CMK, that means you haven't created a base yet. [09-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah so how do i build the base? [09-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/base-setup/ - This goes over it. {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/base-setup/ 2.2 Base Setup :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [09-Nov-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what i'm saying is that when i hover over the yellow arrow showing fleet [09-Nov-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: nothing opens up for me [09-Nov-21 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: An alternative: You should have a planet display on your screen, correct? [09-Nov-21 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: try on that map [09-Nov-21 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: (The Map issue may be GPU acceleration being disabled) [09-Nov-21 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: clicking on the option that says "3d mode" [09-Nov-21 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: or fixed 2d or whatever it is [09-Nov-21 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok i pressed fix 2d [09-Nov-21 09:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and i was able to open the system map [09-Nov-21 09:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: then i clicked the yellow arrow to show my ship [09-Nov-21 09:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but i don't see a 3d rendering of the map to choose an empty spot for the base [09-Nov-21 09:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: You don't see a 3D rendering of the planet, you mean? [09-Nov-21 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: What browser are you using? You may need to enable gpu acceleration for it. [09-Nov-21 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dragonite** joined.* [09-Nov-21 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: so make sure, on the system map, you want to click on the circle for the planet, next to your ship [09-Nov-21 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: Brave [09-Nov-21 09:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: not on the yellow arrow itself [09-Nov-21 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: it may be obscured by many other ships since starting planet systems can be busy [09-Nov-21 09:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dragonite** left.* [09-Nov-21 09:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: I'll also suggest a different browser potentially. Others have mentioned issues with using Brave in the past (unsure if those are still present or not, though). It is worth mentioning that the maps/3D renders won't work correctly if GPU acceleration is disabled. [09-Nov-21 09:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***AaronGearheart264** left.* [09-Nov-21 09:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok i got it [09-Nov-21 09:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: when i hover the cargo onto my base storage [09-Nov-21 09:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it shows 1 10 HLF and ALL [09-Nov-21 09:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do i put it on ALL? [09-Nov-21 09:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and am i supposed to move MCG? [09-Nov-21 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: You should move all your resources over. Bring up the `HELP` buffer. It should also help you walk through that. [09-Nov-21 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: (Sorry for the slow responses, also working at the same time here) [09-Nov-21 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: np, so i have to move basic overalls [09-Nov-21 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: basic rations etc too? [09-Nov-21 09:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: carbon, drinking water etc? [09-Nov-21 09:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dragonite** joined.* [09-Nov-21 09:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: RAT, DW, OVE - This is what your workers will consume. They use them daily. [09-Nov-21 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: just move everything at the beginning. they don't help you much in a ship unless you want to sell them somewhere else [09-Nov-21 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Carbon and other stuff is used as inputs to your buildings (I presume you went Metallurgy) so your SME (smelters) will use those. [09-Nov-21 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yes i went metallurgy [09-Nov-21 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i was able to build 2 HB1 and 1 EXT [09-Nov-21 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but it didn't give me enough starting resources for SME [09-Nov-21 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how do i get resources for the SME? [09-Nov-21 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh nvm it was on a different page [09-Nov-21 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: I recommend going through all the videos/pages in the tutorials: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/production/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/production/ 2.5 Production :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [09-Nov-21 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: they take you through those baiscs step by step so you can get your first production running [09-Nov-21 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: i.e. selecting the production templates [09-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i don't see a Sections tab in my base [09-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and am i supposed to keep refilling oxygen and rations every day? [09-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or can it be done automatically? [09-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TwinGs: Your workers auto-grab from base inventory. [09-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: yes, you buy consumables and intermediate products from the local CX (commodity exchange) and then pick them up with your ship, fly back, and fill your inventory at the base [09-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: alternatively you can also produce the O and FEO yourself with COL and EXT respectively [09-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: on vallis this is a common strategy [09-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: omg i'm so confused [09-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: watching the tutorials only goes so far for me [09-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: your goal is to smelt Iron correct? [09-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: that's the goal for a metallurgist right? [09-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: yes, and it looks like you are on montem [09-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i have my extractor queue filled now [09-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but my smelter can only do aluminum and is missing input [09-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: you need to choose the FEO recipe from the drop down [09-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: there is one with FLX and one without FLX [09-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: for now, use the FEO+C+O recipe [09-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: after you get to the CX, you can buy some FLX to use the more efficient recipe [09-Nov-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok got it [09-Nov-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: now, are you missing C, or does the metallurgy start package come with some? [09-Nov-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it came with some [09-Nov-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: did it come with any FLX? [09-Nov-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: no [09-Nov-21 09:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: okay, so, next step after production is started is to fly a ship to the MOR CX [09-Nov-21 09:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: you will need to buy your consumables (RAT, DW, OVE, FLX, C) and depending if you put down a collector or extractor, might need some O or FEO as well [09-Nov-21 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: you can see how many consumables your workforce requires (RAT, DW, OVE) by clicking on the workforce button in your base window [09-Nov-21 09:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok thanks [09-Nov-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kid-Cudi-Is-Great** joined.* [09-Nov-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Armpit**: I live on the planet Katoa. How many hours does it take to go all the way around my star? [09-Nov-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Armpit**: Micrometeoroid density is at .4 if that matters [09-Nov-21 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I don't know of anywhere to look up orbital periods in this game. Just curious? Or what are you trying to figure out? [09-Nov-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you're trying to figure out when the cheapest times to fly to the CX are, that also depends on the orbital period of the CX station and when the two align fairly closely, for instance. [09-Nov-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Armpit**: right. I figure if I wait until I am on the exact opposite side of the star from now then I should be good to fly [09-Nov-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Armpit**: I was hoping it would be like 6 hours or 12 hours for that [09-Nov-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Wismerhill** joined.* [09-Nov-21 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Chill** joined.* [09-Nov-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***chezenator** joined.* [09-Nov-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***general.gif** joined.* [09-Nov-21 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Paul_steele** joined.* [09-Nov-21 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***srs42** joined.* [09-Nov-21 10:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***thegreatone** joined.* [10-Nov-21 04:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Valyrian** joined.* [10-Nov-21 06:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Zerris** joined.* [10-Nov-21 08:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***superellips** joined.* [10-Nov-21 08:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Texx** joined.* [10-Nov-21 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: If I've got a new incinerator at 99% health and an old incinerator at 38% health, is it still slightly more productive than just the one new incinerator? [10-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **VicodinTaco**: naw, think of it this way. On that 38% INC you are wasting %62 of the consumables it uses. demo that thing! [10-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **VicodinTaco**: I typically repair or demo in the low 90% at tje latest [10-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: The inputs to be incinerated are wasted, or the commodities to run the pioneers? [10-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **VicodinTaco**: the commodities to run the pioneers. you are still feeding them full portions but they can only work at 38% speed [10-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: Right. I'll call Miley and her wrecking ball... [10-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: (Maybe get her some PWO...she looks pretty exposed up there) [10-Nov-21 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **VicodinTaco**: yes keep distractions at the workplace to a minimum [10-Nov-21 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Note that workers can only take from inventory. So you can hide stuff in a warehouse or ship hold until you are ready. [10-Nov-21 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: base* inventory [10-Nov-21 11:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: aw maaaaaan, that's a huge tip but I'm reading it a week too late :D [10-Nov-21 12:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***JalenWithTheHead** joined.* [10-Nov-21 12:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: if i'm a metallurgist, is it worthwhile to produce my own oxygen and carbon or worker rations and water? [10-Nov-21 12:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or it's better to buy those by selling the metals i produce? [10-Nov-21 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Its probably better to focus on one aspect and expand. And you would likely need several bases to cover everything you need [10-Nov-21 12:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You could also do the math and see how much you would save producing things yourself compared to buying. [10-Nov-21 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Im guessing you are located on Montem. The numbers may change based on your situation, but it looks like a COL producing O 100% of the time has an ROI of 60 ish days. So its likely better to buy O than produce it yourself, but then you need to ship it. [10-Nov-21 12:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Montem also has low fertility (-20%) so growing crops likely wouldnt be worth it. I guess you could plop down a FP for DW and RATs, but you would still need to import everything to make that stuff anyway [10-Nov-21 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Sheiphtu**: Can I view a list of my open orders on the CX in one handy spot? [10-Nov-21 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Sheiphtu**: Never mind, found it. [10-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Official Discord: https://discord.gg/nVSefPS - This is where people discuss the game. The devs are active here. [10-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: UFO (Community): https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP - Community discord where you opt-in to planet/faction chat via a bot. This is where people "play the game" so to speak. Make deals, talk in-game politics, make plans, etc. [10-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: PCT Discord: https://discord.gg/2MDR5DYSfY - PrUn Community Tools. Here is where people discuss game tool development, try to analyze game mechanics like STL flight, POPI, HQ upgrades, etc. [10-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: thanks for the info [10-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: can someone please tell me how to unload metal from my ship to sell at the market? [10-Nov-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can sell directly from the ship once it's at the CX, you just need to choose the ship from the dropdown storage selector [10-Nov-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: or, you can rent a warehouse at the CX and open both the ship cargo and warehouse inventory and drag-and-drop between them [10-Nov-21 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok thanks [10-Nov-21 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is there a reason why people would choose metallurgy over construction? it seems the profits are much higher for construction products rather than metallurgy products [10-Nov-21 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or should i build my own prefab plant to build stuff i'll need to expand my base or build more buildings? [10-Nov-21 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Construction eats metallurgy outputs, so they're both needed. If construction products sell better, it's probably because supply of metallurgical products is high. [10-Nov-21 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TwinGs: It all depends. When you go "horizontal" you can throw 5 experts onto a single expertise and gain the benefits. The downside is that you're at the whim of exchange prices. [10-Nov-21 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: the advantage of 'vertical' is that you can get the input mats af much lower prices [10-Nov-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: @twings after ~2 weeks or so its possible that your production is completely different from the starter package you chose, on montem fe constructors are now getting that much profit as they used to, i chose constructor at the beginning and ive got way more agri and manufacturing than construction going on [10-Nov-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: *not instead of now [10-Nov-21 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***timaotheos** joined.* [10-Nov-21 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: /me disappointed there's no DOGE commodity [10-Nov-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Roldo**: in notification settings I disabled 'Production Order Completed' but I still get production order notification. Am I missing something?> [10-Nov-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Roldo: Those are for email notifications. [10-Nov-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It's...sort of silly. [10-Nov-21 04:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***idrislleu** joined.* [10-Nov-21 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: Re: hiding resources from non-working workers...when I set the pioneers in the FP to turn CAF into COF I imagine the scene as they finish the first batch...and tear into it. I mean, every pioneer on the base went on a coffee break, and there was NO permission given. What if that was for sale? They got their padded work overalls and three meals a day (all exactly the same) -- what privilege, these pioneers. [10-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: BTW: We all think we're Starbuck selling PrUn coffee, but selling pre-brewed coffee is so, so Coca-Cola. [10-Nov-21 10:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***jass** joined.* [10-Nov-21 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***ASuperSystem** joined.* [10-Nov-21 10:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ASuperSystem**: hello [10-Nov-21 10:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: welcome to the game! [10-Nov-21 11:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jass**: thanks [10-Nov-21 11:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***wingot** joined.* [11-Nov-21 02:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **thaelina**: Is there a way to disable production notifications ingame? As i get bigger they start coming faster and faster. [11-Nov-21 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: nope [11-Nov-21 02:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: I guess you can turn off audio [11-Nov-21 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: yea but still cant turn off the NOTS at the top right completely [11-Nov-21 02:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Maraluk** joined.* [11-Nov-21 05:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **idrislleu**: Hi guys, I see reference to upgrading buildings in some guides I've read but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do it? Do I have to upgrade my HQ first or something? Any help plz? [11-Nov-21 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: i dont know about any building besides hq that can be upgraded [11-Nov-21 05:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: the only thing you can do with build buildings is to demolish or repair them [11-Nov-21 06:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: to upgrade HQ click HQ from a Base buffer [11-Nov-21 06:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: Only HQ and POPI buildings are upgraded [11-Nov-21 06:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: POPI is built per planet and helps with population happiness and growth [11-Nov-21 07:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kinome** joined.* [11-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***madmohwk** joined.* [11-Nov-21 11:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***hnurk** joined.* [11-Nov-21 11:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how do you bring your ship back to home base? do you type in your catalog ID and choose surface landing? [11-Nov-21 11:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Narhoxide**: type in the planet your base is on for the destination. and yeah choose surface landing [11-Nov-21 12:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BluSham**: can i yolo all my money on otm calls in this game? [11-Nov-21 12:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***templar627** joined.* [11-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: How do I split tiles? [11-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Gear icon in the top right. the - and | [11-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: oh, thanks! [11-Nov-21 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: If I buy from the Commodity Exchange on my planet the material get delivered automatically right? [11-Nov-21 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: Or do I need to send a ship to pick them up? [11-Nov-21 01:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: you need to send a ship [11-Nov-21 01:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: ah, do you mean the local market on your planet? [11-Nov-21 01:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: in that case you dont need to pick it up [11-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: Ah, ok thanks [11-Nov-21 01:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***SlyMcBeans** joined.* [11-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i'm at the commodity exchange on moria [11-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and want to send my ship back home [11-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it shows me 2 options, 11 hour to orbit and 6 min to land [11-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but when i press start, it says it'll take 11 hours [11-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how do i specify i want to land the ship? [11-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: click on "Surface landing" [11-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it's already selected [11-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: then you did it [11-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but why does it say it'll take 11 hours? [11-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so with surface landing highlighted yellow [11-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it shows me 0 TRA Moria-Montem (orbit) 11 hour [11-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and 1 LND Moria - Montem 6 min [11-Nov-21 01:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but when i press Start under CMD it says it'll take 11 hour for the flight [11-Nov-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: can anybody please tell me if this is an error or how can i pick the 6 min travel? [11-Nov-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Baalofhell** joined.* [11-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: they are not options, they are flight segments [11-Nov-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: 11 hours to travel, 6 mins to land [11-Nov-21 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok thanks [11-Nov-21 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: also 11 hours is pretty fast, you may want to go slower and save fuel [11-Nov-21 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: depends on when you plan to get on again [11-Nov-21 03:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: 11 hours is like essentially the slowest option [11-Nov-21 03:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: montem>MOR? if you slide the bar all the way to min it should be 2 days+ [11-Nov-21 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: not saying to do that, but that there are slower options [11-Nov-21 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: in this game 11 hours flight is pretty quick [11-Nov-21 03:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: yeah thats a fast burn in the moria system [11-Nov-21 03:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: really depends on orbital positioning [11-Nov-21 04:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***FilthyPeasant** joined.* [11-Nov-21 04:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FilthyPeasant**: Ok, so if I wanted pop from a category that exists, but has 0 unemployment on the planet, how would i go about getting them. eg: technicians on Montem [11-Nov-21 05:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sheiphtu** left.* [11-Nov-21 05:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sheiphtu** joined.* [11-Nov-21 05:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: wait [11-Nov-21 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FilthyPeasant**: i figured as much [11-Nov-21 06:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: do the planets move? [11-Nov-21 06:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Yes [11-Nov-21 06:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: mind blown [11-Nov-21 07:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **wingot**: Like, orbitting? Or they just get shuffled around occasionally? [11-Nov-21 07:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Proper orbital mechanics. At 20x speed. [11-Nov-21 09:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: You can see the movement if you plot a route with a ship and move the fuel usage thingy far to the left and repeat that action multiple times [11-Nov-21 09:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: currently my planet moves ~1 km/s away from benten station [11-Nov-21 09:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: *1000 km/s [11-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: is there a term for 1k km? [11-Nov-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: Megameter is listed as Mm not to be confused with mm? [11-Nov-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: i can see why it is not widely adopted [11-Nov-21 09:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I dont think there is, there are special units for space afaik [11-Nov-21 09:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: like AU or whatever, astronomical unit (might be wrong, but thats the jist) [11-Nov-21 09:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: gist* [11-Nov-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: isn't an au the distance from the earth to the sun or something? [11-Nov-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: yeppers [11-Nov-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yay! [11-Nov-21 11:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: <-- feels smart for remembering basic facts [11-Nov-21 11:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Versalius** joined.* [11-Nov-21 11:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: <-- didn't know that basic fact and had to search up what AU was [11-Nov-21 11:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: petition to measure in AUUs: australia units [11-Nov-21 11:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: one AUU is the largest great circle length of australia from point to point [11-Nov-21 11:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Goresh**: It is obviously the distance from Australia to the sun. [11-Nov-21 11:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: ngl, its better than km [12-Nov-21 02:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***WyWayt** joined.* [12-Nov-21 03:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***immi** joined.* [12-Nov-21 04:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Scourge** joined.* [12-Nov-21 04:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Scourge** left.* [12-Nov-21 06:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***James_H** joined.* [12-Nov-21 08:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Testinggod** joined.* [12-Nov-21 08:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Testinggod**: Hello [12-Nov-21 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Hey! [12-Nov-21 08:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: o/ [12-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***lillangey** joined.* [12-Nov-21 01:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Miracle4you7** joined.* [12-Nov-21 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheDominator** joined.* [12-Nov-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheDominator** left.* [12-Nov-21 01:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheDominator** joined.* [12-Nov-21 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheDominator**: what should i do after i built my base [12-Nov-21 01:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheDeflector** joined.* [12-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you have a good chunk on initial cash. You can start buying stuff on the commodity exchange to keep your base running, probably build a new production building, too [12-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: and then send a ship to the CX (slow burn, don't waste fuel) to pick that stuff up [12-Nov-21 01:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Coliq. Restart as your starting location to be the cx. Grab what you need and then 1 way flight with one boat to your planet or choice. [12-Nov-21 01:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Keep 2nd boat at cx for next time you need stuff, or to do shopping ads :) [12-Nov-21 01:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: huh? No need to COLIQ [12-Nov-21 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: The boat has 14,000 worth of fuel when it starts man. [12-Nov-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Even if he was to sell off all fuel after coliq, get another 14000 to buy for initial base setup [12-Nov-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Just throwing ideas :) [12-Nov-21 02:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Apparently you have to build infrastructure but I dont know how to get them out of my cargo ships... [12-Nov-21 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: open cargo on your ship and base inventory and drag-and-drop [12-Nov-21 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: from ship cargo to base storage [12-Nov-21 02:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: It has the circle with a line through it when I try that [12-Nov-21 02:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: is your ship at the same location your inventory is at? namely your planet? [12-Nov-21 02:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: No 8idea [12-Nov-21 02:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: FLT (left side), then look at the Location for each ship [12-Nov-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: They say Benten - Kotoa UV351a [12-Nov-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: And you clicked Start Base on Katoa? [12-Nov-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: BS (left side) - any bases listed? [12-Nov-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: It says HQ at Kotoa [12-Nov-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Yes [12-Nov-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Katoa [12-Nov-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Are you landed or in orbit [12-Nov-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: oh, the circle with a slash might just be what it does when you drag and drop [12-Nov-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: when you drag an item from the ship cargo over to the base storage, what icons do you get there? [12-Nov-21 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Usually things like 1, 10, HLF, ALL. Or do you get a red X in a box? [12-Nov-21 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So I have the cargo up... BBH, BDE, etc... when I left click on one of them to drag, the number of each stays the same and the slash circle pops up immediately [12-Nov-21 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, just try dragging it even with that slash-circle [12-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: And where do I drag it to [12-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I have the HQ - Katoa tile up and it has 0 for my inventory [12-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: But all the same materials are listed. [12-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: base storage. INV (left side) and choose Katoa [12-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Ooooo [12-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: nevermind. [12-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I had to change the inventory drop down [12-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: wait [12-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: don't "assign" anything via HQ [12-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can't get those back [12-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that's not for new players [12-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Oh [12-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: okay, i didnt assign them yet [12-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you just want to work via INV. That has ship cargo holds and base storage [12-Nov-21 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Ooo now i see [12-Nov-21 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So do I drag and drop to the ALL option? [12-Nov-21 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yes [12-Nov-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Good lord... this is confusing [12-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the learning curve is steep but short [12-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: once you get the hang of it, it all kind of clicks [12-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: How many hours a day do you all put into this? [12-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I put in too many considering I can't use them productively [12-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: actually playing? ~.25 (15m) [12-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but i hang out here all the time :) [12-Nov-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: looking up listings, future planning, chatting, etc [12-Nov-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: Typically you can do fine with less than 1h, you CAN spend more time productively, but it's not necessariy if you're just focusing on your own production [12-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: on the weekends is when i usually do all my restocking and setup for the week, and that can take an hour or two over a couple days, but i run 5 bases and a lot of different products / needs, so for a single base it'd be much less [12-Nov-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheDeflector** left.* [12-Nov-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheDeflector** joined.* [12-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Jesus. You all are busy. [12-Nov-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the game just keeps scaling up. takes a few months to get to a second base, but that time keeps shortening as you add more. now i could settle a nearly full new base (on a hospitable planet) every week, if i could keep up with HQ base permit upgrade costs. [12-Nov-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Whats the endgame? [12-Nov-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: there's not really one. folks chase shipbuilding and being able to internalize the infrastructure required to build your own ships, or high tier items to sell to the CX market makers, but that's about it [12-Nov-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: play until you've attained whatever personal glory indicators you've set for yourself [12-Nov-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Hrmm [12-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the idea is a persistent universe, so the end game is to get to the top of the food chain and stay there [12-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Im gonna think I have no chance lol [12-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but the universe will be reset at least one more time before it's finalized [12-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you become competitive almost by default as long as you manage your stuff ok [12-Nov-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the game scales _a lot_, and industries are built for growth. so it takes some time, but eventually you can easily be the top dog in some industry or another [12-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: current pattern seems to be that the people who actually achieve 'winning' (as in, no further meaningful growth available) have a tendency of quitting, so the top spots are generally rotating. and the economy is varied enough it's not like there's a leaderboard or anything, but definitely some elite players who are on a different level in terms of scale and income [12-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Is it dickish to put an .01 when putting requests in lol [12-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and i'm nowhere near that level -- so there's a lot of room to grow [12-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: kind of, but people do it all the time [12-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: self included [12-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: It's completely fine [12-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I feel like I should be on the Price is Right... [12-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: One might argue it's not, but it's not a strong argument, so who cares :D [12-Nov-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it opens the door to penny wars. the game will limit the number of times you can relist in 24h before fees kick in, so penny wars aren't too bad -- but if you undercut by a penny, it's highly likely someone else (or the person you undercut) will do it right back to you [12-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Oooo [12-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i mean, you can apply some simple logic to determine if it's a dick move -- if someone did it to you would you think they were being a dick? if so, then it's a dick move. [12-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So if in my base, it says I ned a basic med kit, and the benten station doesnt have any available, i can go to another station right? [12-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you do not need a basic med kit [12-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: It says its essential [12-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: what is telling you you do? [12-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: for what kind of worker, and do you have any of those kind of workers? [12-Nov-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: If it has the units per day thing under the type of worker, that means I have them correct? [12-Nov-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: not if it's grayed out [12-Nov-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that's just telling you what it would take if you had those workers [12-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Ooo alright [12-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you're almost certainly just going to need pioneers to start, and their column only shows DW,RAT,OVE as "essential", and PWO,COF as "luxury" [12-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: so how do I cancel my requests for this other stuff? [12-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: well, it doesn't call them luxury, but elsewhere that's how they're referenced [12-Nov-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: NEW BFR (bottom left) and type CXOS [12-Nov-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that will list all your CX orders and you can delete the ones you want to cancel [12-Nov-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Oh lawd [12-Nov-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Alright. Got only drinking water ordered [12-Nov-21 05:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Jdawgie** joined.* [12-Nov-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BlueHeeler** joined.* [12-Nov-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BlueHeeler**: I have two food processors. Is it not possible to get one repeating DW and the other repeating RAT? [12-Nov-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: sort-of. You can use batch size to try to get the DW order to take approximately as many hours as the RAT order [12-Nov-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: then put both as recurring and they'll alternate [12-Nov-21 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BlueHeeler**: Ok, I'll try that. Iput both recurring... RAT then DW and it always does RAT. [12-Nov-21 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Right, because RAT takes 3x as long or something [12-Nov-21 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BlueHeeler**: Thank [12-Nov-21 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I have to send one of my cargo ships to Benten station to pick up an order if its status is pending, correct? [12-Nov-21 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: You can use CXOS to make sure the order was filled. If it was, then your goods are probably being held in a contract (CONT, left side) awaiting pickup, yes [12-Nov-21 07:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So its not in the cxos list but its under my pending contracts [12-Nov-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you click View on that contract there should be a greyed-out fulfill button. Once your ship arrives at the CX, that button will turn yellow and clicking it will move the goods into your ship [12-Nov-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Yeah, it doesn't look like its clickable yet. [12-Nov-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I think I sent a ship to the station earlier? [12-Nov-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: FLT will show you where your ships are and ETA to arrival [12-Nov-21 07:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: 19 hours... it says in transit and the destination is Benten station [12-Nov-21 07:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: there you go, just gotta be patient. Kudos for not burning an enormous amount of fuel on a 6hr flight or something :) [12-Nov-21 07:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: The dude said not to 100% it. lol [12-Nov-21 07:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: good advice [12-Nov-21 07:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: From what I've seen the Reactor usage doesn't affect speed that much for some reason [12-Nov-21 07:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: I guess it depends on how many jumps you need to take [12-Nov-21 07:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So why does my rig currently have repair next to demolish? It is because it's been used for 5 hours? [12-Nov-21 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Buildings degrade over time [12-Nov-21 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: I wouldn't recommend repairing earlier than 80 days [12-Nov-21 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So the efficiency of how quickly the product is produced will degrade with the degredation of the building, correct? [12-Nov-21 07:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Yes, logistically. So slowly at first and more quickly past the 90 day mark [12-Nov-21 07:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: How do I turn CIS into NCC? [12-Nov-21 07:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I cannot buy from Moria with CIS [12-Nov-21 07:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: 'FXPO CIS.NCC' [12-Nov-21 07:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Theoretically you can use the FX, but in practice buying from the foreign CX and shipping it to yourself is often better [12-Nov-21 07:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: good to check 'FXPO NCC.CIS' as well, as the two do not automatically mirror [12-Nov-21 07:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, I just buy stuff with CIS in Benten and sell it in Moria [12-Nov-21 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: though I have used FX in a pinch a couple of times [12-Nov-21 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: It looks like the BSE I need is cheapest in Moria so I can build buildings [12-Nov-21 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yeah, I used FX to get CIS for FF to come home XD [12-Nov-21 07:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: good eye. Many of us Castillo-Ito folks do precisely that [12-Nov-21 07:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: basic prefabs are almost always cheapest in moria -- question is whether it's worth the fuel/time to go get them there. if you're not from moria, it's at least a few thousand round trip to get there and back, so you'd need to be saving/making at least that much on the trip to make it worth it [12-Nov-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: It used to be that not a whole lot of BEN goods could be traded for profit in MOR. But these days, there are plenty of goods that sell higher in MOR than locally. [12-Nov-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://fio.fnar.net/tradefinder can help find those [12-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yeah seems to be true all over, specialties are starting to develop. not huge price differences, but stuff that's reliably cheaper/more expensive in one system vs another [12-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So how can I make goods if I dont have buildings with the prefab? [12-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: anything you can't make you buy at the cx [12-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: the cs being the benten station? [12-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: cx* [12-Nov-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: hell sometimes things you _can_ make you still buy at the cx, either because you can't make them fast enough or other things are more profitable [12-Nov-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yes, Benten is your closest CX [12-Nov-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if BEN station is your closest CX then yes -- the CX is the Commodity Exchange, they're on the Stations in each primary system -- BEN, MOR, ANT, HRT [12-Nov-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So the BSE in Moria is going for about 750 while they're going for 970 in Benten [12-Nov-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so if you're going to buy 20 or more it might pay for the trip [12-Nov-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: figuring it [12-Nov-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I need at least 16 [12-Nov-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it's going to cost like 4k in fuel to go there and back [12-Nov-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: plus it takes about a day and a half each way [12-Nov-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: at reasonable fuel spend [12-Nov-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: But I'd lose money doing a currency exchange between CIS and NCC [12-Nov-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: just bring something that sells there [12-Nov-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I dont have anything to sell? [12-Nov-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you don't have anything on hand, buy something at BEN station to haul to MOR station and sell there to get NCC [12-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I just started. [12-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: BSE aren't free, whether you spend CIS or NCC, you have to buy them with money [12-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you have CIS, spend it on a _different_ commodity at BEN station [12-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: then fly that commodity to MOR station [12-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: then sell it for NCC [12-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: then buy BSE with NCC [12-Nov-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i played for months when gas was way more expensive and i just ate it and paid more expensive BEN prices for fabs. the price difference isn't make or break, and often paying the higher price to buy locally is worth it for convenience factor [12-Nov-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I'll want to find something that sells for cheaper at Benten than it does at Moria, right? [12-Nov-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: take a look at, say, GAL (under minerals) - currently selling for 65ea in BEN and people are willing to buy them for 100 in MOR, for instance [12-Nov-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: certainly [12-Nov-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: best way to maximize your trip, for sure [12-Nov-21 07:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you ca make money both going and coming home, all the better [12-Nov-21 07:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: do be aware that if it's a low-volume good, another trader with the same idea might fill the demand before you can get there, so there is some risk [12-Nov-21 07:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and the more stuff you can take to sell in moria, the better -- load the ship as much as possible. then buy as much as you can while you're there to sell back here after you've gotten what you need. [12-Nov-21 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: some folks play the entire game as traders doing exactly that [12-Nov-21 07:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but from another perspective (mine) the savings isn't as consequential as it seems, especially not at low volume with a just-starting-out bankroll. you can get by just fine paying BEN prices (which are pretty low for BEN right now) [12-Nov-21 07:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So I should just bite the bullet to get myself going? [12-Nov-21 07:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: up to you whether you want to take on the additional cost/complexity/time obligation of interstellar trade out the gate. it can definitely be rewarding but it's far from necessary [12-Nov-21 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you probably want those BSE pretty soon to build a new building and get producing, right Miracle? Flight from BEN to MOR and back again is like 2.5 days, and if you're only just saving as much as the fuel to get there and back, probably not worth it right now [12-Nov-21 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: really either way is fine. i guess i just come in as devil's advocate because sometimes new players see a small price difference and think that means they _have_ to go chasing the better deal or they're not doing it right. when really, it's an option, but it's not make or break [12-Nov-21 07:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So I'm at the top of the requests for BSEs but theres a 10CIS spread. How likely will the sellers reduce their prices? [12-Nov-21 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: for 10 CIS a unit, you're probably better off just buying at ask [12-Nov-21 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: the spread is 150 right now [12-Nov-21 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: 970 lowest Ask [12-Nov-21 07:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Sorry, my 5 doesnt work all the time. I meant 150* [12-Nov-21 08:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can judge how often the price comes down to the bid side of things by looking at the price chart. I like to put it on 7day view [12-Nov-21 08:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so best way to see the likelihood is to open the 'chart' for the listing and set it to, say, 7 days or 30 days, and look at how the price has fluctuated and how it's trending [12-Nov-21 08:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: that'll give you a good indicator of whether it's likely that someone will come to you at your price [12-Nov-21 08:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: from experience, BSE can jump around and sales can be quick. so if you're at the top of bids and have 12h to spare, might hold on and see if they come to you [12-Nov-21 08:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but if a lot of asks pile up higher than yours, the likelihood of getting back down to you gets slimmer [12-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So the chart... Red is the seller and green is the buyer [12-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: on the chart I think it's up is green and down is red [12-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: red or green indicates that the price fell or rose during the period -- if you're not used to that kind of chart, google 'candlestick chart' -- it's a common type of chart for stocks [12-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Yeah red and green is just an indicator of going down or up [12-Nov-21 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: but in the order book, red are those selling and green are those buying [12-Nov-21 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I do stocks, just not that type of chart stocks lol [12-Nov-21 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: which can give you insight in a different way -- based on immediate liquidity and pressure based on volume [12-Nov-21 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: uh [12-Nov-21 08:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: ok [12-Nov-21 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: a candlestick chart is like the most basic way to view the change in a stock's price over time [12-Nov-21 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: If you're looking at the 7 day outlook for the BSE, there were times when someone came down to 500CIS to meeet an order? [12-Nov-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Ugh this computer sucks. Def not a gaming computer. [12-Nov-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: possibly, but also look at volume, and see if the period closed at that price or if it just dipped for a single sale and rose again before close [12-Nov-21 08:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i wouldn't advise looking at the lowest price on the chart and thinking 'yeah i'll just bid at that price and wait a week' because that's a big gamble [12-Nov-21 08:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: This game is ridiculously indepth. ha [12-Nov-21 08:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: This is an economic simulator MMO after all [12-Nov-21 08:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but you can probably bid fairly low according with how long you're willing to wait. _eventually_ someone will sell cheap. but banking on someone selling at the low water mark is really risky -- even just having the bid there might guarantee it never goes that low [12-Nov-21 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: as others will outbid you for big volumes at low margins assuming you know something they dont [12-Nov-21 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it gets downright psychological quickly [12-Nov-21 08:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Well, Im at the top currently because I want to get this show on the road but I also dont want to pay full price if haggling is an option [12-Nov-21 08:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yep totally reasonable [12-Nov-21 08:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: only reason to buy at ask is because you need it now or the price difference is small enough you don't care [12-Nov-21 08:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: when starting out the _only_ reason is usually the former -- once your bankroll gets bigger you (me at least) start to feel like a thousand difference here or there isn't worth waiting on a bid; you buy at ask just to not think about it [12-Nov-21 08:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I guess it wont hurt to wait a day to see if something happens [12-Nov-21 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: absolutely, often patience is rewarded. if you want it now you have to pay, otherwise you have to wait. and the market just isn't busy enough for instant gratification. you have to wait for someone to be ready to sell or check on their asks and look at your bid and decide the price is good enough for them. generally takes hours, but is random. could be seconds or days [12-Nov-21 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and depends on the volume traded for the commodity [12-Nov-21 08:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: very interesting. thanks for the info guys. [12-Nov-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: check the price chart to know what a reasonable ask/bid is [12-Nov-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TwoFuzzyRabbits** joined.* [12-Nov-21 11:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***sebsmith** joined.* [13-Nov-21 03:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lauraine** joined.* [13-Nov-21 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: When I build an extractor does it only extract the resources listed on the planet? Or are there resources that are shared across all planets? [13-Nov-21 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: you can only extract the ressources that are listed on the planets discription [13-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: So as a constructor I make most of my money by making stuff in the prefab plant? [13-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: or the basic materials plant? [13-Nov-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Forseral**: PP# is what you're looking for, @templar627. [13-Nov-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Forseral**: The BMP is for bootstrapping certain things, but the PP series is for making actual construction components. [13-Nov-21 11:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: there are a number of profitable things to do with a BMP [13-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***FarseerYak** joined.* [13-Nov-21 04:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***MasterTater** joined.* [13-Nov-21 05:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***darata** joined.* [13-Nov-21 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Is there a way for someone to tell the last time another player signed on? [13-Nov-21 05:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: No, not directly. If they have PRO their rating will drop within a day usually [13-Nov-21 06:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: guys why my first contracts is pending? [13-Nov-21 06:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: what sort of contract is it, one with a player or did you buy something off the CX? [13-Nov-21 06:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: cx [13-Nov-21 06:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: you need to have a ship there or rent storage to finish it, you've bought the stuff you just have to pick it up [13-Nov-21 06:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: should be a fulfill button on the contract if you have any sort of storage at the CX [13-Nov-21 06:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: ok so i need to ship my cargo on market? [13-Nov-21 06:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea if you've bought something you have to transport it back to your base with a ship [13-Nov-21 06:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: thx [13-Nov-21 06:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: np [13-Nov-21 07:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***HungryWolf1** joined.* [13-Nov-21 07:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **HungryWolf1**: I'm a little confused. I bought some H20 the order was filled, but the H20 never ended up in my inventory? [13-Nov-21 07:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Do you mean your base inventory? The CX is a space station, not at your planet. So if you don't have a ship already at the CX, your goods will be put in a contract (CONT, left side) awaiting pickup [13-Nov-21 07:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **HungryWolf1**: OOohhhhhh thanks. [13-Nov-21 08:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: does our workforce grow by itself? [13-Nov-21 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: its complicated [13-Nov-21 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: if so, how do we check that it's not getting capped by the amount of habitats we've built? [13-Nov-21 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: and does growing population increase production speed or efficiency? [13-Nov-21 08:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: it will be capped by habs [13-Nov-21 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: like it says i require 180 pioneers [13-Nov-21 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: but my current workforce and capacity are 200 [13-Nov-21 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: yes. that means *required to run your production at full capacity* [13-Nov-21 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: it doesnt mean you are missing any workers [13-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: but does it mean i have 20 people who are eating food and not contributing? [13-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: no [13-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: you dont feed more than you employ [13-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: ok, so even if i suddenly built 3 more habitats and it gradually filled with pioneers i'm not wasting anything? [13-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: I think if you delete production you feed them for the rest of the week [13-Nov-21 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: if you prebuild a lot of habs, its not really efficient but no it wont increase your consumable consuption rate [13-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: "waste" is going to be a matter of opinion on that I suppose [13-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: yeah i wouldn't build habitats without other production buildings to utilize them [13-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: but just wanted to know how it worked [13-Nov-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **timaotheos**: thanks [13-Nov-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: ya, there are some other caveats about getting workers on unoccupied "new" planets, but ya, for the starer planets it works pretty much like youd think it would [13-Nov-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: for planets without natural life support, population will not grow without extra space in Habitats, but that does not apply to starter planets [13-Nov-21 09:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BlueHeeler** left.* [13-Nov-21 11:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Texx**: In the base buffer, what does the number in brackets mean in the "Current Workforce" column? [13-Nov-21 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: Available workers - these are workers that are unemployed and are there instantly if you provide work for them. [13-Nov-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: for Pioneers on starter planets there is almost always enough for your needs, higher tier workers less so [14-Nov-21 12:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Texx**: Why would the current number of workers + the number in the brackets in the "Workforce Overview" be more than the total capacity. And why when I go into the "Building Construction" buffer, does the number of available pioneers in those brackets vastly exceed the number shown on the "Workforce Overview" of the "Base" buffer? [14-Nov-21 12:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#my-workforce-says-something-like-180-40-what-does-the-number-in-brackets-mean {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [14-Nov-21 12:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/planetary-population/#worker-redistribution {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/planetary-population/ 9. Planetary Populations :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [14-Nov-21 12:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Texx**: I see. So if you reserve from the planetary pool, are the workers locked in permanently, or if the pool decreases next week and you've recruited the max number of worker, must you provided the difference with housing? If it is permanent, does the number of available workers get refreshed every week, regardless of how many you have recruited?? [14-Nov-21 01:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: You always need housing for them to work. The reserve is just how many you can get before the next POPR [14-Nov-21 01:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Every POPR, workers get redistributed evenly (per job opening). [14-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: Is there a planet search? To search for specific resources or soil fertility etc? [14-Nov-21 01:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **opie**: @templar627 https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch [14-Nov-21 01:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **opie**: http://prun.plexucra.de/map/ [14-Nov-21 01:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **opie**: https://universallogistics.app/ and this is helpful, too [14-Nov-21 01:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: http://www.prosperous.freecluster.eu/?i=3 is good too [14-Nov-21 01:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: Thanks! [14-Nov-21 03:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***athus** joined.* [14-Nov-21 04:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***BurgerPlanet** joined.* [14-Nov-21 04:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BurgerPlanet**: All my messages are gray in Global Chat and don't seem to be sent at all [14-Nov-21 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BurgerPlanet**: Am I muted somehow? [14-Nov-21 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BurgerPlanet**: I use a pretty popular VPN if that matters. [14-Nov-21 04:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: i am seeing your messages here [14-Nov-21 04:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: nothing in global though [14-Nov-21 04:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kiritomiles** joined.* [14-Nov-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BurgerPlanet**: Neon, this long [14-Nov-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BurgerPlanet**: I just typed "this long" [14-Nov-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BurgerPlanet**: It's almost like I'm banned [14-Nov-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saabo**: i can see "BurgerPlanet is typing.." in global but no actual messages [14-Nov-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BurgerPlanet**: (I have definitely never sent anything banworthy) [14-Nov-21 04:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BurgerPlanet**: The messages show up as grayed out [14-Nov-21 04:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Try leaving and rejoining the chat [14-Nov-21 04:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BurgerPlanet**: Huh... that worked... weird, I tried that before! I swear! [14-Nov-21 06:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: i think msgs greyed out mean they didnt get send/recieved yet [14-Nov-21 07:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***darata** left.* [14-Nov-21 07:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***darata** joined.* [14-Nov-21 07:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: guys how can buy some items [14-Nov-21 07:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: players product [14-Nov-21 07:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: and is possible build some cargo??? [14-Nov-21 08:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: ships? [14-Nov-21 08:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @darata you buy other player's goods on a CX [14-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: ok thx [14-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: y ships [14-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: is possible to build some ??? or i only have 2 [14-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: I believe you can build them eventually once you get the parts needed but I'm not 100% as Im new myself. [14-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: ok [14-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: thx [14-Nov-21 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: New ships are pretty expensive and I believe are still currently limited to SF ships only. People are gearing up to make FF ships, but its a process [14-Nov-21 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: thx [14-Nov-21 09:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: there was a my curiosity [14-Nov-21 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: howdy [14-Nov-21 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: If you demolish a building, do you get the rss back that you used to build it? [14-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: some. your buildings deteriorate over time [14-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: If i just built it a half hour ago? [14-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you have like a 1hr window to tear it down for free in case of mistakes [14-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: when you look at your list of buildings, the 'repair' cost is what you lose, the 'reclaim' mats are what you get back [14-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: So as long as it has no repair costs, you'll get everything back? [14-Nov-21 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yep [14-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Phew [14-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Alright. [14-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Demo'd buildings and bought a farmstead. [14-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: after that first hour you lose your first round of mats, at least 1 of each, and you lose mats linearly over like 180 days. efficiency loss is not linear, it starts off slow and then falls off a cliff around 80d, so conventional wisdom is to repair right around 80d. you'll go from high 80s efficiency to mid 70s efficiency over the course of like a week or two [14-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but you'll stay at high 90s efficiency for the first 50-60 days before it really starts winding up [14-Nov-21 09:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ravencloak** joined.* [14-Nov-21 10:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: we like to demo! [14-Nov-21 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Thankfully I have a very nice friend who talked me through a bunch of stuff and gave me what I need to build more buildings. Now I just have to wait til my ship gets to his planet to pick 'em up. lol [14-Nov-21 11:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Tron31** joined.* [14-Nov-21 11:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Tron31**: How do I transfer resources from my ships to my base? [14-Nov-21 11:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: drag [14-Nov-21 11:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: open the ship cargo bay [14-Nov-21 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: and open the base inventory screen [14-Nov-21 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: drag from one to the other [14-Nov-21 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: If anyone has [14-Nov-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: If anyone has any extra CIS laying around they dont need, I'll take it off your hands... :D [14-Nov-21 11:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: how can join in a group? [14-Nov-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: I would start working with people to develop relationships. Then you can either form a group with them, or perhaps receive an invitation. [14-Nov-21 12:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Entrusive** joined.* [14-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: a ok [14-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: so for join i need a invite??? [14-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: i think so [14-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: okj [14-Nov-21 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can join this discord server where there are corps listed who are looking to recruit ppl https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP [14-Nov-21 01:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **darata**: thx for tips [14-Nov-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: I picked up a shipment for a contract and its not in my ship. say fulfilled. is this a bug? [14-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: is it in any other inventory where you picked it up? it doesnt automatically go into your ship [14-Nov-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: normally, it places it in my ship when im docked. [14-Nov-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **STaSHZILLA**: but i have it figured out. sorry. [14-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***flyingturtle101** joined.* [14-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **flyingturtle101**: hey how do I exchange currencies? [14-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ficks_Dinkum**: It's possible to use the FX, but most people don't - they buy something in one currency, fly it to another CX, and then sell it to get the currency they want. [14-Nov-21 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you also can pay in other currencies on the cx [14-Nov-21 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: *lm not cx [14-Nov-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Can i get an invite to the discord chat too? [14-Nov-21 04:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Please and thank you [14-Nov-21 04:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: which discord? [14-Nov-21 04:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Oh maybe i read it wrong... idk what a corps is in terms of the game. [14-Nov-21 04:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: in this game - nothing. [14-Nov-21 04:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: it's all run through discord tbh. [14-Nov-21 04:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: late game - in-game has 1 building that gives every1 a 10% bonus to bases on the same planet as the corp bldg [14-Nov-21 04:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: What is run through the discord? [14-Nov-21 04:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: corp dealings [14-Nov-21 04:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: but there is a TON of useful info even if you don't join one. it's not required at all. [14-Nov-21 04:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: https://discord.gg/EDDykGqU [14-Nov-21 04:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Just look around, view the help-advice, and let me know if you want the PrUn tools discord too [14-Nov-21 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: the tools is probably the most useful one for a more solo play, and just for general knowledge/info/help [14-Nov-21 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: https://discord.gg/QRdEqtzB [14-Nov-21 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: ty! [14-Nov-21 04:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Joined! [14-Nov-21 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Does the type of planet effect things like health and safety? For example, does a low temp/low pressure planet require more planetary infrastructure than a normal planet in order to maintain need fulfillment? [14-Nov-21 05:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: I'm looking at two planets that were both colonized about a month ago with a similar growth rate. After 4 weeks one has 87% health and the other has 97%. [14-Nov-21 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: wb-675c vs wb-947b [14-Nov-21 07:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: no, but each base provides health and safety. [14-Nov-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***ConventiaUnderking** joined.* [14-Nov-21 07:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: Are commodity exchanges still on planets or did that change? [14-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: They are stations in certain systems [14-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: But not on the planets themselves [14-Nov-21 07:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: Is Harmonia close enough to use the exchange? [14-Nov-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: I just want to make sure I didn't make a bad pick before starting. [14-Nov-21 07:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Im honestly not sure so im trying to figure out where harmonia is [14-Nov-21 07:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Looks like you are 2 jumps away from ANT? [14-Nov-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: Yes, seems right. [14-Nov-21 07:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: It will be slightly harder since you have a longer travel time/cost to fly, but Id expect its fine. [14-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: How do you find different planets without knowing the identifiers for the buffer tab? [14-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: If you open a buffer with just PLI no code, you can search for things [14-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: oooo [14-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Miracle4you7**: Ty! [14-Nov-21 07:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Np [14-Nov-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: Thanks. [14-Nov-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I go to BLU using my test ship [14-Nov-21 07:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: type in nickname of planet [14-Nov-21 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: So if the base provides health and safety why does one planet have more than the other? [14-Nov-21 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: one must have a higher population, and/or a higher tier population than the other [14-Nov-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: higher pop, higher requirements [14-Nov-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: faster growth, faster the requirements were generated, [14-Nov-21 08:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: talking about wb-675c vs wb-947b. Both colonzied about the same time and have similar populations. [14-Nov-21 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: Is there something to do to make money while the production lines run or do I just watch the tutorials and come back in a few hours? [14-Nov-21 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: i know what you're talking about. I also know there are too many variables to give you a good answer [14-Nov-21 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: One could have gotten the first base 3 months prior than the other one having any base [14-Nov-21 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: thats three months of deterioration [14-Nov-21 08:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I can only give you the various factors that may explain the variation.. [14-Nov-21 08:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I would watch the tutorials tbh. The first week or so is a bunch of idling while grasping the game [14-Nov-21 08:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: That would be helpful. Both bases were colonized one month ago. Each has just one base and nearly the same population growth rate. [14-Nov-21 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I would learn the numbers on when you will run out of your CONS (consumables that your population use every week), as well as your building inputs [14-Nov-21 08:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: You'll need to plan on shipping a boat to the nearest CX with whatever outputs you've made, to sell those, buy what you need for another week or two, and get it back to your base all before you run out of supplies [14-Nov-21 08:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: can someone please explain to me how to read the price chart bars? [14-Nov-21 08:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: transaction prices - [14-Nov-21 08:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what do green bars mean and what do red bars mean? [14-Nov-21 08:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and if there's a bar plus a line, what does that mean? [14-Nov-21 08:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: the blue line? [14-Nov-21 08:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like why are there some that have a thick bar plus a thin line that extends further? [14-Nov-21 08:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: no, the line is consistent with the bar colour, like red or green [14-Nov-21 08:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: i think the line shows the trend result? [14-Nov-21 08:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: not sure tbh. i only focus on the green vs red, and the blue trend [14-Nov-21 08:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok [14-Nov-21 08:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so what does red mean and what does green mean? [14-Nov-21 08:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: whether the selling price increased? [14-Nov-21 08:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i mean buying price? [14-Nov-21 08:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: relative to previous day? [14-Nov-21 08:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: what the transaction was, a buy or a sell [14-Nov-21 08:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: green means buy? red means sell? [14-Nov-21 08:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or other way around? [14-Nov-21 08:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I think red is a selling ad being done, and green a purchasing ad done [14-Nov-21 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: Do commodities spoil? [14-Nov-21 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: no, no spoilage in game [14-Nov-21 08:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: Thanks. [14-Nov-21 08:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: How important are luxury commodities? [14-Nov-21 08:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AussieSpaceman**: depends, for PIOs youre basically only really gonna use PWOs if at all, higher than that idk [14-Nov-21 08:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AussieSpaceman**: they arent strictly nessecery and you just have to see if its worth it for your specific company/base [14-Nov-21 09:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dreadnott** joined.* [14-Nov-21 09:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Alka**: is there some resource to find out about how much efficency gains to expect for having a given number of unused base permits? [14-Nov-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Alka** deleted this message.* [14-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Alka**: I'm on montem trying to figure out if it's worth it to upgrade the HQ for more construction+metalurgy efficiency or it's better to just put down more buildings. [14-Nov-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ HQ - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [14-Nov-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that has costs of upgrades and formula for faction/HQ boost [14-Nov-21 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Alka**: this is not the first time you've helped me zizzleswomp. Thanks, you're a saint! [14-Nov-21 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: :) [14-Nov-21 09:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Alka**: aww man, I'm a little disappointed that I can only increase the bonus from the initial x2 (1/2 permits used) to almost x3 (1/a bunch permits used) with a bunch of upgrades, but I guess that's fair to keep the large compaines with lots of experts from absoultely running circles around smaller companies. [14-Nov-21 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Yeah, it's a bit of a bonus for new players with a single base, but given the cost of HQ upgrades, I don't think too many people are using it in a big way. I think you get a lot more out of your base permits by just expanding your base to 1000 area and leaning in on your experts on that planet. [14-Nov-21 10:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Alka**: Whoa, it wasn't until just now that I realized experts are per-base and not company-wide, and that there's another base exension after the 500->750 one. Neato, thank for those truth bombs! [14-Nov-21 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Alka**: leave it to zizzleswomp, answering questions I didn't even know I had. [15-Nov-21 01:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: What is a CoGC? [15-Nov-21 01:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ConventiaUnderking**: Oh, Chamber of Global Commerce. [15-Nov-21 03:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: What contributes to the speed you extract resources from a planet? [15-Nov-21 03:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: And how do you see how much it contributes? [15-Nov-21 03:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Meep357** joined.* [15-Nov-21 03:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: the speed will be the same, but the amount you will get will not [15-Nov-21 03:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can see hm a planet got on PLI and then your planet [15-Nov-21 03:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: How do you know how much you get then? [15-Nov-21 03:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Like I mean, how much do you get from extraction. [15-Nov-21 03:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you cant see a number there, just the yellow bar, but you can see here hm you get https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch [15-Nov-21 03:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: I see, thanks! [15-Nov-21 05:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheMurderUnicorn** joined.* [15-Nov-21 06:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kalcifer**: how can i find the Moria local chat? [15-Nov-21 07:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: COMG pl-ot-580b [15-Nov-21 07:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: *for montem [15-Nov-21 07:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: there are only local chats for planets, not systems [15-Nov-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I works recommend for building another base, not expanding the one you have [15-Nov-21 07:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Would* [15-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Schlege1** joined.* [15-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how do we build another base? [15-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: You would need to purchase the materials for another CM (Core Module) [15-Nov-21 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and what materials does it require? [15-Nov-21 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: If you find another planet that you want to start a base on and select start base, it'll tell you which materials you'll need [15-Nov-21 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i don't even see a build option to show me what i need [15-Nov-21 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Its BUI CM [15-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: The game gives you the first one [15-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah but when i click on construct [15-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i don't see it in any of the tabs [15-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: that'll give you the base materials for the CM but depending on the planet, you might need extra materials like INS, SEA, HSE, etc [15-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Probably cause the game wont let you build two on a planet [15-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so would i have to click on a new planet and system [15-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and see requirements? [15-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: That's right, only one base can be built on a planet per player [15-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: yeppers [15-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yeah if you try to set up a base it will tell you. There are a bunch of community tools too that could help [15-Nov-21 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: are there a lot more systems than what originally popped up in the creating account screen? [15-Nov-21 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yes try the map button on the left side bar [15-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Yeah there's tons. The starter planets are just easier for starting players to settle on [15-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh i see [15-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so why is it more cost effective to create a new base than to expand a little on your home planet? [15-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or you mean it's better to create a new base after just a few upgrades? [15-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You get 2 permits to start and +1 with each HQ level [15-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: because it costs a lot of resources and fuel tto settle a new base [15-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what do the permits do? [15-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do you have to pay for them? [15-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: So you can expand your 500 area base to 750 with your two permits or you could get 2 bases at 500 each [15-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok [15-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so the permit just means more space for more buildings [15-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Or more bases [15-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: you can build 2 bases on the same planet? [15-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i thought you couldn't [15-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I dont believe you can. [15-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like the permit is planet specific right? [15-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: No universe wide [15-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ohhhhh [15-Nov-21 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is there any faction or profession that produces fuel? [15-Nov-21 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/ Headquarters :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [15-Nov-21 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You want no faction for fuel [15-Nov-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: dang, i feel like i messed up my start [15-Nov-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is there a way to delete account and restart? [15-Nov-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: COLIQ [15-Nov-21 10:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like that completely gives you back what you started with? [15-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: does it let you rechoose faction etc? [15-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Its a full reset. [15-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and planet? [15-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yes [15-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok [15-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so you get to rename everything too [15-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yeah I think you can change your company name too? Your user name stays though [15-Nov-21 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok [15-Nov-21 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea can confirm you can change everything (did it a week or so ago), it sticks you back at the company creation intro with all the starting packages/planets [15-Nov-21 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is it better to be castillo or neo charter for a construction company that also manufactures? [15-Nov-21 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: because they're the same branch right? [15-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh nvm they're not [15-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so confusing because BMP is recommended for constructor [15-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: bmp is recommended for constructor for PE making i think [15-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but it's a manufacturing building as in it benefits from manufacturing experts [15-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: as you need PE for a lot of the pp1 parts [15-Nov-21 10:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: are experts generated over time based on the type of buildings you have? [15-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea, you start with two and you get more based on what production lines you have running [15-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like if i have BMP and PP1 i get both manufacturing and consturction experts over time? [15-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok [15-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yes [15-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and it's doesn't require constant running right? [15-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: At roughly the same rate [15-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: just to have the buildings? [15-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You dont have to keep them running, but its better if they are [15-Nov-21 10:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i wish there was a like a resource and t3ech tree [15-Nov-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so you could see which buildings were required for which resources [15-Nov-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: as opposed to having to click on each one separately [15-Nov-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: there's a base planner spreadsheet that's pretty useful for that [15-Nov-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like i have no idea what i'll need down the road [15-Nov-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: in the long term [15-Nov-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and wasting time and resources can set you back a ton [15-Nov-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like for example i have no idea if i need electronics down the road [15-Nov-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: A lot is just clicking through things [15-Nov-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: all i know right now is you need food water and resources to run early production [15-Nov-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but i don't know where the production leads to lol [15-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Likely you will need most things, but it will be a long long time, if ever, before you are completely self sufficient [15-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Joining discords and the different chats can help as you see what the big boys are buying in mass or where there may be something missing in your market [15-Nov-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i have the discord app on my computer [15-Nov-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is there a way i can join it without an invite? [15-Nov-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or i need an invite to join? [15-Nov-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [15-Nov-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: That has invites to the community ones [15-Nov-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: also has lots of useful tools [15-Nov-21 10:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok [15-Nov-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what are planet tiers btw? [15-Nov-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i'm looking at one of the spreadsheets [15-Nov-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and are the planet tiers pretty consistent with the starting planet recommendations? [15-Nov-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: has to do with habitability and cost to settle [15-Nov-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Which spreadsheet [15-Nov-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1coW_1dmdnEZuAJNwgVOQd8TA9TEOC36igqsiDm4spq0/edit#gid=962546051 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1coW_1dmdnEZuAJNwgVOQd8TA9TEOC36igqsiDm4spq0/edit System Overview 1.0b (Early Access) Overview Select Star System,ZV-759 Max Distance,3 Maximum Tier,3 Fertile,ANY Surface,MCG Planets by distance,Resources Distance,Planet,Fertility,Surface,AP,Grav,Temp,Tier,Mat,%,Mat,%,Mat,%,Mat,%,Mat,% https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/b6Zr8UOqaA5VOQxnGgBtDbPM2wtoNEIw4N6To7Q9fVU/https/lh4.googleusercontent.com/Zm5w_f0ka60a94EQV69Z4_d2umX7lFA5m3OMpc6-Dq0vx2kci3fYy--7VvAbtw0_ctKb05jLoRlyFw%3Dw1200-h630-p [15-Nov-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: there's so many it gives me a headache [15-Nov-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: the system finder? iirc the higher the tier number the more costly it is to settle [15-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh ok [15-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: tier 1 is all you should look at for now [15-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like are there systems that are different from the starting recommendation that are better for construction given the nearby systems that can be settled for more bases? [15-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or does that only look at planets individually for their viability? [15-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: just wanna know before i restart lol [15-Nov-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TwinGs: I suggest either yapt planet search or FIO planet search. Limit your options to "MCG-only" planets. [15-Nov-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: If AEF prices are reasonable, maybe Gaseous as well. [15-Nov-21 11:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: sorry saganaki i don't follow what you're saying [15-Nov-21 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch - Click "Rocky" and "Gaseous" there. [15-Nov-21 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Search. [15-Nov-21 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: That will show all planets that are either Rocky (MCG-required) or Gaseous (AEF required). [15-Nov-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: If you need fertile, check the checkbox for that. [15-Nov-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: If you still need help, I can jump on twitch and stream it and answer any questions you have. [15-Nov-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok thanks [15-Nov-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i seems a bit too much for me right now [15-Nov-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i don't think i've seen enough of the game [15-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to truly appreciate all those things [15-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: I can explain the process for you a tad if you'd like. [15-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Let's start with this: What materials/expertise do you want to build? [15-Nov-21 11:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: He was on Montem, which was a pretty solid choice for construction [15-Nov-21 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***szmuraj** joined.* [15-Nov-21 11:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **szmuraj**: Hi I start today and Im fuel producer but in extractor I can only produce limestone what I do wrong [15-Nov-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: You can only extract what natural resources are on your planet. [15-Nov-21 11:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If that planet doesn't have the kinds of resources you need, you'll need to buy them from the market instead of extracting yourself. [15-Nov-21 11:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Also note that extractors only get solids out of the planet. If you were trying for a liquid, use a rig; for gases, use a collector (COL) [15-Nov-21 11:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: But same thing applies: you can only get liquids and gases that are already present on the planet [15-Nov-21 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Zahariel** joined.* [15-Nov-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: why is it that manufacturers are recommended for gibson or vallis as their starting planets? [15-Nov-21 11:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: when the gases seem so low [15-Nov-21 11:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: gibson has decent H i guess [15-Nov-21 11:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: yeah dunno about vallis [15-Nov-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do resources run out on planets? [15-Nov-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like the water or minerals etc? [15-Nov-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: dont think so no [15-Nov-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do we have to worry about our business dying because we've exhausted the planet? [15-Nov-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: nope [15-Nov-21 11:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: resources stay the same on planets [15-Nov-21 11:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: unless the devs add, remove, or change resources manually [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: btw what gases do collectors collect? [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: whatever is on the planet? [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: whatevers on the planet [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: you can choose if there's multiple [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and how about rigs? [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: also whatever's on the planet? [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: yeppers [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is there anything other than water? [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yep, all extraction is limited to the planets [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: that is liquid? [15-Nov-21 11:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: and same for extracts [15-Nov-21 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: sometimes you'll encounter liqued N or H [15-Nov-21 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: RIG = liquid, COL = gas, EXT = solid [15-Nov-21 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: liquid* [15-Nov-21 11:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: they are usually extracted in such small quantities though that's it's not usually worth it to try and extract them [15-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***PrupleFox** joined.* [15-Nov-21 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what do agricultural experts do? [15-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do they speed up production and increase efficiency of agricultural products only? [15-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or does it impact resource extraction as well? [15-Nov-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: the key is to look at the building info and see the "expertise" [15-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh ok [15-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so it just boosts those specific buildings [15-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: like 'BUI FRM' is listed as agriculture. That means it's efficiency will be boosted by agri experts. If the building says anything else, unaffected [15-Nov-21 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is fuel for jumps expensive? [15-Nov-21 02:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like how much FTL get used per jump? [15-Nov-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: it depends on how many parsecs each jump is, but roughly 15 FF per jump at lowest burn rate [15-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like gibson is 6 jumps away from moria station [15-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: FTL fuel (FF) used to be pretty reasonable, but just in the past couple of days it has hit max price in several markets [15-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is there a way to search for a particular system? [15-Nov-21 02:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Search for it by name, to find it on the map, you mean? Or search for a planet by resources it has? Or what? [15-Nov-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: to your previous question, you can open BLU, make the default ship (same as starter), and click test to try out various flights and see how much fuel they costs, how many jumps/parsecs, etc [15-Nov-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: thanks [15-Nov-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: are there planets and systems not yet explored? [15-Nov-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like you can't just randomly travel and discover something right? [15-Nov-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: also, if you create a base in a new faction area, do you get the bonuses of that faction? [15-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You get the faction bonuses based on where your HQ is located. Its automatically your starter planet if you have only one base [15-Nov-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: all systems are known; there is no exploration component to the game, currently [15-Nov-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: The devs did manually add a new resource to a planet (Avalon), since it was less attractive than other starter planets. But they haven't indicated any intention to make the universe "evolve" by doing that more frequently. So, basically, the universe is likely to stay like it is, planet and resource-wise [15-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok [15-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but what happens when you get a second base [15-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: in a different faction area? [15-Nov-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do you get both bonuses or always only the one from your hq? [15-Nov-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Only one. You can move your HQ every 30d. [15-Nov-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh i didn't even know you can move your hq [15-Nov-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: does it involve travel? or just takes time to activate new bonus from new hq faction area (assuming you picked a different one) [15-Nov-21 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Its instant once you change it. You keep your upgrades too [15-Nov-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh nice [15-Nov-21 04:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***ocha.esservic** joined.* [15-Nov-21 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***ZhiddyWiddy** joined.* [15-Nov-21 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is there a limit to how many bases a trial player can have? [15-Nov-21 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and do all players automatically start with 1 free base permit (extra space)? [15-Nov-21 08:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yes everyone starts with 2 and Free players are limited to a HQ lvl 5 [15-Nov-21 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so even as a new player should i activate my free base permit right away? [15-Nov-21 08:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or it makes no difference until i actually need the space? [15-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: also, is upgrading the HQ different from building more bases? [15-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: it makes no difference until you need the space [15-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like as long as i keep building new bases i don't have to worry about running out of space if i just upgraded my HQ right? [15-Nov-21 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: and yes, upgrading HQ allows for more bases to be built [15-Nov-21 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh, so i have to upgrade HQ to build more bases [15-Nov-21 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: you dont have to right away [15-Nov-21 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: i think you start with 3 base permits [15-Nov-21 09:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah [15-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: 3 base permits means 3 different bases [15-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: so you can settle up to 3 separate bases [15-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and each new HQ level gives 1 more base? [15-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so a free trial player can get 7 bases max? [15-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: i believe that is 6 bases max [15-Nov-21 09:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh ok [15-Nov-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: well i imagine you wouldn't want to have bases too far from one another anyways right? [15-Nov-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: in Moria a lot of people settle vallis and moria [15-Nov-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: montem* [15-Nov-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah [15-Nov-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i can see that [15-Nov-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: but usually the 3rd or 4th base is in a different system [15-Nov-21 09:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: there are advantages to doing so [15-Nov-21 09:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: such as cheaper consumables in HRT [15-Nov-21 09:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: access to different markets or resources [15-Nov-21 09:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what's HRT [15-Nov-21 09:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: hortus [15-Nov-21 09:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: Moria (MOR) Hortus (HRT) [15-Nov-21 09:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: they are different systems each with their own CX and currency [15-Nov-21 09:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: open the map on the left sidebar and you will see the main 4 systems in the game [15-Nov-21 09:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh shoot, when i created my base [15-Nov-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: should i have chosen a plot close to the equator or orbit? [15-Nov-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: does it make a difference? [15-Nov-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: does not matter [15-Nov-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: even for FTL? [15-Nov-21 09:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: on the planets surface, all plots are treated equally [15-Nov-21 09:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: distance between planets in an STL jump, does matter [15-Nov-21 09:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh ok [15-Nov-21 09:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: are you still on montem? [15-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: you will want to wait until the planet is closer to Moria station before leaving to go there [15-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah i'm on montem [15-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i have no idea when is the closest time [15-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: it can save a lot of fuel and travel time [15-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i chose the slowest speed though [15-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: dunno if that changes anything [15-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: best way to check, is looking at the system map [15-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: MS OT-580 [15-Nov-21 09:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: everything moves clockwise, and the closer to the center the planet is, the faster the orbit goes [15-Nov-21 09:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh ok [15-Nov-21 09:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: so, montem orbits about 2x as fast as vallis, and the CX moves between the two speeds [15-Nov-21 09:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: generally, the big thing is avoiding travel when you are on the completely wrong side [15-Nov-21 09:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: well i don't think i can wait until they're the closest [15-Nov-21 09:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: since i restarted and need to get set up again [15-Nov-21 09:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: right, its about 2-3 days before montem catches up to the station [15-Nov-21 09:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how did you know it's about 2-3 days before it catches up to the station? [15-Nov-21 09:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: experience more than anything else [15-Nov-21 09:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh ok [15-Nov-21 09:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: when i started on vallis, i spend a lot of time planning trips [15-Nov-21 09:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how long does it roughly take montem to make 1 full orbit? [15-Nov-21 09:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: hm, probably 5-6 days [15-Nov-21 09:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah kk [15-Nov-21 09:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: vallis is almost 2 weeks [15-Nov-21 09:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: MOR is about 10 days [15-Nov-21 09:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: with workforce consumption [15-Nov-21 09:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do things get rounded up for usage? [15-Nov-21 09:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or it stays as decimal points? [15-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: STAY [15-Nov-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: it'll take the full 1.00 when it eats into the decimal, but it won't take another until it uses the rest of it "behind the scenes" [15-Nov-21 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok [15-Nov-21 09:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: thanks [15-Nov-21 10:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: That is correct. [15-Nov-21 10:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***undefinedSymbol** joined.* [15-Nov-21 10:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***edgytofu** joined.* [15-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Victran** joined.* [15-Nov-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Victran**: Why can I not find a planet with a shipyard [15-Nov-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you can use https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch and click the shipyard checkmark [15-Nov-21 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: currently, there are only 4: one in each CX system [15-Nov-21 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: There is one in each faction primary system, just not the main planets [16-Nov-21 12:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheCollecter** joined.* [16-Nov-21 12:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheCollecter**: Hello, I am new here, any tips for a new fuel refiner? [16-Nov-21 04:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Chimaera**: Question about production fees/taxes. If it costs 30NCC, does that mean 30NCC per unit produced or per batch of units produced? For example, say 8 units of water are produced in one batch, would it cost 240NCC (8*30) or 30NCC? [16-Nov-21 04:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: per unit, yes [16-Nov-21 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: To be more clear: per order size [16-Nov-21 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it's per day [16-Nov-21 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: it is? [16-Nov-21 04:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: 24h of production [16-Nov-21 04:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so if your order takes 8h, it'll be 10ncc for the order [16-Nov-21 04:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: good thing I got corrected [16-Nov-21 04:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Chimaera**: So if 8 units take 8 hours, and in a single cycle I produce 3 batches to have 24 water take 24 hours - would it be 30ncc or 10ncc? [16-Nov-21 04:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: 30ncc for 24h of production [16-Nov-21 04:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Chimaera**: So a flat rate for running the building? [16-Nov-21 04:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if your batches take 8h, it's 10ncc per batch, the qty produced is irrelevant [16-Nov-21 04:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: correct [16-Nov-21 04:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Chimaera**: I see, thanks! [16-Nov-21 04:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: np! [16-Nov-21 05:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: at which condition should I repair my factories?? [16-Nov-21 05:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: i mean whats the point they loose eficiency?? [16-Nov-21 05:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: buildings lose efficiency all the time, but not linearly. it starts off slow, you'll be in the high 90%s for efficiency for like the first 50 days of a building, then it'll start dropping off faster and faster until you hit about 90d at ~80% efficiency, then farther still until you eventually get to i think it's like 30% at 180d. [16-Nov-21 05:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you lose materials from your buildings linearly though across the same 180 days. so at 90d you will have lost about half of all your building materials [16-Nov-21 05:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: conventional wisdom is to repair somewhere around the 80-90d mark, before efficiency loss is too extreme and before you lose more than half the materials in the building [16-Nov-21 05:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: personally i try to monitor my buildings and if they get below 90% efficiency i start planning for repairs -- sometimes it takes a week or two to get all the mats together (depending on how much stuff you need to repair) so that should give you enough time to get to it before it gets really bad [16-Nov-21 05:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: perfect explanation derelict Thx man [16-Nov-21 07:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DIO_OVA** joined.* [16-Nov-21 07:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DIO_OVA** left.* [16-Nov-21 07:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Tatiana** joined.* [16-Nov-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is there a limit on how many partial or unfilled orders you can cancel in a day? does it only allow you to cancel another one when one has been filled? [16-Nov-21 07:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i mean without the financial penalty [16-Nov-21 07:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it's hard when you're starting off and you don't have the capital to add more buy bids instead of changing what you originally offered [16-Nov-21 07:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: someone quoted 5 per item per rolling 24 hours, not 100% sure on that [16-Nov-21 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: can you cancel a sell order? Or do you have to have a warehouse? [16-Nov-21 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: or a ship at the CX [16-Nov-21 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: oh [16-Nov-21 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: damn [16-Nov-21 08:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: warehouses are 100/wk, just get one [16-Nov-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: I only have 2 CIS [16-Nov-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: not possible rn [16-Nov-21 08:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: yikes lol [16-Nov-21 08:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Note that you can still cancel it, but the goods will be locked in a pickup contract [16-Nov-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: why do people buy at 0.1 or 0.2 under the lowest selling price... [16-Nov-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so frustrating that it essentially locks up the market [16-Nov-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: idk [16-Nov-21 08:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: yeah [16-Nov-21 08:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: whats a commodity that's kinda violate that i can play the stock market CX with? [16-Nov-21 09:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: C [16-Nov-21 09:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: volatility probably less important to trading than volume [16-Nov-21 09:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: you can just play the spread if it moves quick enough [16-Nov-21 09:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ocha.esservic**: Well I'm broke. These margins are very thin for a constructor. Imo [16-Nov-21 09:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ocha.esservic**: I couldn't even fill a ship up with raw materials enough to keep my recipes running [16-Nov-21 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: YEs, I would start as a metal and work into construction [16-Nov-21 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: what were you making? i think there's decent margins to be made on some recipes atm, at least around ANT [16-Nov-21 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: some, even running pp2 are at a loss, cheaper to sell the AL/FE sometimes [16-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: ye, AL/FE sells at a steady margin which is nice for newer folk like myself [16-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: depends on where you are, you need to be on Phobos or Montem to be a newbie constructor [16-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: *there may be other alternatives [16-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ocha.esservic**: BSE and MCG just because. The market doesn't seem to show them under or over but I haven't run the numbers. [16-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: which planet are you on? [16-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ocha.esservic**: Montem. Maybe I built up to fast? Grabbing both recommended manufacturing buildings immediately? [16-Nov-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: should be fine building your starter buildings, the mats are included in your starter package [16-Nov-21 09:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: consider switching to PE for your BMP, normally more profitable than MCG - and you can use the PE for fabs [16-Nov-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: C and H is cheap in Mont [16-Nov-21 09:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: PWO using the RCO type can be nice aswell [16-Nov-21 09:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ocha.esservic**: Hmm... Thanks. I need a break and then I'll crunch numbers to see if this is recoverable [16-Nov-21 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: you need your own inputs ideally, atleast 1 ext and 1 SME so your not buying metals, they are too heavy to ship and should only be brought off the LM [16-Nov-21 09:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: but a nice cargo of C and H, converted to PE in your BMP, further converted to BDEs for easy sale [16-Nov-21 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: do not fall in the trap of makeing alot of PT/REP/SUN etc, profits are nice, but demand is very low [16-Nov-21 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: small amounts can make you some nice profits sold directly on LM, large amount will sit there [16-Nov-21 11:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Milliebays** joined.* [16-Nov-21 01:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Whatsthego** joined.* [16-Nov-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BarkerZA** joined.* [16-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Hey all, what would the benefit of a corporation be? I assume it's just HQ bonus type stuff? [16-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: It's primarily a social-layer thing, cooperation at large scales [16-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Ah so group chat and whatnot? [16-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Usually can get internal deals and things as well [16-Nov-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Ah ok cool. Thanks chaps [16-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: In-game CORP features are a glorified chat in-game. Outside of game, it usually entails a discord and coordination. [16-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: That being said, you could probably get pretty far just making deals with people on UFO discord. [16-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Internal loans, coordinating supply chains [16-Nov-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Sounds cool. Maybe I'll join one for the social interaction. The beginning is a grind [16-Nov-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @BarkerZA: Join UFO discord first - https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP - And once you're settled, type "!join recruitment" in the #access-request channel [16-Nov-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Thanks Saganaki [16-Nov-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Will do that [16-Nov-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ocha.esservic**: How accurate is the Financial Overview? [16-Nov-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ocha.esservic**: I jumped into manufacturing without doing maths first and although I haven't sold the finnished products it appears I am down 25% from my starting funds. [16-Nov-21 05:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @ocha ignore it completely, lol. [16-Nov-21 05:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Pav** joined.* [16-Nov-21 05:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ocha.esservic**: nice [16-Nov-21 05:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: lol basically [16-Nov-21 06:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it's got some interesting numbers you can track, but it's highly opinionated from what i understand. i'm no finance/accounting guy but we get plenty of those types and many are mystified at the decisions made by those finance reports. for example, anything you make yourself is valued at 0 which can skew numbers quickly, especially for people with a high volume of self-supply. i guess there are accounting reasons to do that, but it messes with the finance reports pretty bad. [16-Nov-21 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: it doesn't match GAAP accounting [16-Nov-21 06:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: so I'm not sure what accouting method they use [16-Nov-21 07:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: IMO this whole discrepancy could be fixed by sampling the local CX price average value for every item produced on a base, at the time that production finishes. [16-Nov-21 07:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: but I am not an accountant either, perhaps that would only complicate things :) [16-Nov-21 07:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: As it stands I mainly pay attention to revenue and liquid assets on the balance sheet. [16-Nov-21 07:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: Expenses seem to match my expectations as well, although I prefer to ignore them.. [16-Nov-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***EtherealEcho** joined.* [16-Nov-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **EtherealEcho**: Anyone got tips on where I should go from here? I am a manufacturer trying to get a self sufficient MCG farm, since I can farm silicon ore. [16-Nov-21 08:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Canadiansugarangel** left.* [16-Nov-21 08:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Canadiansugarangel** joined.* [16-Nov-21 08:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: hmm i'd use FIO to search for a LST planet [16-Nov-21 08:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch [16-Nov-21 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: pretty sure frostwood knows an awesome lst planet looking for new colonists [16-Nov-21 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: or at least regular trade :) [16-Nov-21 08:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: he's in the ICA sector lol [16-Nov-21 08:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: long distance hauling for lst... sounds fun! heh [16-Nov-21 08:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Frostwood**: I mean if you wanted a self-sufficent MCG colony Ementior is the place to be :) [16-Nov-21 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Wulfhram** joined.* [16-Nov-21 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mithrans** joined.* [16-Nov-21 10:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mithrans** left.* [17-Nov-21 01:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mad.Gestic** joined.* [17-Nov-21 03:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: What does it mean if a contract has status "Closed"? [17-Nov-21 03:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: it's a shipping contract [17-Nov-21 03:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: is it always that until the shipment has been provided? [17-Nov-21 03:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I think thats when nothing has happened yet, like providing the goods [17-Nov-21 03:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **deathmetalphilosophy**: May seem like a stupid question, but if pioneers needs 0.5 overalls a day, does it take two days before an overall is used? or do they take one, then ignore the next day? [17-Nov-21 03:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: 1 is taken on day 1, 0 taken on day 2, 1 taken on day 3, etc. [17-Nov-21 03:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **deathmetalphilosophy**: Cheers! [17-Nov-21 03:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: So would 0.9 consumption mean 1 is consumed on the 1st to 9th day and 0 is consumed on the 10th? [17-Nov-21 05:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sornago** joined.* [17-Nov-21 06:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: yes [17-Nov-21 07:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***mr11ama** joined.* [17-Nov-21 07:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***mr11ama** left.* [17-Nov-21 07:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***mr11ama** joined.* [17-Nov-21 07:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***mr11ama** left.* [17-Nov-21 07:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***mr11ama** joined.* [17-Nov-21 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **mr11ama**: how do i few a list of my ships that's available by default i cant figure out the command for it [17-Nov-21 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: FLT [17-Nov-21 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **mr11ama**: thanks [17-Nov-21 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: is on the sidebar on the right if you forget [17-Nov-21 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: left even [17-Nov-21 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: lol [17-Nov-21 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **mr11ama**: <3 [17-Nov-21 07:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***mr11ama** left.* [17-Nov-21 08:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***savagesiege** joined.* [17-Nov-21 08:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Shenpster** joined.* [17-Nov-21 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: What does the number in brackets mean in "current workforce" on my base screen? [17-Nov-21 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: I added a couple new buildings and they're not showing [17-Nov-21 09:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#my-workforce-says-something-like-180-40-what-does-the-number-in-brackets-mean {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [17-Nov-21 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Ah thank you. So how come my Extractors don't show up when I've built them? Do they have to be fully fulfilled with workers or something? [17-Nov-21 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: They should show up...What do you mean by "don't show up" exactly? [17-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: My production line still only shows a single extractor. I've just built 2 more extractors [17-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: They're in my building list. Just not on my production line [17-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: refresh? [17-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Tried that [17-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Maybe I'll log out and see [17-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: hmm... weird [17-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Nah logout didn't help either [17-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @BarkerZA: Just to make sure...You don't see a separate column for 2 of the same building [17-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It will show up vertically as a separate row (with the queue under the second building) [17-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Yea, there is only 2 columns. 1xExtractor & 1xSmelter [17-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: But I have 3 x Extractor in my building list [17-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Correct. You should see 3 rows for extractor followed by a queue of 5. [17-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Ohhh [17-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: My bad this is different from before the reset [17-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Glad to help :-) [17-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It was the same last universe as well. [17-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Thank you @Sagnaki [17-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Maybe I'm not remembering correctly [17-Nov-21 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is it possible to move the production line columns in the order i want them to show? [17-Nov-21 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or it's all fixed and based on what order you build them?\ [17-Nov-21 09:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: alphabetical by name [17-Nov-21 09:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh i see [17-Nov-21 09:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and no afaik no way to reorder [17-Nov-21 09:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and is my entire base area shared between all bases? [17-Nov-21 09:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or each base gets its own area? [17-Nov-21 09:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: nope, 500 per base [17-Nov-21 09:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: expandable now by using additional base permits for an additional 250 area up to 1000 total per base [17-Nov-21 09:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: k [17-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I wouldn't go that route if you don't have to. [17-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Losing 250 land per [17-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Fishbowl** joined.* [17-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Fishbowl** left.* [17-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah, like it's more economical to settle a new base right? [17-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: btw, does the amount of water or oxygen on a planet matter to resource extraction efficiency or quantity? [17-Nov-21 09:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: tradeoff exists for a reason though -- you don't have to put down a new command module which saves some cash and there are benefits to vertical integration in a single base for logistics and expert allocation [17-Nov-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: for the record, i'm in the 'only use base permits for more bases' camp, but there are legitimate reasons one might want to expand existing instead [17-Nov-21 09:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TwinGs: If you're extracting water or oxygen, yes it does matter. [17-Nov-21 10:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: yes Twin, the higher amount, the more you extract in the same time [17-Nov-21 10:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so between hortus and gibson, is there like a huge difference in amount extracted each time? [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: as a new player if you can afford the 50k+ to fill a cargo bag, your proberably better off building new buildings [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what's a cargo bay [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is that a ship? [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: which planet in Hortus? [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: no idea [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i'm just reading some of the resources [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and how planets in hortus are fertile [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but it's like 12 ticks away from montem [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so i'm wondering if it's more cost effective to settle near montem with weaker h2o and o production [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: rather than have to ship back and forth between systems [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to make myself self-sustainable i mean [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: which i imagine how all the big players are at this point [17-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: Twin, it is not cost effective to ship base products back and forth between systems [17-Nov-21 10:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: unless your filling your cargo bay - and even then... [17-Nov-21 10:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so people just become pure specialists and try to grow from trading? [17-Nov-21 10:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: No, I have a base on Prom in Hortus producting Rats/C/DW (the water makes more than the rest) [17-Nov-21 10:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: if your shipping something high value and small it can be worth it (fabs for example), you can also find shipping contacts that will pay you 500-1k a day for use of your ships [17-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: PE/PG (plastics) are much smaller than the C and H etc to make them [17-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: well i am free trial so i don't have access to advertising contracts [17-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: Ore is not worth it at all [17-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like i'm on montem now [17-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and am wondering if i should eventually set up a base in hortus [17-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to provide my own water rations etc [17-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or if i should settle a much closer planet to do that but with lower efficiency [17-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: if your not planning on going pro, then you need to be producing most of your inputs [17-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: and unless your trading a full cargobay, it will be cheaper to buy your own rations at MOR than ship the, [17-Nov-21 10:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: for example, DW is currently running at 30/u in HRT [17-Nov-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: at the slowest speed of 36hours, it will cost you ~2300 one way in fuel (plus very small ship decay) [17-Nov-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so you're saying each base should aim to be self-sustaining [17-Nov-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or at least close to each other [17-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: assuming you buy DW in HRT and ship back to mor, you need to save atleast 14k of water to save yourself 360(cash) a day00, so you need to buy [17-Nov-21 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: you can profit if you put more in for that - quick warning a single load of 5000 units would raise the price in HRT and lower the price in MOR pretty quickly [17-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: C sells to MM in HRT at 225, not worth shipping it to MOR for 260 (i did ship it when i could sell at 360) [17-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: shipping can be expensive, it can be better to grow your own, it can be better to focus and make more profit and just buy your own [17-Nov-21 10:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i see [17-Nov-21 10:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: if your not PRO, you will suffer from not having access to the LM, you need to make more trips, spend more fuel, which means you need to keep more cash liquid [17-Nov-21 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: if your not planning on going pro for atleast 1 month (pro expires into basic, you can accept but not post LM ads), then building up some of your inputs may be worth it [17-Nov-21 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Arastile** joined.* [17-Nov-21 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: Mont runs a 10% bonus to Pioneers normally, that means you get a flat 10% to everything, it is the type of base that would suit self-sustaining [17-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: if you think your going to like the game, put in the 9 euros for a single month, and you can focus on your specialisation (over time you receive more experts and they are capped, it is more profitable to specialise [17-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: what starter pack did you pick? [17-Nov-21 10:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: constructor [17-Nov-21 10:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and i'm currently planning to extract and smelt my own metal ingredients [17-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and was thinking of then producing my own rats water oxygen and carbon [17-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: then you can already make your own OVE.PWO great profit makers, PE is an all round good fall back [17-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i changed my build from the recommended [17-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: own FE yes - shipping FE is expensive, but you need to use it all [17-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i just built PP1 so far [17-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: gonna make EXT and SME then BMP [17-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so i can make my own bases and not have to rely on the market which i find to be slow [17-Nov-21 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: FE and even worse FEO is very heavy. keep in mind that you start with 2 ships, no more can be added yet (a basic STL system only one might be purchasable at 600k) [17-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: you will quickly run out of shipping time, you NEED to use the market [17-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: well i'm making my own EXT and SME so i can turn those things directly into prefabs [17-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: which are lighter [17-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and i'll then use to just set up instant bases elsewhere [17-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: yes i mentioned Fabs as a good item to ship, light with good margins [17-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: being self sufficient also means i don't have to use as much fuel for shipping back and forth [17-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: but it also means you lose overall base efficiency [17-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: especially when experts start arriving [17-Nov-21 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: well i'm still new and haven't figured out how much of an impact that makes [17-Nov-21 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: somewhat, but a PP1 is a low margin building wayway, if Twin isavoiding Pro, possibly better off doing as planned [17-Nov-21 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: 5 experts is almost 30% [17-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: 28 and change [17-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: the first time i started last week, i went with the recommended build of BMP and PP1 [17-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: then found it a huge pain to ship metal ingredients [17-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so i decided to restart and change my start [17-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: you can probably make more producing C and PE than fabs, and if they do it early enough they may get experts for that [17-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: well if i lose efficiency that's just time if i'm self-sufficient [17-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like if i make my own ingredients and set up my own cycle [17-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like i will have EXT SME PP1 and BMP within the week [17-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: if you want to go that route consider restarting as a Victualler [17-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: after that i'm just reliant on consumables oxygen and carbon [17-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i feel that with constructor getting a quick boost in construction materials makes it easier [17-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i'm planning on setting up an agricultural base afterwards [17-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: that's what i mean by being self sufficient [17-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like technically i can build a rig on montem for the water and then get a farmstead [17-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but i know it's not as ideal as if i settled a nearby planet that was more fertile [17-Nov-21 10:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i was just weighing the idea of setting up a base in hortus and shipping back and forth but that question has already been answered [17-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is being self-sufficient so ridiculous? [17-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: maybe t's because i'm new but i don't see how else growth is achieved [17-Nov-21 10:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: it takes a long time to be truly self-sufficient. though it's not a ridiculous goal [17-Nov-21 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like i'm not pursuing the goal of making the largest profit margin in the entire universe [17-Nov-21 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: that's probably only for the long time or PRO players [17-Nov-21 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like i don't know what's at the end of the tech tree [17-Nov-21 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: you can achieve growth other ways.as you can invest in more lucrative industries and import more, horizontal vs vertical scaling [17-Nov-21 10:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ships? [17-Nov-21 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah but trying to cash in on lucrative industries is just profit margin to me [17-Nov-21 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like what's the point of cash if you don't have anywhere to spend it [17-Nov-21 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it's not like there's a military [17-Nov-21 10:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it's only building buildings [17-Nov-21 10:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like if the cash was useful for something else sure i'd want to get the largest profit margins [17-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i'm open to discussion and seeing a bigger or better picture [17-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: again i'm just a new player [17-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: just not with the goal of having the largest profit margins because i know that's impossible with a free trial account [17-Nov-21 10:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: where i can only build like 5 or 6 bases and only expand each HQ so many times [17-Nov-21 10:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like i can't colonize the entire universe [17-Nov-21 10:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: were you going to say something namthorn? please don't hold back [17-Nov-21 10:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: nah, it's more like im prob not the best person to comment on the endgame as my company is fairly new xD [17-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: and really, do whatever you enjoy tbh. if you want to make a fully self-reliant base, go for it [17-Nov-21 11:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: ^ [17-Nov-21 11:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i often preach against self sufficiency since it tends to be a distraction that slows people down from actually expanding. you'll end up self supplying the things that are the biggest pain points in your supply chain over time anyway, if that ends up being RAT/DW then so be it, but once you have several production lines chances your input needs are varied enough you may find it more effective to self supply, say, carbon rather than building an ag base for rations. plus higher tier workers are going to need all kinds of upkeep items and its highly unlikely you're going to want to add all those production chains to stay 'self sufficient' [17-Nov-21 11:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so getting used to the idea of having to buy a bunch of stuff on a regular schedule is a good idea -- it's how the game works, especially as you expand [17-Nov-21 11:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and i feel like self-sufficiency is a fairly unachievable goal, better reframed as 'self supply the things that are most effective', since you'll never supply all of them, and you should prioritize the ones that hurt your bottom line the most [17-Nov-21 11:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: to that end, i definitely have a base devoted to making RAT/DW, but even so i still buy some DW to cover what that base can't handle, and there's tons of other upkeep items/luxuries i just buy outright instead of trying to manage their production chains [17-Nov-21 11:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but i didn't build that base first -- i built the one to supply myself with hydrogen, since i need a lot of hydrogen and buying it from market was a much greater loss than buying rations from the market. [17-Nov-21 11:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: or rather the savings on self-supplying hydrogen _greatly_ outweighed the savings on self-supplying consumables [17-Nov-21 11:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: ye, my thinking is rats/dw will always be in decent supply. other stuff the demand far outweighs supply at times [17-Nov-21 11:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i see [17-Nov-21 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: makes sense [17-Nov-21 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i think it's mostly a framing thing. what most people really want when they say they want self sufficiency is to lower their costs by vertically integrating consumables. and that's a fine idea, but it's not really what self sufficiency means, and its worthwhile to prioritize the vertical integration that is most beneficial [17-Nov-21 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what's this horizontal and vertical integration stuff people are talking about [17-Nov-21 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: horizontal means scaling one part of production across many buildings [17-Nov-21 11:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: vertical means integrating all parts of a production chain [17-Nov-21 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so for a farmer, horizontal might mean filling a base with farms and selling grain [17-Nov-21 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but vertical might mean farms and fp and making all the ingredients for rations and selling rations [17-Nov-21 11:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: that's a very simplistic example but hopefully illustrates [17-Nov-21 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you can consider workers a part of the inputs to any production chain, so making rat/dw in house is vertically integrating their consumables into your production chain [17-Nov-21 11:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok [17-Nov-21 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: another horizontal example might be the inverse -- you fill a base with only food processors, and you buy all the ag inputs and only produce rations. you will get the benefit of scale and eventually expert allocation, but it'll probably cost a bit more since you're not making the ag products yourself [17-Nov-21 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so as a constructor, the fact that i am building an EXT and SME is vertical integration? [17-Nov-21 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: correct [17-Nov-21 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and is highly advisable for constructurs if your planet has the resources, since shipping metal sucks [17-Nov-21 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: horizontal is if i want to build a RIG FRM and INC for my own oxygen carbon and water? [17-Nov-21 11:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: horizontal would be if you just made more pp1/bmp [17-Nov-21 11:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: horizontal is doing _one_ thing at scale, vertical is doing _all_ the things for one output [17-Nov-21 11:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh ok [17-Nov-21 11:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so what are the most advanced companies doing at this point? [17-Nov-21 11:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: building high tech ships? [17-Nov-21 11:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or settling as many planets as possible? [17-Nov-21 11:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: making scientists atm i think [17-Nov-21 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: are they that hard to produce? [17-Nov-21 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: don't you just need to build the highest level habitat? [17-Nov-21 11:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea, you need to invest in planets infrastructure to get higher tier workers on the planet [17-Nov-21 11:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: pioneers just materialize but the rest have to promote over time i think [17-Nov-21 11:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh i see [17-Nov-21 11:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but only PROs can invest in planet infrastructure and projects right? [17-Nov-21 11:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so as a free trial player i can't do anything about that anyways? [17-Nov-21 11:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea i think that's the case. sothere'll be some research to do once you get to needing them [17-Nov-21 11:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: essentially you want to pick planets that have already done the infrastructure work to settle. and i could be wrong but i think trial players can contribute to planetary/popi projects and upkeep [17-Nov-21 11:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and the infrastructure i'm looking for is what? [17-Nov-21 11:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: not a local market since i don't have access to that [17-Nov-21 11:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you look at your planets POPR (little link at the top right on the planet info pane) [17-Nov-21 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: am i looking for a COGC so i can trade? [17-Nov-21 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you can see the stats on there for things like safety etc, those stats are what determine whether higher tier folks migrate / educate on your planet [17-Nov-21 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: those stats are affected by popi buildings [17-Nov-21 11:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you click on 'population infrastructure' on the planet info screen you'll see the buildings [17-Nov-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and if you check details you should be able to contribute to building the buildings or their upkeep costs [17-Nov-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what does voting on a COGC program do? [17-Nov-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like there's an education event pioneers right now [17-Nov-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: should i be doing anything? [17-Nov-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: CoGC imparts a planetary bonus to an industry or worker tier [17-Nov-21 11:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and i think only PRO can vote for which program it runs [17-Nov-21 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but the effect applies to everyone on the planet? [17-Nov-21 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: in your case it's giving a 10% efficiency bonus to all pioneers [17-Nov-21 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and also, what do people get for contributing the most to population infrastructure? [17-Nov-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and what is the administration center for? there's a run option but i have no idea what it does [17-Nov-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: planetary governor [17-Nov-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: they set tax rates n stuff [17-Nov-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh i see [17-Nov-21 11:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so nobody gets anything for personal contribution, the planet gets the effects of whatever the project is [17-Nov-21 11:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and the governor collects all the taxes, so for lm fees, production fees, warehouse rentals etc on the planet. it goes to their corp and is distributed among the members, which is why most governors run 1 person corps for better accounting [17-Nov-21 11:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: planetary citizens expect the governor to use these funds to pay for the bulk of popi buildings/upkeep, but residents also contribute, especially if they have a vested interest [17-Nov-21 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Vuzashi** joined.* [17-Nov-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Bootlessrain** joined.* [17-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bootlessrain**: Does anyone know why all the PIO would have left a planet after the population report? [17-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: are they happy enough? >50%? [17-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: all? maybe some1 remove their base on it? [17-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bootlessrain**: Well everything is 0 now as there is nothing here [17-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: then the last guy probably left I guess [17-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: there have been at least two planets reported where that happened, on the forums, and the devs confirmed it was a bug and fixed it manually [17-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bootlessrain**: no one here [17-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: oh, are you on the planet? [17-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bootlessrain**: There are two of us [17-Nov-21 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, sounds like the bug [17-Nov-21 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bootlessrain**: I do not know if the other guy is active though [17-Nov-21 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: if happiness didnt decline over the past month its the bug thingy for sure, yeah [17-Nov-21 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bootlessrain**: I guess ill go check out the forums [17-Nov-21 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Each base provides enough safety to keep the starter 200 pioneers happy if they have jobs. Happiness only declines as bases grow [17-Nov-21 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bootlessrain**: So the population shouldnt have went to 0 if there is still a base here [17-Nov-21 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: while you wait for them to fix it, file a lawsuit for virtual loss of revenue [17-Nov-21 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Bootlessrain**: haha [17-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is it a bad idea for free trial players to be the first to settle a base on a planet? [17-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like there's some infrastructure that only PRO players can build right? [17-Nov-21 01:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Zizzleswomp** deleted this message.* [17-Nov-21 01:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: oh, I stand corrected [17-Nov-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: "trial users cannot contribute to planetary projects" - I guess that makes sense, to avoid spamming new accounts and dumping everything into the projects. https://pct.fnar.net/population-infrastructure/ {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/population-infrastructure/ Population Infrastructure - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [17-Nov-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/pro-license/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/pro-license/ PRO License :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [17-Nov-21 01:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: wrong link, meant the second one [17-Nov-21 01:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: That may be old/inaccurate now, fwiw. It requires some further testing. I believe you might be able to contribute to POPI if you have a CM present and have been a resident for more than X days. [17-Nov-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Vraith**: can I see somewhere, when the daily needs are consumed? [17-Nov-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://pct.fnar.net/workforce/#consumption - it's complicated {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/workforce/ Workforce - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [17-Nov-21 02:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Nope. FIO can track it if it catches the event... [17-Nov-21 02:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Vraith**: okay yikes [17-Nov-21 02:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Long-term: Consumption time is POPR time. So figure out when the last POPR report happened down to the hour, and it's likely that. [17-Nov-21 02:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Vraith**: yeah came to the same conclusion thanks :D [17-Nov-21 02:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: I just put down a technician production building on Verdant but I don't have technician housing yet. Will the POPR still show open jobs and induce settlers to educate up or does the base need to have housing first? [17-Nov-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: need housing probably [17-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: if a planet's soil is infertile [17-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: you can't grow anything on it even if you have water nitrogen oxygen etc right? [17-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: FRM and ORC requires fertile soil, yes. HYF does not. [17-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: However, if a planet has H2O and O, it almost always is fertile [17-Nov-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: well there's a planet that has H2O and O but shows -- for soil fertility [17-Nov-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: probably because the planet's temperature is freezing cold [17-Nov-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: ah, I haven't noticed a planet like that before. Is the H2O considered a mineral, then? Like, solid ice? [17-Nov-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: -- means it's not fertile. [17-Nov-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah that's what i figured [17-Nov-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: thinking about expanding already? damn chill a little @TwinGs your company is 2 days old [17-Nov-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: OP-630d - Mineral H2O [17-Nov-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: btw, if soil fertility is +12% is that only referring to resource extraction is 12% greater? [17-Nov-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: IDK i'm waiting for my production to get online [17-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ah...ic [17-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and trying to see how to build towards my goals [17-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so i don't waste time, when this game already happens slowly enough [17-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: dreaming big and planning stupidly long-term was how I filled my time when I started, too :) [17-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so if it's mineral H2O can the H2O be collected via extractor? [17-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TwinGs: If it's +12%, that means your FRMs will produce 12% faster. [17-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Correct, mineral H2O only via EXT. [17-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: interesting [17-Nov-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: only farms saganaki? [17-Nov-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Vraith**: is mineral H2O fancy for ice? :D [17-Nov-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: not the collection of water? [17-Nov-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: fertility on planet affects frms [17-Nov-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Also ORC [17-Nov-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: soil fertility only affect building that needs fertility [17-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: the other productions are affected by the quality of the tap [17-Nov-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: are there a lot of people exporting food from promitor to moria? [17-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TwinGs: Yep. [17-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but isn't that kinda expensive given the fuel costs? [17-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the classic reasoning was that food sold for more in MOR, and prefabs sold for less, so folks from prom would make the trip knowing that increased sales on product and reduced cost on the items they wanted most would more than pay for the shipping expense [17-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: that hasnt; always held true though [17-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if too many people do it, then all of a sudden food is just as cheap in MOR as HRT, and if enough do it the other direction now prefabs are just as cheap on HRT as on MOR, and the profitability of making the voyage starts to disappear [17-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah [17-Nov-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it gets artificially sustained though -- at many times prefabs have been _so_ much cheaper in MOR that it was worth it to take goods for sale even if you had to sell them _cheaper_ there because the savings on prefabs still made it cost effective. using random numbers: you go to mor, round trip is going to cost you say 4k. you bring stuff to sell, and you're going to end up losing another 1k because you have to sell it even cheaper than at home. but you're buying 30 prefabs averaging 200 less per unit than at home, for a total savings of 6k, coming out 1k ahead on the trip even though you sold your stuff for cheaper [17-Nov-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: extrapolate that out both directions and you can see how for short periods you can end up with RAT cheaper in MOR than on HRT, or BSE cheaper on HRT than on MOR [17-Nov-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so i guess players rent warehouses in difference exchanges [17-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so they can buy and sell [17-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and when there's enough stuff, then send a ship to pick up? [17-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yes, that's definitely one tactic. [17-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i tend to fly a ship to destination and leave it parked while i make all my trades. i still keep a warehouse though in case i a) don't sell everything while i'm there and want to store it for sales over time, b) want to buy stuff while i'm not there, and c) want to take listings down and relist them while i'm not there [17-Nov-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: all of those reasons apply for having a warehouse at your local cx as much as on remote cx [17-Nov-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is the only way to get different currency to sell something in that exchange? [17-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: or, if Pro license, to use FX [17-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like i can't convert my NCC to ICA with a simple click right? [17-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: there's a currency exchange for pro players [17-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh ok [17-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but it's a marketplace, and most people avoid it like the plague [17-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the best way is still the old fashioned way -- load a boat, go sell stuff, collect foreign currency [17-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the FX is not a 'button click', since it requires another player willing to sell you the other currency for your currency. as a result, availability is often poor, rates are often bad even when trades are available, there are fees, and the interface is strange and confusing [17-Nov-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so even pro players usually avoid it [17-Nov-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: oh i see [17-Nov-21 03:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i thought it showed the universal conversion rate [17-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the rates it shows are inaccurate as well, since they're based on whatever the last x transactions were, which can vary wildly [17-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how much H2O is collected each time in the rig on promitor? [17-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if someone really needed a particular currency they'll take a bad rate for it which skews that conversion number [17-Nov-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: all currencies are essentially of equal value, mostly due to the fact that the market maker NPC sellers on the CXs all buy/sell for the same amounts [17-Nov-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the game does not tell you the exact amount unless you plop down a rig and look, but it's based on the resource availability shown in planet info. 3rd party tools can show you though -- i recommend https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch -- search for h2o, find prom, it'll show you daily rate. make sure to set the efficiency to your actual worker efficiency [17-Nov-21 03:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: That will only show daily extraction. The "per order" number/time is going to differ a tad since it's rounds up or down to the nearest full digit. [17-Nov-21 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: ^ that's the guy that wrote the planetsearch (and most of the rest of FIO) [17-Nov-21 03:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: thanks [17-Nov-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: woah huge difference [17-Nov-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yeah rigs on montem are... not advised [17-Nov-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: basically if your planet doesn't have a nice chunk of the h2o resource bar filled in, it's probably not worth running a rig [17-Nov-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: water is easy to transport, so people on very water-rich worlds sell water cheap enough that it's rarely worth it to pump yourself unless you also are on a water-rich world [17-Nov-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it's weird that danakil can produce double the water than on montem [17-Nov-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: despite having twice the amount less fertility [17-Nov-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: water availability and fertility are not explicitly linked [17-Nov-21 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: often you'll have fertile worlds with lots of water but it's not a requirement. i have a base on Proxion which is quite fertile, and has an agriculture CoGC, which makes it a great place to run farms [17-Nov-21 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but i still import my water because the water on Proxion is very weak [17-Nov-21 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how does the COGC impact production? [17-Nov-21 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it's an efficiency bonus. when applied to a worker tier, it's a 10% bonus to all workers of that tier (pioneers, settlers, etc) [17-Nov-21 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: when applied to an industry it's a 25% efficiency bonus to all production in that industry [17-Nov-21 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so if you run production using all luxuries to get 100% efficiency from workers, and also have a CoGC for that industry and a faction bonus for that industry, and also experts in that industry, you can end up with a massive efficiency bonus of well over 150%, making all production in that industry take 2/3 the time listed in the recipes [17-Nov-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: download PRUNer app, it gives a great but simple GUI [17-Nov-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: or in other words produce 150% of the stuff in the same time [17-Nov-21 03:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Artokun** joined.* [17-Nov-21 03:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Artokun**: how do you get Hydrogen (H) [17-Nov-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if it's available on your planet you build the appropriate building to gather it -- usually a COL because it's generally found in a gaseous state. but if your planet doesn't have H naturally, you have to buy it from the CX [17-Nov-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Artokun**: ty [17-Nov-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: np [17-Nov-21 03:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: How would someone make a loan in the game? Would it have to be through contract? [17-Nov-21 03:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: can do it unofficial via discord - or i guess you could do a .1/.1 shipping contract with a 20day deadline [17-Nov-21 03:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so the person in charge of the planet can change the COGC anytime they want or are those set? [17-Nov-21 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: CoGC gets voted on [17-Nov-21 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i see [17-Nov-21 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so i guess COGC doesn't change often right since people settle based on the bonuses [17-Nov-21 03:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and the more that gather based on those specific bonuses, the greater the likelihood that the COGC doesn't change? [17-Nov-21 03:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Most of the time, that's correctly. [17-Nov-21 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: correct* [17-Nov-21 04:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Jabbas** joined.* [17-Nov-21 05:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **mottin**: What happens to merchandise resulting from a ongoing shipping contract in which the shipping company has gone into liquidation? [17-Nov-21 05:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: I believe it becomes yours [17-Nov-21 05:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **QuantumState**: correct me if im worng [17-Nov-21 05:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Goresh**: That is what happens if you are the shipping company, but the question was what happens if the shipping company goes bust. [17-Nov-21 06:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: My understanding is the merchandise is also destroyed in the COLIQ. [17-Nov-21 06:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yeah, if it's in your inventory when you COLIQ, it's gone, even if it's packaged. It's actually a higher risk than actual piracy when newbies are involved. [17-Nov-21 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Canadiansugarangel**: I am trying to do my first shipping contract from the local market- I have accepted the contract to p/u from my planet and drop off at anther station- how do I know I have the items ready for delivery? [17-Nov-21 07:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: you will get a notification that your partner has fulfilled a contract condition when they provision (make the goods available) [17-Nov-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: then you can open the contract and see a yellow fulfill button to collect the goods. Their shipment will go into your inventory as a single material called something like SHPT #045 [17-Nov-21 07:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Move that SHPT good to your ship and fly where needed [17-Nov-21 07:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: when you arrive at the destination, open the contract again and the deliver task will have a yellow fulfill button [17-Nov-21 08:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I think if a pending shipment is en-route when they COLIQ - the shipper keeps it? [17-Nov-21 08:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Envergadura** joined.* [17-Nov-21 08:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Canadiansugarangel**: thank you for the help [17-Nov-21 09:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do settlers automatically pop up the moment you build a habitat and job for them? [17-Nov-21 09:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: There is a worker reserve pool that you draw on when you build new stuff. You get some percentage of that pool per week or something [17-Nov-21 09:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Governor can set a percentage of total workforce pop that is reserved for new buildings [17-Nov-21 09:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: 5%,10%, etc [17-Nov-21 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: That population will immediately begin work on any buildings built within the week. When the new weekly allocation is ran, all existing buildings are then allocated evenly, and the reserve buffer refilled [17-Nov-21 09:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: So Theoretically - the best time to "build" on a planet is immediately after the weekly calculations :) [17-Nov-21 09:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Every1 fights for 90-95%, and the rest are guaranteed first come/serve to new bldgs :) [17-Nov-21 09:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: sorry, what are these weekly calculations? [17-Nov-21 09:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: open a buffer and type in POPR KW-688c [17-Nov-21 09:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so this comes out each week and that's when people are allocated? [17-Nov-21 09:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: yeah [17-Nov-21 09:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Based on whatever we did to help/hurt the planet for the week affects the next allocation [17-Nov-21 09:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: So on that report you see that Pioneers had a -314 growth due to Education [17-Nov-21 09:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and how do we help/hurt the planet? [17-Nov-21 09:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rwinner16** deleted this message.* [17-Nov-21 09:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: on that buffer, you should see a small grey square that has "PLI" [17-Nov-21 09:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: on the top [17-Nov-21 09:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CraneArmy**: #nukethewhales [17-Nov-21 09:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: click that, it leads to main planet page. Click on the Population Infrastructure [17-Nov-21 09:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: These are all the planetary buildings that will eventually need to be built to keep the planet happy. This planet (Etherwind) is relatively backwater status [17-Nov-21 09:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: so their needs are low [17-Nov-21 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Every week, we(players) are responsible for ensuring existing buildings are refilled of their upkeep needs, and building/upgrading new ones to keep up with planetary growth [17-Nov-21 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how do people even contribute buildings? [17-Nov-21 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is it just for PRO users? [17-Nov-21 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: click on the "details" next to one of them [17-Nov-21 09:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: we donate the building components. [17-Nov-21 09:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: if you want to see an advanced planet - MUCH higher weekly requirements [17-Nov-21 09:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: PLI UV-796b [17-Nov-21 09:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: that planet, looking at the population report - :We(players) are currently not meeting our requirements on Culture or Education (32.8% & 28.3%) [17-Nov-21 09:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it seems crazy that these things have to be contributed weekly [17-Nov-21 09:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: at your stage of progress - yeah. But it's a collective goal. Like Proxion has over 300 bases on it. [17-Nov-21 09:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Granted, all at different stages of growth, but some of the larger ones are millionaires. [17-Nov-21 09:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I'm pretty new at even looking up/paying attention to anything planet related. The main Player Discord channel is your best bet for anything and everything for this game [17-Nov-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: thanks [17-Nov-21 09:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: https://discord.gg/UdaAqPYB [17-Nov-21 09:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I'd just look around. It's kind of breathtaking on how interactive/immersive this game can actually be [17-Nov-21 09:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how do we do a planet search without using the ship fly option? [17-Nov-21 09:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i can't use that option because both of my ships are in transit [17-Nov-21 09:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what do you mean by planet search? [17-Nov-21 09:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like i want to look up a planet on the universe map and see how far it is from my HQ [17-Nov-21 09:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: use BLU [17-Nov-21 09:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and what the planet conditions are like [17-Nov-21 09:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: create default ship [17-Nov-21 09:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok thanks [17-Nov-21 09:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: seeing planet conditions? y not use https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch and search for the materials you want in a planet? [17-Nov-21 09:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: what planet your hq on? [17-Nov-21 09:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: montem [17-Nov-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it's not showing the route on the universe map though [17-Nov-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i'm in the blueprint test flight [17-Nov-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: whats your starting point? [17-Nov-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: it won't if you can't make it with the base fuel on the ship [17-Nov-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I use this a BUNCH [17-Nov-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i'm trying to see montem to YI-059b [17-Nov-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: http://prosperous.freecluster.eu/ [17-Nov-21 09:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: hes doing testing not actual flight [17-Nov-21 09:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: the're* [17-Nov-21 09:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: It still won't show the trip if the BLU test ship won't have the fuel to make it [17-Nov-21 09:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: IIRC [17-Nov-21 09:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: according to FIO [17-Nov-21 09:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it's 2 jumps away [17-Nov-21 09:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: *sets stl and ftl fuel to max* [17-Nov-21 09:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i did [17-Nov-21 09:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it still doesn't show a yellow line [17-Nov-21 09:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/planetsearch [17-Nov-21 09:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like it normally would when i press fly with my ship [17-Nov-21 09:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: did you click on the selection after typing in the planet for the origin and destination? [17-Nov-21 09:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: as in clicking planet info? [17-Nov-21 09:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: on the BLU buffer, when you type in the YI-059b, you actually have to click the drop down box [17-Nov-21 09:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: same with Montem (select OT-580b) [17-Nov-21 09:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ^ and select that planet [17-Nov-21 09:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I just tried it - works for me [17-Nov-21 09:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: mhm [17-Nov-21 09:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i did click the drop down box [17-Nov-21 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: for both origin and destination [17-Nov-21 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: nothing shows [17-Nov-21 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you type in the planets right? [17-Nov-21 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i typed int their code [17-Nov-21 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: their catalog ID [17-Nov-21 09:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: yes, but you still have to "select" it in the dropdown box that populates underneath where you typed it [17-Nov-21 09:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yes i did [17-Nov-21 09:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: only thing I can think of is the BLU isn't created right? [17-Nov-21 09:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: You left it all as the default it came up as when you hit create? [17-Nov-21 09:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: the only thing i changed was from small STL fuel tank kit to large [17-Nov-21 09:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and same with FTL fuel tank [17-Nov-21 09:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: dont change anything... thats the default ship you have [17-Nov-21 09:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok i changed it back [17-Nov-21 09:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i only changed it because it wasn't showing anything before that [17-Nov-21 09:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you probably didnt save the change then [17-Nov-21 09:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i just deleted it and redid it [17-Nov-21 10:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: does it say "Valid" on the BLU buffer? [17-Nov-21 10:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: where is valid supposed to show up? [17-Nov-21 10:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if you made a change, you need to save it or else it will be "in progress" and you cant test it [17-Nov-21 10:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: on the main BLU page, it'll be under the "Status" column [17-Nov-21 10:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: next to the blueprint name [17-Nov-21 10:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: from there, you'll hit "test". [17-Nov-21 10:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yes it says valid [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ok so now it will work [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it doesn't [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: that's what i'm saying [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i don't see a line [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: line? [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: the yellow tracing line [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: from origin to destination [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: STl and FTL line to max? [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: that i normally would if i were to choose one of my 2 ships and click fly [17-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yes [17-Nov-21 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like it shows me the stops and times and stuff [17-Nov-21 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but no line [17-Nov-21 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: when you type in yi-, you manually select the rest of the planet name? [17-Nov-21 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: under origin? [17-Nov-21 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you mean you want to see the route? [17-Nov-21 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: don't type in the entire thing, select it from the drop down box [17-Nov-21 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: @saganaki would be the only one I know of that can help you if it still isn't working at this point [17-Nov-21 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah i don't type it out fully [17-Nov-21 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: before i click it on the drop down list [17-Nov-21 10:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yes i want to see the route [17-Nov-21 10:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: idts you see the route from BLU... but i might be wrong since i dont use it often [17-Nov-21 10:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you only see the list of the diff travel phases and everything in that table [17-Nov-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah i see that [17-Nov-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but i specifically want to see the route [17-Nov-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: since i'm new and have no idea where anything is lol [17-Nov-21 10:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: I'm pretty sure you can see the route in the travel phases table [17-Nov-21 10:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: By looking at the Destinations [17-Nov-21 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Or you can use one of the Community Tools [17-Nov-21 10:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***IDKanything** deleted this message.* [18-Nov-21 12:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***lateralus** joined.* [18-Nov-21 12:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Shidima** joined.* [18-Nov-21 02:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Does anyone know if theres a way to delete an ad after it's created? I messed up [18-Nov-21 02:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: LMOS, then delete [18-Nov-21 02:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **BarkerZA**: Thank you :) [18-Nov-21 02:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: np [18-Nov-21 02:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Prdgi**: @twinGs If you have a map buffer [ MU NAV ] open when you are configuring the trip, it will show you the route on the map buffer. [18-Nov-21 05:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Joshieoz** joined.* [18-Nov-21 05:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***FolkBear** joined.* [18-Nov-21 08:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lungefrankie**: I have buildings that i only use like once per week [18-Nov-21 08:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Lungefrankie**: is it possible to disable them so they dony use up consumables? [18-Nov-21 08:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: move cons out of base into war [18-Nov-21 08:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: i don't think that they will take your war cons\ [18-Nov-21 08:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: but i think it's an all/nothing thing with the peeps [18-Nov-21 08:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @lugefrankie you cannot disable an individual building short of demolishing it [18-Nov-21 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I do wonder if that could be manipulated though [18-Nov-21 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Keep the bldg, but not the HB1/pop requirement for it [18-Nov-21 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: drop the HB1, do a 20hr run, sell the HB1 for full refund [18-Nov-21 08:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: repeat in a week when you need it again [18-Nov-21 08:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: was it a bad decision to start on montem as a constructor? [18-Nov-21 08:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Definitely not [18-Nov-21 08:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: should i have started closer to another exchange? [18-Nov-21 08:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i feel like i can get a ton of basic prefabs out [18-Nov-21 08:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but it'sgoing to be hard to build light prefabs [18-Nov-21 08:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like PP2 stuff [18-Nov-21 08:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: lfabs are harder to make in general and the H shortage isn't doing them any favours atm [18-Nov-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: H is needed for lfabs? [18-Nov-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it just shows AL and different combinations [18-Nov-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: H is needed for PG which is used in pp2 [18-Nov-21 08:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: but not to say you cant adapt to it, im sure there's some profit to be made in lfabs [18-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so if it's so hard to make [18-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what do most constructors do? [18-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: selling bfabs as their bread and butter? [18-Nov-21 08:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or branch into manufacturing? [18-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: either/or. youve got the mats for bfabs locally so that's certainly convenient for now. [18-Nov-21 08:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: as for what next, market research and planning on what you want to progress into [18-Nov-21 09:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Blake1216** joined.* [18-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: are free trial players only allowed 2 ships? [18-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or are we able to build more? [18-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: dont think trials can use shipyards, but ships are very expensive anyway [18-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You can design ships as trial, but not build them [18-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/pro-license/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/pro-license/ PRO License :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [18-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok [18-Nov-21 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gonzalos**: I ve got a question. I just doing my first shipment contract and I already picked up the shipment and arrived at the destination. Now I see a green button to fulfill but as a status it says 'fulfillment attempted'.. [18-Nov-21 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gonzalos**: It won't finish the contract... What am I doing wrong? Or do I have to wait? [18-Nov-21 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: its possible that the other party's inventory is full [18-Nov-21 09:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: dm them abt it [18-Nov-21 09:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gonzalos**: how can I dm this person? Never done that [18-Nov-21 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: their name should be on the contract and clickable. press it and there should be a contact user button [18-Nov-21 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: click on the user (or company and then the user) and press contact user [18-Nov-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gonzalos**: If this person won't clear up his inventory within the period I have to deliver then I'm screwed? [18-Nov-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: no, they can extend the contract [18-Nov-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: if they choose to breach you will keep their stuff, so that prob wont happen [18-Nov-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: or they can forfeit and you keep it with no penalty to you [18-Nov-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gonzalos**: that is annoying... Now I'm stuck at their base :'( [18-Nov-21 09:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gonzalos**: waiting [18-Nov-21 09:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you could rent a warehouse and deposit the mats there temporarily [18-Nov-21 09:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: so that your ship doesnt have to wait [18-Nov-21 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gonzalos**: ow okay. So I can still fulfill my contract when I rent a warehouse without any presence of a ship of mine? [18-Nov-21 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: yes [18-Nov-21 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Gonzalos**: k thx for the tip [18-Nov-21 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: the shipment just has to be at the same location [18-Nov-21 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: np [18-Nov-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: so you can only do transpo contracts can only be done if your a premium member right? [18-Nov-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: only with pro or after pro - your account gets set to 'basic' [18-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: so buy pro once, and then you can cancel it but you can still do contracts after the month? [18-Nov-21 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: yep, you can accept contracts on the lm, but cant make any yourself [18-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: whats the point of shares then if noone gets the money of shares? [18-Nov-21 10:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Not yet implemented, basically. [18-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: im assuming if you have 51% of the shares you are in charge or is that wrong? [18-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Nothing like that at all, actually. Everyone has equal shares currently. [18-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: im not sure if anyone is in charge in corps [18-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: equal %, rather. [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Right now, corps are a glorified in-game chat room with the HQ bonus on a single planet (but it's expensive) [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: pro isnt even a sub afaik, so you wouldnt have to cancel it in the first place [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Blake1216: Just to be clear, this game has no recurring subscriptions. [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: The devs disagree with that sort of thing on principle. [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: (It is pretty scummy) [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ye, you tend to forget recurring subs [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: just cancel as soon as you sub to anything, good habit to have [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: although that habit led to me being confused here because I was searching how to unsub for like 15 minutes [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: It's a sad state of affairs when the assumption is that games have recurring payments. [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Is there any additional cost, besides starting capital, to start a corporation? [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: i dont think there are any running costs [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but the corp projects are quite espensive [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: no beneftis either until corp buildings LATE game [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @bitrunnr: Just the amount of money you put towards "shares" or whatnot. Just set it to 1, since that money disappears into the ether. [18-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you dont get it back when you leave? [18-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: gotcha [18-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: thats kinda lame [18-Nov-21 10:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: is there a discord? [18-Nov-21 10:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Most corps have their own discords [18-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ixion**: https://discord.gg/AC6xD96J [18-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: is there like a game discord though? [18-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: Thank ya. [18-Nov-21 10:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You can also find other community discord and tools in the handbook: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/ Community Resources :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [18-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***undefinedSymbol** left.* [18-Nov-21 02:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so FiO shows concentration rates of resources [18-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and a daily extraction value [18-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: yes [18-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but why does it so far off what i actually get [18-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like 14.7 is the daily extraction for FeO [18-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: it is shown on x per day on fio [18-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but i get 8 FeO per run [18-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and can run it like almost 4 times per day [18-Nov-21 02:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: then your efficiency is higher than 100% [18-Nov-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so pioneer COGC bonus adds 10% [18-Nov-21 02:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and i don't think i have any other bonuses [18-Nov-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can see all bonuses when you click new order [18-Nov-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: with 112% ive got ~16 feo per day (on montem too) [18-Nov-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: or you may have 2 extractors [18-Nov-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: working effectively twice the speed [18-Nov-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ^ [18-Nov-21 02:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: hmmm i'll do the math again [18-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: what is you overall efficiency on 'create order' / 'new order;? [18-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i don't have an EXT right now [18-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: because i restarted [18-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: tried a new build order [18-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: how do you get feo then? [18-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: this was before i restarted [18-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i remember getting that each time [18-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: 8 FeO [18-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: 11 LST [18-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: yep [18-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: per run [18-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but effieciency changes the time it takes [18-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i'll check again later [18-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: maybe i remembered the time wrong [18-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and it was only 2 runs per day [18-Nov-21 02:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: so at 110% youve got pretty much 2 runs per day, so 4 runs would be on 2 exts [18-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: anyway, i'm surprised there's a whole ton of planets with much higher FeO daily extraction rates [18-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ye, montem doesnt have that much feo [18-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: makes me think montem is a sucky place to start [18-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: should've started on Vallis instead or something [18-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: its a pretty good place to start on when you do construction/manufacturing [18-Nov-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but for fe prod vallis is a much better option [18-Nov-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: it even got o on site [18-Nov-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah [18-Nov-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do people bother building FRM on vallis or montem given that they have H2O? [18-Nov-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: i dont think so [18-Nov-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: planets like promitor are much more viable for that [18-Nov-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like it's not worth it even just to get all buildings on the same planet [18-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to produce your own water and carbon [18-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: vallis even got negative fertility, so frms will take even longer [18-Nov-21 02:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: thats true, ppl make bases specialized for different mats [18-Nov-21 02:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: fe promitor is mainly agri with occasional incs and fps [18-Nov-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ive gotta make a list for which mats are best on which planet [18-Nov-21 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: help? [18-Nov-21 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Did you rent a warehouse on the CX? [18-Nov-21 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: It will always go there first, then a ship, then a contract. *If* your order actually fulfilled. [18-Nov-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Check CXOS, I bet you placed an order but it didn't fulfill yet [18-Nov-21 03:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: you are correct [18-Nov-21 03:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: so the only way to get it filled is to offer to buy at a higher price? [18-Nov-21 03:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Or wait until someone posts a sell that matches. [18-Nov-21 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: gotcha [18-Nov-21 03:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: If you're willing to wait, bid a little above the best bid; if you're not, bid matching the current offer [18-Nov-21 03:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: So now I have the pending contract, how do I send my ships there? [18-Nov-21 03:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: Im assuming I have to wait for them to move it there or something? [18-Nov-21 04:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: nvm. got it [18-Nov-21 04:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yeah, you just need something with space there. I recommend renting a warehouse, the flexibility is great, and 100/wk is nothing compared to the opportunity cost of a ship. [18-Nov-21 04:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: but you still need to send a ship at some point right? [18-Nov-21 07:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: with PRO you can issue shipping contracts, they may take a while, but it is possible to avoid using a ship [18-Nov-21 07:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***DBW2426** joined.* [18-Nov-21 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***EV1LV0RT3X** joined.* [18-Nov-21 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **EV1LV0RT3X**: how to i brsing back the planet tile? [18-Nov-21 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **EV1LV0RT3X**: do* [18-Nov-21 08:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: BS (left side), then click on the name of the planet rather than the View Base button [18-Nov-21 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mollesai** joined.* [18-Nov-21 08:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that brings it up as a buffer, then you need to drag to an empty tile to make it into a permanent tile again [18-Nov-21 09:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: if i want to create a base where no other player is settled, am i screwed as a free trial player? [18-Nov-21 09:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like is there something that needs to be set up by PRO players? [18-Nov-21 09:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: not necessarily, but its going to be hard AF [18-Nov-21 09:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and why is that? [18-Nov-21 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: you won't have nearly the support capabilities by being able to use an LM [18-Nov-21 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i don't have access to a LM anyways as free trial? [18-Nov-21 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: i mean, you'd have to build one first [18-Nov-21 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it's mandatory? [18-Nov-21 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: how do i see what are the requirements costs for that? [18-Nov-21 09:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: no, but on a faraway planet thats uninhabited, an LM is really the only source of trading [18-Nov-21 09:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: and you not being able to do so is a huge hamper [18-Nov-21 09:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what if my plan is to make it self-sustaining? [18-Nov-21 09:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like if i just want to harvest water which i can turn into DW and RATs [18-Nov-21 09:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: getting it there, you'll have to do entirely by shipping in/out [18-Nov-21 09:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah [18-Nov-21 09:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: it can be done, but make sure you know what you're walking into [18-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: also, can FRMs be run on planets where temperatures are too high or too low? [18-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: as long as it has a "fertile" rating on the planet main page [18-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok [18-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: good/bad/indifferent affects the productivity, but if it isn't listed at all, then you can't do FRMs [18-Nov-21 09:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok [18-Nov-21 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***GilesCorey** joined.* [18-Nov-21 09:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: planets are either fertile or not right? [18-Nov-21 09:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: nvm ignore that question [18-Nov-21 09:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: why did so many people settle umbra if it's infertile and doesn't seem to have much on the planet? [18-Nov-21 09:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kaygran**: chemistry bonus of 25% i guess [18-Nov-21 09:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rwinner16** deleted this message.* [18-Nov-21 09:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: H and MGS on same planet [18-Nov-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to make PG? [18-Nov-21 10:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Yes [18-Nov-21 10:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: And PG is used in loads of things [18-Nov-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: does fertility increase FRM production? [18-Nov-21 11:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Assanova**: yes [19-Nov-21 03:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***c47w41k** joined.* [19-Nov-21 04:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Nicster** joined.* [19-Nov-21 08:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Polaris23** joined.* [19-Nov-21 08:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***ColdSnap24** joined.* [19-Nov-21 09:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***seFi1775** joined.* [19-Nov-21 09:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **seFi1775**: Hey, I have a little question :). Why is my collector not working? Orders are queued. [19-Nov-21 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: do you have your worker's basic needs filled? RAT/DW/OVE supplies [19-Nov-21 09:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **seFi1775**: Don't know. I`m fresh out of the tutorial [19-Nov-21 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: open your base overview, check if the bars below satisfaction are filled yellow [19-Nov-21 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: the ones for pioneers that is [19-Nov-21 09:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: one* [19-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **seFi1775**: Ok, doesn`t look that good. The bar is empty [19-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: you mightt have forgotten to unload all starter resources from your ships [19-Nov-21 09:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: ^ [19-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: game sometimes puts some starter cargo in ship 1 and the rest in ship 2 [19-Nov-21 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: you can open the cargo hold of a ship by clicking the cargo column of a ship in the fleet overview (FLT Buffer if it's not open). And then drag the resources from that window to the base inventory (click the inventory button on the base overview to open that) [19-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: also those buffers might be pinned already in the Base screen when you start out, otherwise I recommend doing so since they're used frequently [19-Nov-21 09:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **seFi1775**: aaaaah... ok thank you guys!! Will come with fresh questions soon ;D [19-Nov-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what's the most efficient way to make RATs for a new player? [19-Nov-21 09:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like there are so many combinations [19-Nov-21 09:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: The fastest would probably be running VEG, MUS, MAI on HYFs [19-Nov-21 09:38 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok, how about with FRMs? [19-Nov-21 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: because HYFs don't come till later [19-Nov-21 09:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: GRN BEA MAI [19-Nov-21 09:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: using the 4 H2O -> 4 GRN, 6 H2O -> 4 BEA, and the 4 H2O -> 12 MAI recipes [19-Nov-21 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: hmmm i don't see that combination [19-Nov-21 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i see GRN BEA NUT [19-Nov-21 09:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and GRN BEA VEG [19-Nov-21 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Sorry, I thought I saw that one in there. It would be GRN BEA VEG [19-Nov-21 09:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: If you want to consume the least amount of H2O though, then it would be the BEA, NUT, MAI recipe using the 1 H2O -> 2 BEA recipe on the FRM [19-Nov-21 09:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok thanks [19-Nov-21 09:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so it kinda depends on whatp lanet you're on [19-Nov-21 09:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and the availability of water [19-Nov-21 09:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: and also your FP to FRM ratio. If you have a lot of hungry FPs, you might need to do the faster FRM recipes to try to keep up [19-Nov-21 09:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: ye try and minimize downtime, your workforce still uses consumables even if the building they're in has no order being produced [19-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i see [19-Nov-21 10:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so a build and ratio on Proxion would be quite different from Promitor [19-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what buildings does a manufacturer start with? [19-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is it HB1x2, COL, INC, and BMP? [19-Nov-21 10:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea thats a manufacturer start [19-Nov-21 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: crap [19-Nov-21 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i should've started with that [19-Nov-21 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i didn't realize constructors start with a lot less [19-Nov-21 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: in terms of BSE BBH etc equivalents [19-Nov-21 10:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like i could've started with manufacturer and just built different buildings [19-Nov-21 10:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i lose out on the experts [19-Nov-21 10:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: which in the long run doesn't seem as harmful [19-Nov-21 10:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: compared to having a ton more building resrouces to get a faster start [19-Nov-21 10:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: depends what you wanna do i guess, if you'd have a use for those INC/COL parts then sure [19-Nov-21 10:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: dang, time to restart [19-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: just spent like 2 days trying to build stuff [19-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: what industry do you want to actually do? [19-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like build my building parts [19-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: construction manufacturing [19-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: in the long run [19-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i thought constructor makes it an easier start [19-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to build all those buildings [19-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but if i can get a lot more starting resources [19-Nov-21 10:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: that actually gives the faster start [19-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: i think manufacturers get less starting cash iirc to offset it a little [19-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah [19-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but that 5000 less cash [19-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: does not equate to like 10 extra building mats [19-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: building prefabs in fact [19-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: startingresources and whatnot also play into it I think. iirc you get some small amount of H and some HCP and that's it. [19-Nov-21 10:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: it can work, but you've got the BMP already so you're not missing much [19-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: why is BMP in the constructor tutorial anyway? [19-Nov-21 10:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I skipped it because it didnt really make sense to me, but I always wondered [19-Nov-21 10:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: for MCG I think [19-Nov-21 10:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: but it's versatile so you could always make some consumables on the side instead [19-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: are consumables used based on how many people are living in their quarters? [19-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or how many are working? [19-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ooo u restarted? [19-Nov-21 10:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: how many jobs you have total, regardless of if those jobs are currently actively making an order [19-Nov-21 10:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: on the workforce screen of your base you can see their consumption [19-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah i restarted [19-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so even if i had 2 HB1 [19-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but only 2 buildings that used 120 workforce [19-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: only 120 people "eat"? [19-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea [19-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: the rest get redistributed during the weekly popi report? [19-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: they need a job to be housed by you [19-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: the other 80 flats are just empty [19-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: no job, no rats/dw [19-Nov-21 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: since i just restarted i have 200 in my workforce [19-Nov-21 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do i lose some if i don't give them jobs by a certain time? [19-Nov-21 11:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is it by the weekly POPI report? [19-Nov-21 11:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: for your case, you won't because on the starter planets there are usually ample unemployed ppl. It only starts to get a bit trickier once you want to hire better trained workers like Engineers and Scientists [19-Nov-21 11:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Dominaria**: but Pioneers shouldn't be a problem. You can check the population report of your planet [19-Nov-21 11:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah kk [19-Nov-21 12:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Artokun**: how does shipping work? Do I just accept one of these if I have room and I ship goods somewhere, or are they selling space on a ship? [19-Nov-21 12:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: The game doesn't support selling space yet, so people can only post what they want shipped, and their price. [19-Nov-21 12:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: So, yes, if you have enough room and can deliver the goods in time, you (1) accept the contract, (2) collect the shipment "object", (3) load into your ship, (4) fly to the destination, and (5) fulfill the last stage by delivering [19-Nov-21 12:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you decide you need to COLIQ (restart), please finish delivering the contract first. [19-Nov-21 12:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Artokun**: awesome, just picked up some shipping contracts. thanks for the help [19-Nov-21 12:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Roldo**: Anyway to locate shipyards? [19-Nov-21 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: idk, but theres one in each CX system, just check all planets in your closest system [19-Nov-21 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: closest CX system, that is [19-Nov-21 12:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch and click the shipyard checkbox [19-Nov-21 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Colonelpizza** joined.* [19-Nov-21 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***AaronGearheart264** joined.* [19-Nov-21 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AaronGearheart264**: Can I sell my base two ships? [19-Nov-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Nope, ships can't be sold. But you can make good money carrying other people's cargo, if you are PRO [19-Nov-21 02:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nicster**: Is there already a shipyard in the current universe? [19-Nov-21 02:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: 4 of them [19-Nov-21 02:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: look a little above for my comment on how to find them [19-Nov-21 02:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Why was the shipyard built on pallada? Is there some economic reason not to have just built it on Montem or Vallis? [19-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: The devs started the universe that way [19-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Oh the universe started with that built? [19-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yes [19-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Interesting [19-Nov-21 02:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: The cost to build a shipyard is stupid high. I think it's unlikely we'll see any built for a long time [19-Nov-21 02:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: You can use the existing shipyards without needing to build a base there, so it doesn't really matter where they're located in a system. For STL-only ships, it does matter which system you're in, since they can never jump to any other [19-Nov-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nicster**: What is an estimate a ship comparable to the two starting ships would cost to build? [19-Nov-21 02:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: 4 starter ships [19-Nov-21 02:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: pardon? [19-Nov-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nicster**: In currency :) [19-Nov-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: no one can say because no one can build them [19-Nov-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: the most basic STL only ships go for 500k+ [19-Nov-21 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nicster**: So there is no possibility to build ftl ships at the moment? [19-Nov-21 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I believe you need scientists to get to the parts to build FTL ships [19-Nov-21 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: There is a push to get them on Proxion, but its still slow. I think they are expecting their first in the coming weeks? [19-Nov-21 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nicster**: Yes i also read something like that [19-Nov-21 04:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Marquiz** joined.* [19-Nov-21 04:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Sentinel374** joined.* [19-Nov-21 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***SpaceBase88** joined.* [19-Nov-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **HarmonyStrips**: Hooold on, who try to make FTL ships [19-Nov-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***greald** joined.* [19-Nov-21 07:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***greald** left.* [19-Nov-21 08:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Zeigfried_Cobb** joined.* [19-Nov-21 09:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: FOWL on Proxion. First SCI this tuesday [19-Nov-21 09:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: quick, every1, use HQ slots to expand past 500/500 land [19-Nov-21 09:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: actually don't do that ;) It's already going to be difficult for FOWL to keep the stats up for growth [19-Nov-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: damn, now i really do have to settle another agri world so i can start repurposing proxion [19-Nov-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: pyrgos! [19-Nov-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: probably nemesis tbh, it's closer [19-Nov-21 09:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: harmonia! [19-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I mean, you could always try to force it to work on EW [19-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: nah, i'll just leave carbon and cotton on prox and that should leave me enough space to do some fun techie stuff [19-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: then do all rat/dw all the time on nemesis [19-Nov-21 09:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: lol fine [19-Nov-21 09:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: will be nice to stop buying 1200 h2o/wk though [20-Nov-21 12:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: What is a hydration timeout? [20-Nov-21 12:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Basically the game shit the bed [20-Nov-21 12:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: lol... but yea the server having hard time or smth along those lines [20-Nov-21 12:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: if your population doesn't receive DW or RAT, do they die or does only their satisfaction drop? [20-Nov-21 12:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: As I understand it their production drops proportional to what you did suppply [20-Nov-21 01:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: their production drops massively, my first run through I ran out productivity was at 1% [20-Nov-21 01:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but does it go back up the moment you resupply them with RATs and DW? [20-Nov-21 01:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: yes [20-Nov-21 06:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: Hey i buy BSE on CX, how can I move goods from station to ship? [20-Nov-21 06:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Marquiz** left.* [20-Nov-21 06:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Marquiz** joined.* [20-Nov-21 06:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: do you have a ship already at the cx? [20-Nov-21 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: yes [20-Nov-21 06:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: if you bought the good b4 ur ship arrived, there would be a pick up contract for your order you can view via the contracts buffer (CONT on the left if you're not using mobile) [20-Nov-21 06:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: click on it and fulfill to have the goods go to your ship/warehouse inventory [20-Nov-21 06:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: Ok I fulfiled contract [20-Nov-21 06:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: is your order now in your ship cargo? [20-Nov-21 06:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: pickup condtiion 0/10 [20-Nov-21 06:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: ahh there is [20-Nov-21 06:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: in cargo [20-Nov-21 06:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: ok thanks [20-Nov-21 06:53 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: How to use commands? I write command in box and cant show it [20-Nov-21 06:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: ahh enter work [20-Nov-21 06:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: s [20-Nov-21 08:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: you need to enter them in a command box, not a chat box [20-Nov-21 08:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: click new buffer (bottom right) or the cog icon on any other buffer [20-Nov-21 09:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TsungShin** joined.* [20-Nov-21 10:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***GaryXean** joined.* [20-Nov-21 11:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **ColdSnap24**: hey how do i attach a buffer to the screen [20-Nov-21 12:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Pick an existing tile, click | or - to split it, then drag the buffer titlebar to it [20-Nov-21 12:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ColdSnap24**: thanks [20-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***CH4RGE** joined.* [20-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CH4RGE**: what do i do right when i start [20-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: the best thing is to follow the tutorial first [20-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: ^ [20-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **CH4RGE**: which tutorial [20-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can type HELP in any buffer [20-Nov-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: should be help in the top right too. or you can just use TRA in a new buffer to get them [20-Nov-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: the handbook is very useful btw [20-Nov-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: they're youtube vids, a little hokey and a little dated, but they'll give you the basics pretty well [20-Nov-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the only thing about the vids is they mention on-planet CX, but those don't exist anymore. all CX are separate space stations. so the part where it says you can pick a planet with a cx on it, that's no longer relevant [20-Nov-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: on planet cx seems kinda interesting [20-Nov-21 01:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: too op for bases on that planet [20-Nov-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: imagine having 0 transport cost to cx [20-Nov-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and 0 time [20-Nov-21 01:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: definitely, but still interesting concept [20-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I was told that last runthrough it was on a planet [20-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: and yes, it seems very OP [20-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: especially with a MM.. [20-Nov-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Uranium-235** joined.* [20-Nov-21 02:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: Just about everyone had or wanted bases on the CX planets. To the point that the number of plots was doubled at one point. [20-Nov-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do you have to go through moria or antares areas to get from hortus to benten? [20-Nov-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like there's no diagonal path between the stations right? [20-Nov-21 02:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: You have to go around, ish. The flight calculator will find you the best route [20-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: shortest seems to be via moria region (not the system tho) [20-Nov-21 02:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: antares - moria goes through benten region [20-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: that's so annoying [20-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: wish it wasn't like a ring [20-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: then the systems in the middle would have the advantage of having each cx not far away id say [20-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or don't put systems in the middle [20-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but allow you to travel diagonally [20-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: most people start in the middle near one of the CXs anyways [20-Nov-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ye, mb you should be able to fly directly from system to system without predetermined paths [20-Nov-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah [20-Nov-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: doesn't seem like space travel when you have to follow a specific path [20-Nov-21 03:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: would be shorter on any flight [20-Nov-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: if you want to add elements of risk or damage to ships for certain shortcuts fine [20-Nov-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but this is so limiting [20-Nov-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: in space flight you are able to depart in any direction from a system, so idk why there are paths [20-Nov-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: mb there could be meteor fields where you will take more damage [20-Nov-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah that's what i was thinking [20-Nov-21 03:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: so you have to reroute via another system, so fe fly from system a, cnange direction in system be to system c [20-Nov-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: if i dont have the workforce for all my buildings does only the building that cant fill its workforce have a penelty on production or all my buildings? [20-Nov-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: your workforce gets evenly distributed onto all buildings [20-Nov-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: all all take a hit in eff [20-Nov-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Nocknuck**: ah thats makes sense thx [20-Nov-21 03:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: np [20-Nov-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: do players build COGCs> [20-Nov-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: they can [20-Nov-21 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but everything gets built by players [20-Nov-21 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can go to a planet and build one yourself if you mean that (you might need pro tho) [20-Nov-21 04:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Yeah for planetary projects you need pro [20-Nov-21 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***manieek** joined.* [20-Nov-21 06:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Zeigfried_Cobb** left.* [20-Nov-21 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Zeigfried_Cobb** joined.* [20-Nov-21 07:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Spoingo** joined.* [20-Nov-21 10:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Weatherman120** joined.* [20-Nov-21 10:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Weatherman120** left.* [21-Nov-21 01:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***LegenDAirie** joined.* [21-Nov-21 01:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: man how do fuel refiners make a living [21-Nov-21 01:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: they have to settle multiple planets to get all of the materials they need to make fuel [21-Nov-21 01:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: ... or just buy them off the CX [21-Nov-21 01:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: well what's the point of going fuel refiner if you have to buy essentially everything off the CX [21-Nov-21 01:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: consumables and prefabs [21-Nov-21 01:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and even ingredients for the fuel [21-Nov-21 01:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: that goes for literally every "profession" in this game [21-Nov-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: well victuallers make their own consumables [21-Nov-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: ok [21-Nov-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: constructors and manufacturers make their own prefabs or stuff [21-Nov-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but fuel refiners don't even make their own fuel since they need to buy ingredients [21-Nov-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: they do make their own fuel [21-Nov-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: they just buy the ingredients [21-Nov-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: once they buy ingredients for it [21-Nov-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: same as contructors [21-Nov-21 01:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: same as manufacturers [21-Nov-21 01:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: seems like fuel refiners have to buy a ton more ingredients [21-Nov-21 01:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to grow [21-Nov-21 01:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: Ill just make this quick as I dont want to be bogged down for 10 minutes in this chat: The answer to "whats the point" is "make money", thats it [21-Nov-21 01:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah well fuel doesn't seem that profitable [21-Nov-21 01:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: then dont do it [21-Nov-21 01:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: if theres too much competition already, either do something else or hope for it to be better in a while [21-Nov-21 01:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: fwiw i'm a long time fuel producer and i'll likely stick with it because i have a lot of infrastructure built around it. but it's not that profitable for me even then, and i'm starting to diversify around it [21-Nov-21 01:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: if my calculations are correct, making fuel is pretty decent [21-Nov-21 01:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: FF that is [21-Nov-21 01:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: at least with current FTL prices in CI1 [21-Nov-21 01:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: too much ff on the market and some stiff competition for it [21-Nov-21 01:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: its still 17CIS [21-Nov-21 01:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and about 7k on the board is my stuff, and i keep moving it to low ask and having someone else drop thousands more right in front of me [21-Nov-21 01:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: even for 16 CIS its 3k a day making FTL [21-Nov-21 01:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: or are my calculations just way off [21-Nov-21 01:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: (3k per ref that is) [21-Nov-21 01:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i only run 2 ref of it and my product is starting to back up because it doesn't sell [21-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: yeah makes sense, probably not the best idea calculating with 16 CIS for FTL [21-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: seeing the price chart rn [21-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: lol [21-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: 1.5k/day/ref, oh well [21-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: at least you can make money :D [21-Nov-21 01:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: even if not a lot [21-Nov-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: don't get me wrong, i turn a profit selling it to mm. a very thin one, but a profit. the problem is i now have like 18k of it unsold, and i'm far from the biggest producer [21-Nov-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: that doesnt make any sense now [21-Nov-21 01:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: if you sell to MM anyway, there are plenty people buying for more than MM [21-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: probably 18k across all for CXs [21-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: four* [21-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i don't sell to mm if i can avoid it [21-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but if i race to sell to bids [21-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the price will be close to mm again soon enough [21-Nov-21 01:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: so your issue is not having 18k, your issue is youre not willing to sell for the price people are willing to pay :) [21-Nov-21 01:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: you mis-understand the issue [21-Nov-21 01:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: maybe I do [21-Nov-21 01:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: whats the issue? [21-Nov-21 01:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i could clear the bids down to mm with just the inventory i already have on the board [21-Nov-21 01:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: he produces more than the demand, he has 18k backed up, mostly in one CX i would imagine, meaning if he sells the stock most will be MM [21-Nov-21 01:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: just not worth it when i could be doing something else with my efforts [21-Nov-21 01:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: and trying to undercut the sale price with that amount will simply crash the price hard [21-Nov-21 01:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: well, yeah, if people dont want to pay 17 youll have to sell at least, for sure, but at a daily volume of like 5k/day at one CX [21-Nov-21 01:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: in fact, i'd give up on FF way before SF just because i have less invested in it [21-Nov-21 01:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I doubt itll crash to MM [21-Nov-21 01:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: (if you sell on more CXs ofc) [21-Nov-21 01:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: there is only 4k of orders above MM in CIS [21-Nov-21 01:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: even at the current 17/u my margin is worse for FF than SF, and with the inventory available the price is going down from 17, probably soon [21-Nov-21 01:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: and there's a significant cost of moving it from one CX to another [21-Nov-21 01:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and it sells slower on ANT and HOR than it does on BEN and MOR even [21-Nov-21 01:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: you could just move it to another CX directly, 10k a ship from planet-->CX [21-Nov-21 01:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: yeah, I dont know about ANt and HOR, you might be right there [21-Nov-21 01:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: in the end I dont mind either way since Im only buying the fuel :D [21-Nov-21 01:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: you say 10k, but there is not 10k of orders on a single CX [21-Nov-21 01:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: 5k of volume in benten tho [21-Nov-21 01:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: daily [21-Nov-21 01:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: not saying you alone will sell 5k [21-Nov-21 01:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: anyway, you're not wrong, i could just sell it all down to MM, but at that price i'd have a better margin just selling the raw materials [21-Nov-21 01:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: but its not like youll sit on it forever [21-Nov-21 01:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: there's 25k on the board right now, and it's a slow day. sometimes efan shows up with 17k just by himself [21-Nov-21 01:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: anyway, that's my take on it. i also have really decent margins on fuel, rates that someone just starting out wouldn't be able to get close to [21-Nov-21 01:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and i'm finding that even so, i'm looking at other industries with better profit [21-Nov-21 01:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: yes, everytime I look at fuel production, it does not compare to almost anything else [21-Nov-21 01:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: sure, fuel isnt the best, 1.5k daily per ref isnt the best [21-Nov-21 01:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: but at least no ones going bankrupt :D [21-Nov-21 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nirces**: is there a list of all MMs in the system somewhere? 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[21-Nov-21 09:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: (like we have planet and system names, is there a name for the higher level container) [21-Nov-21 10:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: 'the universe'? i don't think even the galaxy has a name, let alone the whole universe [21-Nov-21 10:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: gotcha just curious for some role play :) [21-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: if you build new buildings and habitats, should you be waiting for when the new day cycle begins? [21-Nov-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: because it collects DW/RATs/OVE whenever you add more people right? [21-Nov-21 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Your consumption event tick changes whenever you add new production buildings I believe. You won't lose out on any consumables if you don't wait until your current tick though [21-Nov-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: sorry, what does your last sentence mean? [21-Nov-21 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: let's say i built buildings 8 hours ago and want to add something now, how many consumables get used up? [21-Nov-21 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is it like 1/3 of the previous cost plus 2/3 of the new cost? [21-Nov-21 11:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or is the full day's worth of consumables taken 8 hours ago and a new day [21-Nov-21 11:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: s worth will be taken now since i'm building new buildings? [21-Nov-21 11:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: It would just take an extra 8 hours worth of consumables I believe [21-Nov-21 11:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ah ok [21-Nov-21 11:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so it'd only take 8 hours worth of consumables at the previous rate and the daily counter changes to the time the last building was built [21-Nov-21 11:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Correct [21-Nov-21 11:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: thanks [21-Nov-21 11:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: makes it a little tricky since we can't see decimal points for our consumables [21-Nov-21 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: Yeah it can get a little tricky sometimes [22-Nov-21 01:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***stinull58** joined.* [22-Nov-21 02:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nicster**: is one abel to be part of multiple corps and if yes what would be the benefit of this? [22-Nov-21 02:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: currently no, though there is plans to make it possible to join a secondary corp like entity that doesn't give any advantages (beyond coordinating things easier). Currrently, if part of a Corp, they can build a corp HQ, outside of faction space (ie, most starter planets) and any corp members on that planet get 10% production speed boost to all industries [22-Nov-21 03:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Nicster**: thanks! [22-Nov-21 03:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheSpoonEnterprise** joined.* [22-Nov-21 08:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***InfiniteChallenge** joined.* [22-Nov-21 08:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rhor** joined.* [22-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to run the HCP GRN MAI recipe for C, am i right in thinking you'd need a high FRM to INC ratio? [22-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: since the recipe takes less time to run than it takes to produce the ingredients? [22-Nov-21 08:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can just run the grn hcp or mai hcp recipe if you dont have enough frms, and make more incs [22-Nov-21 08:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: which is more cost and time efficient? [22-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to have more FRMs and less INCs or other way around? [22-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like a rough estimate tells me that someone would need 3 FRMs for 1 INC to use the HCP GRN MAI recipe [22-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: 2 constantly running HCPs [22-Nov-21 08:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and 1 alternating between GRN and MAI [22-Nov-21 09:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: I would probably play around with Rain's Master Base planner to figure out what the most optimized configuration would be: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LZLOTlF76M5MlSNZZ4Trft1qVUz3-wF8Z9l4761BWo0/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LZLOTlF76M5MlSNZZ4Trft1qVUz3-wF8Z9l4761BWo0/edit?usp=sharing Master Base Planner v2.0e x FIO Base Planner Planet,VH-331a,VERSION 2.0e,HELP / INFO - HOVER HERE,Habitation,INFO Fertility Bonus,12.00%,Count,Habitation,Area,Pioneer,Settler,Technician,Engineer,Scientist,Total Price Source,NC1-avg INFO RESOURCES,Planet,Resource,Type,Conc,u/day,0,CM,25,0 RIG,VH-331a,H2O,LIQUID,52%,36.40,HBB,1... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YyR83bcfZl5Upba78eV11P9MmN1uuUg-cs-PbsBJkz4/https/lh4.googleusercontent.com/RryVOjdiXc--q_ViJA2FMdX6Q4bnpbzcMBY81Ar20BTnDEt2p2LZNWuX50nCnZzr6xjgkMyvkhbKvw%3Dw1200-h630-p [22-Nov-21 09:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **AceXephon**: You just have to copy the spreadsheet to your drive then you can change all the fields [22-Nov-21 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: how do you see what rating you are? [22-Nov-21 10:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: nvm. got it. [22-Nov-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: how long does it take to get out of the pending state? [22-Nov-21 10:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: CO comp code, so CO SMC will get you the rating quickly in a new bfr [22-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: need you to say that in laymans terms [22-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/#how-do-i-improve-my-company-rating {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/ FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [22-Nov-21 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: your company has a company code, you can see a company (and the rating) with "CO |company code|", so CO SMC for you [22-Nov-21 10:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ah didnt see your third message lmao [22-Nov-21 10:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: gotcha, thank you. [22-Nov-21 10:34 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Is there a burn rate tool for production lines? [22-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://fio.fnar.net/burn - (Note the missing "rate" at the end) [22-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: That's the new WIP "burnrate" page. Not pretty looking yet. [22-Nov-21 10:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Ohh secret url :D [22-Nov-21 10:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: Many thanks for the work on that [22-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zurhydryh**: Ooh that's nice [22-Nov-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***AaronGearheart264** left.* [22-Nov-21 11:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheSpoonEnterprise**: What's that fio.fnar website? [22-Nov-21 11:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: https://fio.fnar.net/ [22-Nov-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TheSpoonEnterprise**: I mean how does it work, I need to log in , but there is no way too register? [22-Nov-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @TheSpoon: Main page has a "install extension" button at the bottom. [22-Nov-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: The extension page explains a tad bit more too. [22-Nov-21 11:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: Registration happens once you install the extension and refresh APEX. [22-Nov-21 12:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TheSpoonEnterprise**: Ah well, let me switch to chrome then [22-Nov-21 12:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: FYI: I'm going to bring down FIO for like 5 mins here in a sec. [22-Nov-21 12:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kazzanka** joined.* [22-Nov-21 12:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: New person question: I have a ship at Hortus Station, I'm home based in Moria and the ship doesnt have enough FTL fuel to make it back. However, Most of my current is in NCC, and at Hortus you can only seemingly buy in ICA. What are my options to get this ship fueled and back to base without the local currency? [22-Nov-21 12:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Are you a Pro account? You could use the FX to trade currency, likely at a loss to you [22-Nov-21 12:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: do you have a mostly-full tank of STL fuel? Could you sell enough of it to buy the FF you need (don't sell it all, or you'll also be stuck)? [22-Nov-21 12:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: the short answer is you need to sell something to the CX to get ICA to then buy FF at the station [22-Nov-21 12:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: You could also send your other ship on a rescue mission with enough fuel to get itself home and to get the other ship home, but that's a long trip. You might consider restarting instead, given how new your account is [22-Nov-21 12:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Use the FX currency exchange [22-Nov-21 12:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: that's only for Pro @Rwinner [22-Nov-21 12:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: aint that some crap [22-Nov-21 12:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Kazzanka - where is your home planet [22-Nov-21 12:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: as they are Neo Charter, probably Montem or Vallis [22-Nov-21 12:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: He can't post ads, but he can accept LM ads right/ [22-Nov-21 12:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: not without pro/basic [22-Nov-21 12:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: wow, they really are crippled here without buying at least 1 month [22-Nov-21 12:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: trial users cant use the LM, period [22-Nov-21 12:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/pro-license/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/pro-license/ PRO License :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [22-Nov-21 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Looks like they are on Montem [22-Nov-21 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: COLIQ it sounds like. I don't know how to help you [22-Nov-21 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I'd get you currency, but IDK how at this point [22-Nov-21 12:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: selling SF fuel to buy FF fuel is the best bet [22-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: but not all of it of course [22-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I will say - if you do COLIQ, start your ships at the CX nearest to your home planet. [22-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Fly the one ship with mats to your planet and then start it [22-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: I think the idea to sell STL fuel locallyto buy FTL is going ot get me out of this [22-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: gives you a chance to use your starting 10k before heading to planet [22-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: since this trip took hardly any STL at all [22-Nov-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Make sure you fly slow. Your FTL slider should be far left almost always [22-Nov-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: yeah I had sent this ship to a foreign exchange cxl in naivety VERY early on. once it returns I wont end up in this ridiculosu situation again [22-Nov-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: you wil need to move the fuel from your tank to the cargo hold before you can sell it [22-Nov-21 12:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: try only selling ~200 or so [22-Nov-21 12:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: If someone with ICA wants to buy Kazzanka's SF at max price, could help them get more FF out of it [22-Nov-21 12:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: @Kazzanka put up 200 SF at 13.99 and ill buy it [22-Nov-21 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: I already id the trades with... whatever standing orders were up, apologies. I am still getting used ot that aspect of it [22-Nov-21 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: youre good, as long as you got some fuel! [22-Nov-21 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: but, I think i should be out of trouble [22-Nov-21 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: also good to slide down the fuel sliders in general [22-Nov-21 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: almost to the bottom [22-Nov-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: yeah they default there I believe [22-Nov-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: unfortunately, they don't [22-Nov-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: oh they dont, they default much higher usually [22-Nov-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: mine defaulted to ALMOST the bottom [22-Nov-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Usually default to over 50% full. Just make sure to check whenever sending them out [22-Nov-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: then you may have barely had enough FF [22-Nov-21 12:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: from Moria to Hortus, at almost completely far left fuel id say it took 90% of the FTL tank [22-Nov-21 12:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: which, feels excessive, but I do only have brand new starter ships [22-Nov-21 12:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: it shouldnt....i do that trip often and its usually ~160 FF [22-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: your tank holds 300 FF [22-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: yup [22-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Kazzanka: Pro-tip: Always set FF to minimum. [22-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: You have to manually change the fuel usage to the left of the scoll bar [22-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: And SF should be a few ticks above minimum. [22-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: it'll default screw you over [22-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: well regardless, youre getting home! [22-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: will cargo weight effect fuel usage ? [22-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: negligible [22-Nov-21 12:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: but yes [22-Nov-21 12:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: a good way to play around with it is to open a buffer and type in "BLU" [22-Nov-21 12:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: hit create New, DONT CHANGE ANYTHING, and make that blueprint [22-Nov-21 12:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: gives you actual flight times based on whatever scenario you make - without the risk of actually taking off [22-Nov-21 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: as a trial player, that is the only blueprint you can make [22-Nov-21 12:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: but yes, it is a good way to get a hang of flying [22-Nov-21 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: OK, reactor usage slider [22-Nov-21 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: that is the FTL [22-Nov-21 12:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: or FF usage [22-Nov-21 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: OK and fuel is STL [22-Nov-21 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: SF [22-Nov-21 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: trhats why I thought ftl defaulted so much lower [22-Nov-21 12:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: but yes, SF is STL flight [22-Nov-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: STL - slow fuel. FTL - fast fuel [22-Nov-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: "STL" is actually Steel in this game, but yes. Slower than light, faster than light are the origins [22-Nov-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I'm going off the actual abreviations on the blueprint test page [22-Nov-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: ah, right [22-Nov-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: yes the fuel tanks use SF and FF, I was just reading below them [22-Nov-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: good habit to styart using the table of elements style abbreviations [22-Nov-21 12:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: ^^ :) [22-Nov-21 12:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Remember too you can always use MAT + the Ticker in a new buffer to look stuff up. BUI is for buildings. you can also click on the icons to go down the production bread chain [22-Nov-21 12:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: Alright, that ship has cargo, fuel, and is headed back in an economical manner. Thanks folks. [22-Nov-21 12:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: huzzah! [22-Nov-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: now come back in 36 hours when it arrives ;) [22-Nov-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: heh, I have a prefab plant to check up on in 3h blessedly [22-Nov-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: then yeah, watching the clock [22-Nov-21 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: also, pro tip, orbits between planets and the CX matter a LOT in SF fuel use [22-Nov-21 12:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: here in moria there is a very special alignment happening here in a few days [22-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: Vallis, Montem, and MOR CX will all align for probably 12 hours or so, making fuel costs the lowest they can be to between them [22-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: only happens about every 6 weeks [22-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I would also recommend "clicking" the Fuel Usage button about 10 times - 1x per second. Sometimes you'll see the flight time bounce up/down fairly significantly [22-Nov-21 12:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: if you find it bounce down then back up, click 1 at a time until the flight time bounces down again, and take off with that [22-Nov-21 12:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: that actually comes from different pathways being selected on the map as you click, so keep the system map open and you can see the different flight paths that result in different travel times [22-Nov-21 12:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: but it feels more random than anything else really [22-Nov-21 12:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: Yeah, they say planetary shifts, but random is my real guess [22-Nov-21 12:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: How worth it do you put the PRO license as? [22-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: 100% [22-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: almost absolutely required [22-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: If you enjoy the game [22-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: i played 5 months on trial, it was...okay... [22-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: this sort of game it fairly up my alley, but I'm way too new and dont actually get to experience much with my timers being so long and having accessto so few of them at this stage ot judge for myself [22-Nov-21 12:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: then i got pro and its 1000% better [22-Nov-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: pro becomes a lot more necessary if you want to trade with people directly, especially on local markets [22-Nov-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: For pro it opens up the community so much more for you. It allows you to take shipping contracts so when you need to go, you can make money for the free storage you have. Or even rent out your ships to a big player who will pay you to make the trip to X and back. [22-Nov-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: for corporation coordination its almost a necessity [22-Nov-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: shipping contracts sound appealing. logistics has its own sense of catharsis, lol [22-Nov-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Thats ignoring LM buying and selling too. PLUS if you do one month of Pro and let it drop (no reoccuring subs here), you go back down to basic instead allowing you to still pick up shipping contracts and stuff [22-Nov-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Basic essentially cant post ads, but can accept them [22-Nov-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: the first $7 is the hardest to spend, I spent 5 months saying "I dont neeed it" [22-Nov-21 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: probably grab a month [22-Nov-21 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: now like 80% of my trading is done on LMs [22-Nov-21 12:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: @kazzanka check your messages [22-Nov-21 01:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: and, where do I find those lovely things [22-Nov-21 01:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: COM on the left side. [22-Nov-21 01:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Reece_Boo** joined.* [22-Nov-21 01:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: how tf do i play this [22-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: with your mouse mostly [22-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: like [22-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: keyboard helps as well [22-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: buy / extract cheap inputs and convert to outputs that sell for profit [22-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: and im a construction corp [22-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: what do i do now? [22-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: What buildings do you have [22-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Reece_Boo: Do you have a base and production lines going? [22-Nov-21 01:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: i built my base [22-Nov-21 01:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: how do i start production? [22-Nov-21 01:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: from the base menu (BS, left side if you closed it), choose production, then New Order [22-Nov-21 01:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: You need to construct your starter buildings. Open up ship inventories and drag all items to the planet. Then click BS -> Construct. Follow HELP instructions [22-Nov-21 01:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/base-setup/ - Helpful {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/base-setup/ 2.2 Base Setup :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [22-Nov-21 01:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: i clicked BS but its just showing me planet info [22-Nov-21 01:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You need to click BS > View Base [22-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: i swear i think i need a doctorate in nuclear physics to play this [22-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Nah you dont. Just need to learn to navigate and it comes quick [22-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: you just need to read the tutorials pretty much, the only thing to understand is the interface [22-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: the production tab is greyed out [22-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: the rest is economics [22-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You havent built any buildings yet [22-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: i thought i already [22-Nov-21 01:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: istg, im a dummy [22-Nov-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Go to Construct to build the production buildings [22-Nov-21 01:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Read this first: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions/ Packages and factions :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [22-Nov-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: ima just play around and get used to the menus [22-Nov-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: thanks, this is one of the few gaming communities that isnt toxic to newbies [22-Nov-21 01:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You can add a new screen in the top left that is completely blank and just play around with adding new buffers and customizing [22-Nov-21 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: i literally just googled space government game and this was the first result [22-Nov-21 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: so now im here [22-Nov-21 01:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: damn, google doing work [22-Nov-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I spent hours until I found this gem [22-Nov-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: thats honestly impressive [22-Nov-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I think a youtube ad caught me [22-Nov-21 01:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: i think >75% of the playerbase came from youtube [22-Nov-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: that were not already here last universe [22-Nov-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: unlucky I got youtube premium I guess, lol [22-Nov-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: last universe? [22-Nov-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: It was like a in video sponsorship [22-Nov-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: there was a reset about 9 months ago [22-Nov-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: aah, that kind of ad [22-Nov-21 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: yeah, i think it was imkibitz on a satisfactory video that got me :P [22-Nov-21 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: so i have my base module [22-Nov-21 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: and i see i have resources in my transponders [22-Nov-21 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: What actually determined the reset? Was it just a game update that required it? [22-Nov-21 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: where are my people? [22-Nov-21 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: how do i build? [22-Nov-21 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: you need to build HABs with the construct button [22-Nov-21 01:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: lots of big enough updates over time pretty much [22-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: HB1 are for pioneers [22-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: HB2 are for settlers [22-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: when you build a HAB, they will come if the planet has workforce available [22-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: but it wont let me bc all my stuff is in my transponders [22-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You mean your ships? [22-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: in the ships [22-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: ye [22-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Open the ships cargo and drag it into your base inventory [22-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: @Reece: Open ship cargo. Open Inventory Cargo. Drag and drop. [22-Nov-21 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: thx [22-Nov-21 01:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: hab is built [22-Nov-21 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions/#constructor {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions/ Packages and factions :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [22-Nov-21 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: if you do the default constructor start, you'll need two HB1s, a PP1, and a BMP [22-Nov-21 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: alright [22-Nov-21 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: i got the habs, the BMP and the PP1 [22-Nov-21 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you learn better by reading, you can go through the written tutorials here: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/ Tutorials :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [22-Nov-21 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you prefer videos, click HELP (top right) and choose video transmissions [22-Nov-21 01:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Reece_Boo**: alr [22-Nov-21 01:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: How do I actually put fuel in my ship? I have in my ships cargo but not in the tank [22-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: open cargo, open ship fuel tanks, drag and drop [22-Nov-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: thank ya sir [22-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: Hey, how to give pioneers POW to eat? [22-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: They will auto eat if its in your base inventory [22-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: PWO, ok there is [22-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You can also hide consumables from your workforce in a warehouse or ship if you dont want them to use it for whatever reason [22-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: its wear not meals :) [22-Nov-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: ok so if is in cargo they should use it, ok thx [22-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: yall think its worth trying to make your own fuel as a space trucker? [22-Nov-21 02:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: lmao [22-Nov-21 02:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: it may be if you find reliable sources [22-Nov-21 02:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: was hoping to completely verticalize the business with how bad the prices are [22-Nov-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: having "no" running costs would be nice [22-Nov-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: seems like a good plan [22-Nov-21 02:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: except for opportunity costs ofc [22-Nov-21 02:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but youll have to consider if other products will make you more money [22-Nov-21 02:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: youll need a few expensive bases to completely cover resources for fuel [22-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: will I thought? [22-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: its just hydrogen and tectosilisite [22-Nov-21 02:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: for ftl [22-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: and a refinery [22-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: probably two refineries [22-Nov-21 02:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: one to make ts into he3 and then one to make the he3 and h into ff [22-Nov-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: i really only need to make what, 100 every two days if I run my ships conservatively [22-Nov-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Likely your planet doesnt have both of those and if you have TS, you need H. If you want to draw H yourself, you probably want a Gas giant which means new building materials [22-Nov-21 02:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: a gasgiant base will easily cost you 100k just for the core module [22-Nov-21 02:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: so helium from gas giant, and whats its more needed? [22-Nov-21 02:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: But TS isnt efficient I think. Likely you would want more HE so thats an HE3 Base. So 2 bases. Then the REF needs settlers which would be harder to grow on the Gas Giant so you may refine it elsewhere? [22-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: you'll also still need to buy SF, which is more H, AMM, and then either GAL or the mats to make NAB [22-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: already on vallis pulling H [22-Nov-21 02:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: would just need to get TS [22-Nov-21 02:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: H on vallis is... loww [22-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: sure, but I dont need a lot [22-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: not planning on sellng the fuel [22-Nov-21 02:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: just enough to sustain my own ships [22-Nov-21 03:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: making FF in Moria is a rough time [22-Nov-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: what are the point of stations? [22-Nov-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: like, instead of having CXs on a planet? [22-Nov-21 03:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: mhm [22-Nov-21 03:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I think it was too strong of an advantage to people who were on the planet where they were located. Now everyone needs to do at least a little flying to use them [22-Nov-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: You'll notice most big planets are still really close to the CX [22-Nov-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: but could you imagine having MM's at a CX actually stationed on a planet? [22-Nov-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I don't know if I'd ever have to interact with anyone [22-Nov-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: That was how it was in the previous iteration of the universe [22-Nov-21 03:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Citronnade**: what was the fuel demand like that universe? [22-Nov-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: That IDK, but I've been told shipping prices were hella higher than they arenow [22-Nov-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I wasn't there, but as I understand it, there was no shipbuilding at all until maybe the last few months of the previous run, but the universe ran for more than 2 years. So the long-time players were desperate for more shipping capacity and would have to bid large amounts to get newer players to take their shipments. [22-Nov-21 04:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Marquiz**: I saw some "abandon" ship in Solar systems, devs should make salvage operation possible ;) [22-Nov-21 04:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Labyrinth_Conestllations**: The income statement, are income periods a week? [22-Nov-21 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yes, Sunday night at GMT I think as the rollover point [22-Nov-21 04:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: midnight* [22-Nov-21 05:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **PiBoy314**: Monday midnight I believe? As in the time between Sunday and Monday [22-Nov-21 06:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **InfiniteChallenge**: hi all. new player here. I didn't have a warehouse nor any ship at a station while my buy orders were filled, does that mean the goods I bought were recycled by the station? [22-Nov-21 06:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: no, if your buy orders were filled and you didnt have any storage there the items are just held in a contract. Get a ship there or rent a warehouse and you should be able to fulfill them and recieve your goods [22-Nov-21 06:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **InfiniteChallenge**: I checked after my ship reached there, the contracts are "filled" but I don't see the goods in my ship's cargohold [22-Nov-21 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: so the contracts are still in your "pending contracts" on the sidebar? [22-Nov-21 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **InfiniteChallenge**: yes [22-Nov-21 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **InfiniteChallenge**: oh got it, thank you [22-Nov-21 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: :) np [22-Nov-21 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **InfiniteChallenge**: :) [22-Nov-21 06:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: happy trading [22-Nov-21 06:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **InfiniteChallenge**: you too! :) [22-Nov-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***InsulinKing** joined.* [22-Nov-21 07:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **InsulinKing**: where you dropping boys [22-Nov-21 09:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***bitrunnr** left.* [22-Nov-21 09:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***bitrunnr** joined.* [22-Nov-21 10:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***HiHi123** joined.* [23-Nov-21 02:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Dices** joined.* [23-Nov-21 04:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***drexy** joined.* [23-Nov-21 04:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***TheHanyou** joined.* [23-Nov-21 04:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Anastasia** joined.* [23-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is it normal that when you build a second production building of the same type [23-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: they share the same queue? [23-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea [23-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: dang [23-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: not what i expected [23-Nov-21 10:56 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so i lose queue slots [23-Nov-21 10:57 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea if you want a larger queue you have to upgrade your HQ [23-Nov-21 10:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: shouldnt really impact you though unless you get through your queue super quick [23-Nov-21 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i guess [23-Nov-21 11:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i just feel like it makes queues more tricky [23-Nov-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: if i'm producing different things [23-Nov-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like it feels a little harder to match timing [23-Nov-21 11:02 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and make sure i don't have wasted time [23-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and it also makes me rethink ever getting 3 of a particular type of building [23-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: because then i only have 1 extra queue slot per building [23-Nov-21 11:03 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea it's prob annoying with some, but you should have a rough idea of "I need X lots of job A and Y lots of job B for Z lots of job C" [23-Nov-21 11:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea def as a non-pro it would be a little more finnicky [23-Nov-21 11:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: recurring orders are nice tho [23-Nov-21 01:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***OyVader** joined.* [23-Nov-21 02:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Abishai1776** joined.* [23-Nov-21 03:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***GarnerSan** joined.* [23-Nov-21 03:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Mecublackeye** joined.* [23-Nov-21 04:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Coolboycon** joined.* [23-Nov-21 04:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Coolboycon** left.* [23-Nov-21 05:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***FrostSTeeL** joined.* [23-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***carverebain** joined.* [23-Nov-21 09:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Charlie.TK** joined.* [23-Nov-21 10:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***KetRosteen** joined.* [23-Nov-21 10:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Stonke** joined.* [23-Nov-21 11:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***OTGBebe** joined.* [23-Nov-21 11:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Xeorns** joined.* [24-Nov-21 12:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what are unit prefabs for? for planetary projects and upkeep? [24-Nov-21 12:35 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: some are also for advance ship components [24-Nov-21 12:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: put yes, a lot of them are for planetry projects and upkeep [24-Nov-21 12:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: if you open the building info (BLI UPF) and click each product, you can see what ones are used in planetary projects etc as it will show how to make and what it's wrought products (things it's used in) and well as what buildings it's used as a building materials for. and what it is used in upkeep of. It will only show the categories that it has, if it doesn't have said category, it will just skip it and show the next one instead [24-Nov-21 12:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: It's BUI not BLI btw [24-Nov-21 12:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: opps, sorry [24-Nov-21 12:50 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: was looking at blueprints to confirm that some of those items were in fact used in spaceships [24-Nov-21 12:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Totwe**: Mixed BLU with BUI? [24-Nov-21 12:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: yes... [24-Nov-21 06:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***novus** joined.* [24-Nov-21 06:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **novus**: Hi [24-Nov-21 06:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **novus**: How I can disable my offer to buy goods on the market? [24-Nov-21 06:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DiggingLake** joined.* [24-Nov-21 06:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DiggingLake**: LMOS or CXOS, depending on which market. [24-Nov-21 06:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DiggingLake**: (You should be able to delete them from there.) [24-Nov-21 06:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DiggingLake** left.* [24-Nov-21 07:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OyVader**: Trying to sell, and the "storage location" menu I'm supposed to select isn't responding. [24-Nov-21 07:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: @OyVader trying to sell on a CX? is your ship at the station or do you have a warehouse with goods at the station that you want to sell [24-Nov-21 08:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OyVader**: At a CX on the same planet as me. Do I still need to send my ship there? [24-Nov-21 08:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DiggingLake** joined.* [24-Nov-21 08:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **DiggingLake**: The CX isn't actually at the planet: its at a space station in the system. [24-Nov-21 08:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***DiggingLake** left.* [24-Nov-21 08:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OyVader**: Gotcha. Just figured out how to get there. Thanks. :-) [24-Nov-21 08:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **novus**: @OvyVader could you write how you did it? [24-Nov-21 08:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bitrunnr**: @novus I recommend going through the tutorials https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/ Tutorials :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [24-Nov-21 08:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **OyVader**: Sure. In the Fleet window, I selected the ship that had the cargo I wanted, and clicked the "fly" button, then followed the directions to specify a destination, then sent it. [24-Nov-21 08:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **novus**: Thanks :) [24-Nov-21 08:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Dont forget when flying, you probably want to be flying slow. Reactor Usage (FF use) should almost always be minimum and Fuel Usage (SF use) should be low, but at a reasonable duration depending on the distance [24-Nov-21 09:00 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You can also test flights by opening the BLU command and clicking Create new > Test. Dont change anything, its supposedly the starter ship [24-Nov-21 12:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: On RIGs, does anyone know the efficiency at 60 and 90 days? [24-Nov-21 12:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: The formula appears to be roughly this: (2/3) / (1 + e^(0.07(Days - 100))) + 1/3 [24-Nov-21 12:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Saganaki**: 60d = ~96.18%. 90d = ~77.88% [24-Nov-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: so should we be repairing structures at 90 days? [24-Nov-21 12:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or is it better to demolish then rebuild? [24-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: i always repair at 89 days [24-Nov-21 12:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: dunno someone told me that was best [24-Nov-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Roughly speaking, all prefabs will break and you will get nothing back after 180d. So, for a building that takes 4 of each prefab to build, you could repair it at 45, 90, 135, or 180d and get the "most" out of your prefabs. You probably don't want to actually wait to 135 or 180d, though, since the efficiency of the building falls off very harshly for those. [24-Nov-21 12:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: For a building that takes 3 of each prefab, ideally you'd repair at 60, 120, or 180d. Again, probably 120 and 180 aren't great options because of efficiency, so 60 is your best choice. [24-Nov-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: For buildings that take a mix, like INC - 4 BSE, 3 BBH, 2 BDE, 1 BTA, you can't really repair at an "ideal" day to not waste at least a few partial prefabs. You'll have to decide which ones are cheaper to replace and weight that against efficiency loss. [24-Nov-21 12:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: thanks [24-Nov-21 12:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***OyVader** left.* [24-Nov-21 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: wait would the bta in the inc disappear after 0d or after 180d [24-Nov-21 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **InsulinKing**: 84A4B640-0AF7-41BC-9DC9-DD90B3E42CF3 [24-Nov-21 12:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: uh [24-Nov-21 01:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i think you meant that for the ufo verification chat? [24-Nov-21 01:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Antcouss** joined.* [24-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Antcouss** left.* [24-Nov-21 01:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Antcouss** joined.* [24-Nov-21 01:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: oops, started a discussion and walked away. thanks guys [24-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: @Denormos. The BTA will break as soon as any wear happens at all. [24-Nov-21 01:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: That actually becomes important on planets that need single-unit materials for the extreme conditions. For instance, HSE, MGC, BL, and TSH. [24-Nov-21 01:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: For all these materials, any repair at all will require replacing the entire HSE, MGC, BL, or TSH. [24-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: So, in those cases, it might make more sense cost-wise to push repairs as late as possible and not worry so much about getting the most out of prefabs. [24-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **shadowsneak**: gotta love those brittle BTAs [24-Nov-21 02:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***kkamikaze** joined.* [24-Nov-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Antigravo** joined.* [24-Nov-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TrustN00ne** joined.* [24-Nov-21 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: Hi, totally new here, watched a few vids [24-Nov-21 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Welcome! [24-Nov-21 03:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: first point, I had seen in a video that even though a planet was full, there were ghost plots available [24-Nov-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Those might be referring to the area reserved for planetary infrastructure? [24-Nov-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Is your chosen planet full? [24-Nov-21 03:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: so I picked Promitor [24-Nov-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: which was full, but it appears theres no ghost locations [24-Nov-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Ah yeah, Promitor is packed. [24-Nov-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: yeah im not suprised! I fancied Carbon and its the best started I could see [24-Nov-21 03:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: You could fly to Avalon in the same system, and set up food processors, or incinerators, and buy your plants, I think [24-Nov-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Avalon has a 25% COGC bonus to food industries. Doesn't cover incinerators, though [24-Nov-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: Am I now totaly done for? My freighters are in system [24-Nov-21 03:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: No, you have options, and even if you do get stuck, you can totally reset with COLIQ [24-Nov-21 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Hortus CX (IC1) is selling MAI and HCP at ~90, and carbon is 230, so you can turn 4*90 into 4*230 [24-Nov-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: i did a quick liquidate and moved to KOTA [24-Nov-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: Kotoa [24-Nov-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Ah, that works too [24-Nov-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: Thanks for the welcome btw [24-Nov-21 03:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: np [24-Nov-21 04:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: So ive set all my company up, im producing in my farms and incinerator [24-Nov-21 04:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: At this point, ive basically got to wat till the morning [24-Nov-21 04:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: Is kinda the way it works? [24-Nov-21 04:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: Come back when its done and do a bit more etc [24-Nov-21 04:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: Im at a point where I dont feel I can do much else [24-Nov-21 04:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: other than waste money [24-Nov-21 04:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: If I wait for the production to complete im all se to trade [24-Nov-21 04:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: Im not on a pro account yet, so I cant just do contracts at the local market [24-Nov-21 04:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Yeah, mostly planning, dreaming, and waiting at this point. You could start bidding on your CX for the parts to build a new building or two with your starter cash, and send a ship to the CX to pick up those parts. [24-Nov-21 04:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Might as well make the most of that trip and pick up a few more days' worth of consumables for your workers and inputs for your buildings, if you don't make your own. [24-Nov-21 04:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TrustN00ne**: Thanks for the suggestions [24-Nov-21 09:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***jarzon** joined.* [24-Nov-21 09:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **jarzon**: so, i setup a rig to extract water but the production is halted, does this mean the queue is done or am i missing something? [24-Nov-21 10:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: You need money to pay them and Basic Rations to eat and Drinking Water. Somewhere to live is nice too. [24-Nov-21 10:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RayKowalchuk**: Or the queue is done, as you say, if there are no more colored work orders (up to five) for your RIG. [24-Nov-21 10:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***BobaTea** joined.* [24-Nov-21 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TwinGs** deleted this message.* [24-Nov-21 11:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***TwinGs** deleted this message.* [24-Nov-21 11:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is it possible to refuel your ship from the cargo? [25-Nov-21 12:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: If its not flying [25-Nov-21 12:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: I think? [25-Nov-21 12:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: thought you just drag and dropped from cargo window to fuel window [25-Nov-21 12:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: ok [25-Nov-21 12:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: For shipping contracts, when I'm looking at a local market, are all of these people offering shipping services, or are these all people seeking shipping? it's ver unclear to a new player [25-Nov-21 12:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: everything just vaugely says "SHIPPING" [25-Nov-21 12:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: shipping means this is people looking for someone to ship their goods [25-Nov-21 12:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: size and volume is how much the package is, so you can plan multiple contracts in 1 trip, or bring some of your own goods as well, and time is how long you have from when you pick up the package (not necessarily when you accept the contract, but usually not long after) [25-Nov-21 12:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: and price is how much they will pay [25-Nov-21 12:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: most of the time, to make a shipping run worth it, you want at least 1/5 of a cargo hold worth of goods, otherwise fuel will be more expensive than the contract, also consider if you will have another trip on the way back, 1 ok deal one way becomes a bad deal if you can't get cargo going back afterwards [25-Nov-21 12:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: excellent, thank you [25-Nov-21 12:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: some more useful info, time is set for each stage, eg, a 3 day contract means 3 days for the person asking for shipping to provide the goods to be shipped, 3 from when he provides them for you to pick up (he can set auto provision so it's provided instantly), then 3 days from when you pick it up to when you need to have it at it's destination [25-Nov-21 12:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: also good to know, so it could take up to 9 days if each party lags in that scenario ? [25-Nov-21 12:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: yes, it's a common complanit amoung people that need stuff shipped fast that it isn't possible to fine tune the time more [25-Nov-21 12:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: I just took a couple contracts out of montem that had auto-ulfill on I guess, so that was nice [25-Nov-21 12:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Kazzanka**: managed to get the ship underway real quick [25-Nov-21 12:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: for a 3 day contract... the longest it can lag for the shipment is 6 days [25-Nov-21 12:40 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: most people will put auto fulfil on, unless they forgot... [25-Nov-21 12:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: o ye true [25-Nov-21 12:41 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: auto provision is the norm [25-Nov-21 12:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: 9 days if the person providing the contract doesn't provision until last moment [25-Nov-21 12:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: but yes, auto provision is the standard, sometimes there are exceptions and reasons not to, but they are rare [25-Nov-21 12:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: whats the chance of a person not auto provisioning though? i have done easily over 100 shipping contracts and all were auto provisioned [25-Nov-21 12:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: damn my internet lagged so my message sent after urs [25-Nov-21 12:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: a shipping contract can also be extended by the party with the most fulfilled stages, though don't count on it [25-Nov-21 12:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I've had a couple, some people forget they have the contract up and ship the goods with their own ship then I pick up the contract, other times the guy put the order up on auto knowing a production run to finish it was due in a couple of hours [25-Nov-21 12:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: ah...ic [25-Nov-21 12:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i normally take up contacts that have already been up for a while... so my experience might differ because of that [25-Nov-21 12:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: but as you said, these cases are few and far between, oh, and occasionally someone just forgets to tick the auto provision box... [25-Nov-21 01:49 AM] ApexChat#8127 **HiHi123**: I am a beginner, may I ask how to play this game? [25-Nov-21 01:52 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can find a lot of useful information here: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/ Prosperous Universe handbook :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [25-Nov-21 01:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **HiHi123**: Thank a lot [25-Nov-21 01:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: I would also recommend the video tutorials, they are slightly out of date (exchanges no longer on planets) but still teach all the basics. Here is a link to the first 1 with the playlist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJp8RnBxVc&list=PLuUeOoGTo1-Rk8dljdrEValbSx1gPeXvz&ab_channel=ProsperousUniverse {Embed} Prosperous Universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJp8RnBxVc Tips for New Players - Prosperous Universe Tutorial #0 This transmission gives new players some ideas on how to start their spacefaring adventure and might spur new strategies and goals for savvy entrepreneurs. 0:00 Introduction 0:55 Sell on the Market 1:26 Shipping Contracts 1:56 Join a Corporation 2:42 Free vs. PRO License Written version: https://prosperousuniverse.com/about/ This video is par... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FcE3z2H86p6lLCKqu_eLfnP79JqBk5csQCgLdUahaKo/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/tAJp8RnBxVc/maxresdefault.jpg [25-Nov-21 04:54 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can also see then with the 'TRA' command :P [25-Nov-21 06:42 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Woden**: There is also 'HINT' and 'HELP' [25-Nov-21 09:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Fraggromancer** joined.* [25-Nov-21 12:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Pibilius** joined.* [25-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pibilius**: what's the best way to learn this game? [25-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: start by reading the last 6 posts in this chat [25-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: play for a week and make all the mistakes... then restart :P [25-Nov-21 12:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: What should I do after I get a handle on the BMP and the prefab plant? [25-Nov-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: Should I try to start a new base? Or try to go for upgraded production plants? [25-Nov-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: focus on filling the area in an existing base before building a new one [25-Nov-21 12:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it tends to turn your investment into profit at a better ratio [25-Nov-21 12:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***templar627** deleted this message.* [25-Nov-21 12:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **templar627**: So I should just focus on building more pioneer plants to do more of what I'm doing? [25-Nov-21 12:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Or at least stick to manufacturing and construction. A PP2, for example, might work well [25-Nov-21 01:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***kalamona** joined.* [25-Nov-21 01:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: okay, so if I am new to the game and made some horrible mistakes, can I restart? :) [25-Nov-21 01:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: COLIQ [25-Nov-21 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Make sure you've decided what went wrong and what you're going to do, first [25-Nov-21 01:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: Thank you! [25-Nov-21 01:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea plan out at least your first couple of building investments and fine some staple goods to produce to get a steady income [25-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: maybe I was doing wrong, but building an incinerator was a waste I think, the stuff I have to incinerate worth more than the carbon it produces. Am i doing it wrong? The tutorial told me to build one. [25-Nov-21 01:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: oh wait i was blind, it is actually worth it, sorry. [25-Nov-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Carbon is a lower-margin good. Remember that there are 5 different carbon recipes and they can vary widely in profitability. [25-Nov-21 01:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: 6, actually. I can't count [25-Nov-21 01:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: and its just heavy. freaking heavy [25-Nov-21 01:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: nah sorry I just realized the game pretty much prepared me for the carbon + hydrogen = poly-ethylene production, but I dod something totally different, hauling materials from far away and creating other stuff. Anyways, it isn't as hopeless as I thought. [25-Nov-21 01:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Ok, good. Don't fear COLIQ'ing if need be, though. [25-Nov-21 01:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: <-- says a person who COLIQ'd twice in the first few days of playing [25-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i coliq'ed 3 or 4 times within my first week lol [25-Nov-21 01:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: takes a bit of time to get a general idea of the game [25-Nov-21 02:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: or you could do like me and stubbornly refuse to coliq even after finding out your start was weak -- unless you've _really_ gone wrong, you can overcome pretty much anything. just makes for a slower start [25-Nov-21 02:26 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but as others have said, a coliq in your first couple weeks is common, and can get you set for success -- can make up for the first try's time in a matter of a couple weeks or less [25-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: absolutely, everyone makes a dumb mistake or two first time round [25-Nov-21 02:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: i coliq once after building the wrong stuff cos i wasnt following the tutorial :p... but yea 3 weeks in did a mistake by making one of my ships stranded with low SF for like 2 days while the other was sent out for the rescue and meh was a learning experience [25-Nov-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: almost did that myself this week xD [25-Nov-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: thankfully have enough in the tank to get to the CX for a refuel [25-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: yeah, the first time i started i was stuck on 1 EXT and SME for over a week [25-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: next few times i kept changing my build [25-Nov-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***RothbardianInc** joined.* [25-Nov-21 02:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***RothbardianInc** left.* [25-Nov-21 03:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Taggerung** joined.* [25-Nov-21 03:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Taggerung** left.* [25-Nov-21 03:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: If I build more of the same building, does it speed up production of that type? [25-Nov-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Cyatica**: only in that you are doing more batches of the same [25-Nov-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Cyatica**: otherwise no [25-Nov-21 03:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: thanks! [25-Nov-21 04:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: if you want to speed up production of a particular type of building, that's done through experts, the planet's CoGC and your HQ bonus, as well as consumbles (though consumables affect all workers productivity of that class) [25-Nov-21 04:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Crave** joined.* [25-Nov-21 05:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Jetran** joined.* [25-Nov-21 05:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Gospar** joined.* [25-Nov-21 07:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***InfiniteChallenge** left.* [25-Nov-21 07:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***ekscrypto** joined.* [25-Nov-21 08:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: So... I want to produce COF which requires CAF, that's supposed to be an agricultural product but I do not see it as an option in my farmstead nor my Food Processor. Which building is required for that? [25-Nov-21 08:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: ahh.. need a HYF [25-Nov-21 08:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Yeah, you can look up all recipes using the item with MAT CAF [25-Nov-21 09:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Spoingo**: hey all, just started as manufacturer. is there anything specific i should be buying with my starter cash? [25-Nov-21 09:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Well, everyone needs DW, RAT, OVE, and PWO for their pioneer workers [25-Nov-21 09:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Then there's whatever you want to make in your BMP, which will have it's own inputs. You could make OVE if you can get C, H, and RCO cheaply. [25-Nov-21 09:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Spoingo**: thank you sir [25-Nov-21 10:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***GalacticChestnut** joined.* [25-Nov-21 10:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***RothbardianInc** joined.* [25-Nov-21 10:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: I can't start production on my Extractor. What should I do? [25-Nov-21 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **meatloafmafia**: do you have a hab? [25-Nov-21 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: hab? a building or something [25-Nov-21 11:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **meatloafmafia**: DW, RATS, OVE also are required for your workers [25-Nov-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Where can I can those DW, RATS and OVE? [25-Nov-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Kasbing** joined.* [25-Nov-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: from market or? [25-Nov-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: you start off with some [25-Nov-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and can buy at the nearest CXL [25-Nov-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **meatloafmafia**: HB1 is a building type [25-Nov-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **meatloafmafia**: habitat for pioneers, the basic workforce [25-Nov-21 11:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: is there a max productivity for workers if you don't give them luxuries? [25-Nov-21 11:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: I think I don't have Habitat [25-Nov-21 11:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: you should be able to afford 2 habitats with your starting resources [25-Nov-21 11:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: too many missing materials [25-Nov-21 11:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: you can demolish what you've built to salvage materials [25-Nov-21 11:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: since it seems you just started [25-Nov-21 11:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: okay so I should demolish my extractor [25-Nov-21 11:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what profession did you pick? [25-Nov-21 11:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: let me try it first [25-Nov-21 11:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Reactor currently in use, so I can't demolish my extractor [25-Nov-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: you can cancel your queue [25-Nov-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or just COLIQ and restart [25-Nov-21 11:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but depending on your profession [25-Nov-21 11:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it should cover the cost of 2 HB1, 1 EXT and something else [25-Nov-21 11:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: depending on what you started with [25-Nov-21 11:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: What category are "Basic Overalls" and "Padded Work Overall" in? [25-Nov-21 11:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: basic overalls are in consumables (basic) [25-Nov-21 11:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: padded work overall are in consumables (luxury) [25-Nov-21 11:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Thank you! [25-Nov-21 11:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I have a Carbon farm going, I just came to the station to buy some consumables. Can I buy parts to set up another production line? [25-Nov-21 11:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: you can buy anything you want [25-Nov-21 11:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: I need to build HB1, Missing 1 BBH, 2 BDE and 1 BTA. Should I buy all of them from exchange? [25-Nov-21 11:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: if you can afford it it might be worth it to set up another production line [25-Nov-21 11:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but it's hard to diversify too much [25-Nov-21 11:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: at least in the beginning [25-Nov-21 11:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: too many different ingredients required [25-Nov-21 11:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to keep everything running [25-Nov-21 11:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: @roth i bought extra stuff when i first started [25-Nov-21 11:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: because i didn't go with the recommended build for my profession [25-Nov-21 11:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: if you go with the recommended build you 100% have everything you need unless you sold something by accident [25-Nov-21 11:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: are you a metallurgist? [25-Nov-21 11:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: or a manufacturer? [25-Nov-21 11:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I am a Carbon Farmer [25-Nov-21 11:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I already set that up as my first base [25-Nov-21 11:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: no i'm talking to roth [25-Nov-21 11:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: because he's saying he;s missing materials [25-Nov-21 11:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: @TwinGs I'm a manufacturer [25-Nov-21 11:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: didn't sold anything but still I can't build HB1 anyway [25-Nov-21 11:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: what were your initial buildings? [25-Nov-21 11:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: they give enough for 2 HB1, 1 COL, 1 INC, and 1 BMP [25-Nov-21 11:38 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: I only have Core Module at the moment [25-Nov-21 11:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: i recommend just do coliq [25-Nov-21 11:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and restart [25-Nov-21 11:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: coliq [25-Nov-21 11:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: did you empty the mats out of your ship? [25-Nov-21 11:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: yes I did [25-Nov-21 11:39 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: and you checked both ships? [25-Nov-21 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: yes both ships transferred into the inventory [25-Nov-21 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you're still missing mats after that, you can either bug the devs to see if they have a fix, or just COLIQ as twings says [25-Nov-21 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the latter probably being much faster [25-Nov-21 11:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: what exactly is COLIQ? [25-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: COmpany LIQuidate [25-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it's just resetting [25-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: start over from company creation [25-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: What if I didn't do that? [25-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: no, you can do that [25-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Can't I buy from the market of this missing materials [25-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to restart from scratch [25-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: it'll save you money [25-Nov-21 11:41 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: from buying stuff that could be spent on other items [25-Nov-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: of course you can buy it [25-Nov-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: to make up for what you need [25-Nov-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but it takes time to send the ship there and back [25-Nov-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if you're legitimately missing starting materials, definitely coliq [25-Nov-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: otherwise you're giving yourself a huge disadvantage for no reason [25-Nov-21 11:42 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: got it [25-Nov-21 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it _does_ glitch sometimes, i've definitely heard from others who didn't get all their starting materials [25-Nov-21 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: now i should find the liq button [25-Nov-21 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: coliq will fix it [25-Nov-21 11:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: open a new buffer, type COLIQ [25-Nov-21 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Thank you done/ [25-Nov-21 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: sweet, you should have all your starter stuff now [25-Nov-21 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: again I choice manufacturer as a start [25-Nov-21 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: what planet? [25-Nov-21 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: What could be the realistic start [25-Nov-21 11:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Avalon [25-Nov-21 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: I guess first HB1 [25-Nov-21 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Is it possible to get a loan in this game? [25-Nov-21 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yeah HB1 and BMP are kind of mandatory to start [25-Nov-21 11:46 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: for a manufacturer [25-Nov-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: @LegenDAire not officially [25-Nov-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but corporations often will offer incentives / sponsorship for joining [25-Nov-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: to manage it, however, generally requires at least a BASIC account, which means paying for PRO for at least a month [25-Nov-21 11:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: You can do up to 20 day contracts on local markets which could facilitate a loan but there is no bank. Still player to player trust [25-Nov-21 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: ^ LM trade requires PRO or at least BASIC [25-Nov-21 11:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Interesting [25-Nov-21 11:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I just need the ingredients to build a Incinerator and I"ll have two production lines! I already bought enough for 2 farms and 2 pioneer habitats [25-Nov-21 11:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i've heard of corporations offering completely off-the-books loans in the form of selling dirt cheap supplies to a new member on the LM with an agreement that they'll be paid off in trade with whatever the new recruit makes for some predetermined period of time or amount of currency [25-Nov-21 11:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: @derelict. What could be the logical next step after I build HB1 and BMP? [25-Nov-21 11:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DLR**: double it [25-Nov-21 11:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: take a look under HELP->Building Recommendations, but take it with a grain of salt [25-Nov-21 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it may suggest buildings that make no sense for Avalon [25-Nov-21 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: also you can open COM in a new buffer and find the Avalon Global Site Owners chat [25-Nov-21 11:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Thanks for that tip [25-Nov-21 11:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: that's your planet chat, and the people there might have some good ideas about how to be a successful manufacturer on Avalon [25-Nov-21 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: one final question can I produce something on BMP and sell it on exchange? [25-Nov-21 11:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: that's the idea, yeah :) [25-Nov-21 11:55 PM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Thank you [25-Nov-21 11:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you will need to load your products in a ship and fly to the exchange to sell them -- the exchange is a space station in hortus system and your goods must be physically present to sell them there [25-Nov-21 11:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: while you're waiting for your bmp to produce stuff, it might be worthwhile to send a ship to the station to spend your starting cash on more materials to expand your operation. some folks sell excess fuel or other starting supplies they're not using to speed the process up further [25-Nov-21 11:58 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: when you fly, fly slow, near minimum fuel. everything in the game takes a long time, and ship flights are no different. slow flights cost significantly less fuel, and this savings is not trivial. [26-Nov-21 12:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: I bought stuff from Exchange. Now question is how can I start flying with my cargo ships [26-Nov-21 12:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: I think I found it [26-Nov-21 12:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Flight started, it takes 10 h 34m [26-Nov-21 12:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: wow so cool and realistic [26-Nov-21 12:10 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: this is definitely a game that rewards heavy planning and tactical decision making for your transactions and logistics -- the kind of game where you plan your next moves for days and the reward is when all the pieces fall into place to allow you to take your next big step, usually by expanding your operations [26-Nov-21 12:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Can FTL fuel used on Space Station Travel? [26-Nov-21 12:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: actual gameplay time is usually only a few minutes here and there, once or a few times a day, to manage production queues and market bids and ship flights -- but you can spend hours looking over recipes and market listings and making plans [26-Nov-21 12:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: ftl is for flight between systems, stl is for flights within systems [26-Nov-21 12:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Yeah careful planning and strategy is required for long-term success [26-Nov-21 12:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so if your cx is in the same system as your planet, only stl fuel is required [26-Nov-21 12:14 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: got it [26-Nov-21 12:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Austral is the only currency in all trading, right? [26-Nov-21 12:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if the in-system flight is very long, e.g. from an outer planet to an inner planet, it can occasionally actually save fuel and time to ftl jump out of system, cancel the flight, and ftl jump back in. but it requires more babysitting and unless its a really long flight usually not worth it [26-Nov-21 12:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: there are 4 primary currencies, one for each faction [26-Nov-21 12:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but until you start travelling to other CX, you'll probably just use the one for your system [26-Nov-21 12:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: nice [26-Nov-21 12:17 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: you can see the currencies by opening your sidebar (SDBR in the left menu) or by opening a buffer with FINLA (FINancial Liquid Assets) [26-Nov-21 12:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: It is so cool that no bots, only humans do the economy stuff. [26-Nov-21 12:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Player-driven economy [26-Nov-21 12:18 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: for some items there are Market Makers (NPC sells/buys with infinite inventory) but yeah, for the most part it's all player-driven [26-Nov-21 12:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: MM is also same in real life [26-Nov-21 12:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: In Nasdaq for example big banks using bots to make the market [26-Nov-21 12:19 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: otherwise it would be a very tough job [26-Nov-21 12:21 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Order books on PU also looks so promising, everything seems identical to financial markets of our current world [26-Nov-21 12:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yes, that was definitely the idea. price charts are very similar as well [26-Nov-21 12:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Myself 20 years of quant experience on US markets, I can safely say PU is one of the best and promising simulation ever [26-Nov-21 12:22 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: I tried many simulations, but PU has a great idea to implement futuristic setup together with real financial stuff [26-Nov-21 12:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Are there derivatives markets on PU? [26-Nov-21 12:23 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: no, just the basic commodity market [26-Nov-21 12:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Derivatives markets would be a next logical step for improvement [26-Nov-21 12:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: gotta run, but glad to have you aboard :) [26-Nov-21 12:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: Thanks for all [26-Nov-21 12:24 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: np, yw [26-Nov-21 12:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **RothbardianInc**: I bought stuff from Exchange. Is there an inventory on that station so I can check it out my stuff? [26-Nov-21 12:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: How can I do transportation contracts? [26-Nov-21 12:33 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: @RothbardianInc -- if you don't have a ship or a warehouse at the station, the purchase will go in a contract (check CONTS in a new buffer or CONT in the left sidebar) awaiting your arrival at the station to fulfill it [26-Nov-21 12:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: @LegenDAirie -- this is through the Local Market, which requires your company to have a rating. to get a rating, you need a PRO subscription at least once, but you will keep your rating if you end your subscription (subscriptions do not auto-renew) and go to BASIC. with PRO you can create offers or accept offers on the LM, with BASIC you can only accept them [26-Nov-21 12:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I see. What about transporting items for another player? Are there contracts like that? [26-Nov-21 12:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the only shipping contracts are done through LM [26-Nov-21 12:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: direct trade between players is not supported, partially as an anti-abuse measure [26-Nov-21 12:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: ok so to accept an offer I need a rating which requires a pro account? [26-Nov-21 12:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: correct. the reasons are twofold: 1) devs gotta eat. 2) the local market is based on player trust; it's possible to pirate goods or otherwise break contracts, so putting it behind a paywall helps keep lm trade a little healthier [26-Nov-21 12:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Makes sense [26-Nov-21 12:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Thanks! [26-Nov-21 12:39 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: np! 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[26-Nov-21 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: Same link I sent in the other chat you asked in: https://discord.gg/edWVn2Kn [26-Nov-21 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: ^ [26-Nov-21 01:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: follow the welcome instructions, then !join recruiting in #access-request [26-Nov-21 01:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: the ufo discord server is the best way to get into the community aspect of the game [26-Nov-21 01:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: in game chat is... limited [26-Nov-21 01:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: <-- says the guy who uses in-game chat almost exclusively [26-Nov-21 01:58 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***RothbardianInc** left.* [26-Nov-21 04:59 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Avras** joined.* [26-Nov-21 05:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Avras**: what resurces are on Deimos [26-Nov-21 05:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: ALO, O, H2O [26-Nov-21 05:01 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Avras**: thx [26-Nov-21 05:05 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Avras** left.* [26-Nov-21 05:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***CelticCyborg** joined.* [26-Nov-21 05:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: Can I get more experts to improve my production? do they need special things, like extra consumables? [26-Nov-21 05:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/ {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/ Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [26-Nov-21 05:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: ty [26-Nov-21 06:51 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Archon6006** joined.* [26-Nov-21 08:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: is there anyway to throw something away thatsi n your ship inventory? [26-Nov-21 08:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: i dont think so [26-Nov-21 08:06 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: at a planet picking up a contract and realized im off by like.. 8 tons [26-Nov-21 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: you can sell it on the lm for 1, someone will pick it up [26-Nov-21 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: not a LM here sadly [26-Nov-21 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: ah well... [26-Nov-21 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: a warehouse mb? [26-Nov-21 08:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Blake1216**: nope sadly [26-Nov-21 08:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: then youre stuck with it, as there is no 'trow away' option [26-Nov-21 08:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Domicius** joined.* [26-Nov-21 09:20 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Where can I check my company's rating? [26-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: you can click ur name and then ur company [26-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: or do CO followed by ur company code [26-Nov-21 09:25 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: easiest way is to open the sidebar and click on it there, couldnt find a link elsewhere [26-Nov-21 09:26 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: o ye that too... if you keep ur sidebar open [26-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Interesting, it says my rating in "Stability" is P and in "Reliability" is P. Is that good? I'm fairly new XD [26-Nov-21 09:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: P is pending, aka not enough data or something, you'll get it in a week I think [26-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: cool! [26-Nov-21 09:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: stability will most likely be a C, dont be worried about that :D [26-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I tried to accept a transport contract earlier and it didn't work because of my rating [26-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: reliability is the only one that's really important, it tanks when you fail contracts [26-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: good to know [26-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I failed 2 recently and have been down from A to B for quite a while, seems fairly strict :D [26-Nov-21 09:30 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I also accepted a small contract yesterday, but the contract says the status is closed. I didn't even get to pick up the item. yet the contract is still in my contract list. Know what's up with that? [26-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **IDKanything**: they havent provision the package [26-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: closed means nothing has happened, so the other party didnt provide the goods yet I suppose [26-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: they likely havent requisitioned the items for pickup yet [26-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: usually its automatic if they have a warehouse and selected it as such [26-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: ahhh so if they don't provide the item I can't pick it up? And if the contract expires I don't get in trouble? [26-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: you wont get in trouble if no one does anything on a contract [26-Nov-21 09:31 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: if it expires while its "closed", itll breach and nothing will happen [26-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: if you cant pick it up because you planned your route already its best you tell them not to provision it/pay you, so you wont tank the ratings drop [26-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: though best bet is to PM the other party for a rough ETA on when the goods will be available [26-Nov-21 09:32 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: so you can plan accoridngly [26-Nov-21 09:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Thanks! [26-Nov-21 10:07 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: do people buy ships or mainly just build them? [26-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: well, both [26-Nov-21 10:08 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: for someone to buy one, someone has to build one [26-Nov-21 10:09 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: although I think people just sell the parts for a complete ship and you have to build it yourself, not 100% sure on that though [26-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: ok cool, any idea how expensive that is? [26-Nov-21 10:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: last I heard ~550k [26-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: it'll be a while for you (and me) to even think about new ships :) [26-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: damn, ok then they game kinda gives you a lot at the beginning [26-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: also, these ships are only STL [26-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: so no cross-system moving, just in-system [26-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: for new ships? [26-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea the starter ships are amazing [26-Nov-21 10:12 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: ye, the ships you can buy for 550kl [26-Nov-21 10:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: better ones cant be built right now, people working on that though [26-Nov-21 10:13 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: so the 2 starter ships are pretty much high end unobtainable tech as of now [26-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: wow, so starter ships are FTL, and ship you can build are only STL? [26-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: as of now, yes [26-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***itsnick** joined.* [26-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: higher "tier" ships require higher "tier" tech, scientists [26-Nov-21 10:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: and apparently we havent reached that yet [26-Nov-21 10:27 AM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: uhm... doesn't this game already run for 270+ days? [26-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: yup [26-Nov-21 10:28 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I was surprised as well when I heard no one really had scientists [26-Nov-21 10:29 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: from the sounds of it they take a lot of investment to get on a planet [26-Nov-21 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: wait.... how long has this game been out? [26-Nov-21 10:44 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: few years I think [26-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: in case youre wondering about the 270 days, universes get reset on big updates that change the mechanics/economics in a big way (probably) [26-Nov-21 10:45 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: which isnt that often, I think Ive heard this one should last quite a while [26-Nov-21 10:55 AM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Interesting, thanks! 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I placed a buy order but apparently I was 50 CIS too low, I'd like to cancel and replace it with a higher amount [26-Nov-21 12:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: CXOS will show all your orders, you can delete from there [26-Nov-21 12:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***CosmeticFob501** joined.* [26-Nov-21 01:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: Thank you :) [26-Nov-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Canadiansugarangel**: Is there a way to preplan a flight plan- just trying to figure out something once my ship lands in 9hrs [26-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea, pop BLU into a buffer, dont change anything on a fresh blueprint and click test [26-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: gives a good ballpark [26-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Canadiansugarangel**: thank you [26-Nov-21 03:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I just bought some H2O at Antares Station(I'm not currently there). Then I posted a contract to get that water delivered to Deimos. How can I check to see if the water is ready to be picked up? The contract currently says "Closed" [26-Nov-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You can see all your Local Market ads by using the command LMOS in a new buffer [26-Nov-21 03:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: CXOS is for all your CX orders [26-Nov-21 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Thank you! I can see my ad posting. How can I see if the water is ready to be picked up? I am asking because yesterday I accepted a contract, but the person never had the goods at the pickup location so I couldn't fullfill it. I don't wanna do that to someone else so I wanna see if the water is ready to go =) [26-Nov-21 03:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: I dont think you can until you've accepted the contract [26-Nov-21 03:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: alternatively, PM the advertising party and ask [26-Nov-21 03:15 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Hmm, in this case I posted the contract to have water delivered to my base [26-Nov-21 03:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Yeah unfortunately you cant look at your own ads to make sure you set auto provision correctly [26-Nov-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You could cancel the ad and re-set up the ad to make sure it auto provisions from your warehouse, but you would lose the posting fee [26-Nov-21 03:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: ah you're ordering it to Deimos? I can take the order now for you, got a ship going backto Deimos tomorrow [26-Nov-21 03:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: oh sweet! that would be awesome [26-Nov-21 03:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Ok looks like my Provisioning of 32 units of Water says that it is pending. How can I get it ready for you to pick up? [26-Nov-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: press fulfill if you have the items at ANT station [26-Nov-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: onthe provision, not the cash [26-Nov-21 03:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: The Fulfill button is greyed out. I just bought the water I needed from someone else at Ant station before posting the ad [26-Nov-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Provision and Cash both greyed out [26-Nov-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: ah, do you have a warehouse at ANT station? [26-Nov-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: idk let me check [26-Nov-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: you need storage when you buy from the CX or the items are held in contract until you have storage there (your own ship or a warehouse) [26-Nov-21 03:21 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: oh interesting, you can rent one [26-Nov-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: let me rent a space and see what happens [26-Nov-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: 100AIC to rent, once you have it, check your pending contracts on SDBR and fulfil the ones from the CX [26-Nov-21 03:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: that should deposit the goods into your storage [26-Nov-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Boom done! Thanks for your help =) [26-Nov-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: awesome, np [26-Nov-21 03:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: sent you a pm with delivery estimates [26-Nov-21 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: my other 2 ships are currently doing other shipment runs [26-Nov-21 03:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***cookierun** joined.* [26-Nov-21 04:48 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: I noticed that my HWP stayed at 100% condition (and thus, no repair cost) for 7 days. On the 8th day it finally dropped to 99.9%. I've seen people say that you get an hour do demolish a building and get 100% of the materials back so is this an anomaly or is there more that goes into how fast a building breaks down? [26-Nov-21 04:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: There is some weirdness that some buildings get an extra 7d grace (and therefore the usual advice to repair at 90d is actually 97d for those if you notice) [26-Nov-21 04:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: So it would be beneficial to just demolish and rebuild the HWP every 6 days.. Seems almost like cheating. [26-Nov-21 04:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Is it random or is there a list of those buildings? [26-Nov-21 04:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i think it's random -- so you can try that tactic but with no guarantee that it will keep working [26-Nov-21 05:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Avras** joined.* [26-Nov-21 05:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Avras** left.* [26-Nov-21 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: I tried the demolish re-build thing for fun once. The problem I found is that the grace period is not consistent. It may have to do with server ticks more than absolute time intervals. [26-Nov-21 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **DanX**: In my case it was an EXT, not a HWP. [26-Nov-21 05:10 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I actually wonder if its also based off of usage/inactivity? [26-Nov-21 05:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I demo'ed two buildings recently that were built at the same time. One gave back more RSS than the other [26-Nov-21 05:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i doubt it, the game is pretty good about punishing you for bad planning and leaving buildings idle. all the cost none of the benefit [26-Nov-21 05:11 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: were they two identical buildings? [26-Nov-21 05:12 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: mat loss should be linear, so it should be a percentage of total mats according to a ~180d timeline rounded against you [26-Nov-21 05:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: but i've definitely heard folks having extended grace periods on buildings, up to a few days -- i hadn't heard of one going a full week before [26-Nov-21 05:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Seems like a software bug having to do with how they pull the day/time to start the clock on a building. Might not be accounting for daylight savings time properly. [26-Nov-21 05:40 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Ogrebeef-Backkicker**: Or more likely, it is a day of the week issue that gets thrown off by partial weeks on a calendar at the beginning and end of months. [26-Nov-21 05:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ogrebeef-Backkicker** deleted this message.* [26-Nov-21 05:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: I have 4 or 5 buildings all with an extra 7d grace period. I haven't found a pattern to it yet [26-Nov-21 05:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: i wouldn't be surprised if there is a calendar math reason though. calendar math sucks, and i think that building degredation is supposed to work on a 6mo timeline (~180d) [26-Nov-21 06:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: so depending on what the calculation is for that timeline (180d? 26w? 6mo?), i could see errors being introduced [26-Nov-21 06:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: is everything the tutorial shows you like the cimplete game [26-Nov-21 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pioneer-N3RD**: What"s the command for liquidation? [26-Nov-21 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: it is slightly out of date, exchanges are no longer on planets [26-Nov-21 06:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **bazdakka**: COLIQ [26-Nov-21 06:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***cookierun** left.* [26-Nov-21 06:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***cookierun** joined.* [26-Nov-21 06:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: hello ? [26-Nov-21 06:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: hello! [26-Nov-21 06:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Jefus** joined.* [26-Nov-21 06:52 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pibilius**: where can I find a completed order if my ship wasn't there and when the ship arrived I don't see it in the cargo? [26-Nov-21 06:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: CONT [26-Nov-21 06:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pibilius**: that was easy, thank you! [26-Nov-21 06:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: if i purchase something in a exchange but dont have a ship there i cant collect it till the ship arives? [26-Nov-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: correct. [26-Nov-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it'll go in a contract as mentioned above, which will have a 'fulfill' button which will only be enabled once you have a ship on site [26-Nov-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: got it [26-Nov-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: alternately you can rent a warehouse at the station and store stuff there for 100/wk [26-Nov-21 07:00 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: You could collect it earlier if you rent a warehouse [26-Nov-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: but you would still have to send a ship to collect from the warehouse [26-Nov-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: Either send a ship or setup a contract for someone to ship it to you [26-Nov-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: ahhh [26-Nov-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: ok [26-Nov-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: ok [26-Nov-21 07:01 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: most players have at least one warehouse at their primary cx, many players have more than one or ones scattered across other cx and/or planets. 100/wk is really cheap in the long run [26-Nov-21 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Stonebread** joined.* [26-Nov-21 07:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: it's also really useful for staging goods to be sold over time, or if you want to unlist/relist items at market while you're not there (with no warehouse, you can't even delete an active order) [26-Nov-21 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Stonebread** left.* [26-Nov-21 07:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Stonebread** joined.* [26-Nov-21 07:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: >> SELLING 100 Mineral Construction Granulate (MCG) @ 1,965.00 CIS for collection within 1 << is this 1965 for the lot or each? [26-Nov-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: lm is always for the lot [26-Nov-21 07:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: thank you :) [26-Nov-21 07:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: np. there's an extension that does the math for you and displays the unit cost. also displays arrival times for flights and finish times for production orders. i think it's called 'pmmg beautifier', can prob find with a search for 'prosperous universe beautifier' [26-Nov-21 07:22 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: also consider using the fio plugin, instructions at http://fio.fnar.net -- it helps crowdsource a community API of game data, and gives access to some tools for your personal game data built on said api [26-Nov-21 07:23 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: many thanks to @saganaki and @kovus and other community contributors for all their work building fio [26-Nov-21 07:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: further, check HELP->Handbook->Wiki->Community Resources for other great community tools [26-Nov-21 07:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: this game is small, but its playerbase loves it fanatically and it shows [26-Nov-21 07:28 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: if i own a warehouse and want to put the items that i purchases from the market do i have to still wait for my ship to arrive to that spot [26-Nov-21 07:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: or can i transfer the items to the warehouse [26-Nov-21 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: why does the commands keep saying illegal commands ? [26-Nov-21 07:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: just open CONT in the left sidebar and hit 'fulfill' on any contracts, that should put your stuff in your warehouse [26-Nov-21 07:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: thats the think there is nothing in my cont folder [26-Nov-21 08:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: Then you have nothing to pick up. Are you sure the order actually fulfilled? Check CXOS [26-Nov-21 08:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Hello! o/ [26-Nov-21 08:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I'm interested in joining a corp, how does that work? [26-Nov-21 08:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: what to do if an order is partially filled [26-Nov-21 08:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: do i need to buy more or will the market try to fufill my order [26-Nov-21 08:43 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: ? [26-Nov-21 08:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***sionate** joined.* [26-Nov-21 08:51 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: is there a way to reset your hud i clicked on something and its all changed lol [26-Nov-21 08:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: if it's entirely changed, you probably changed the SCRNS to the finance window [26-Nov-21 08:54 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: Just switch it back to the Base screen and you should be fine [26-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: yeps the tutorial videos reall helped [26-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: got it back i thin [26-Nov-21 08:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: think [26-Nov-21 09:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: Stupid question but "Required Rating: D", where can I see my rating? [26-Nov-21 09:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: CO AVO :) [26-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: when something says 12 day 18 hour is that real time? [26-Nov-21 09:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: yes [26-Nov-21 09:14 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: flying to the nearest plannet is 6 hours does that sound right? [26-Nov-21 09:16 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: Ok so you spend 1 hour settings things up then 6 hours waiting for them to happen or am i missing something? [26-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: as a newbie? [26-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: yes, sounds right [26-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: yeps as a newbie [26-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: this game has a massive learning curve [26-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: drop the recommended buildings, get the mini productions started, and head to the tutorial vids, discord, and help channel (here) [26-Nov-21 09:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: i am not fidnig the game to hard to work out its just the time i am seeing after i do each action [26-Nov-21 09:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: yeps been watching through the tutorial vids now [26-Nov-21 09:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: you'll learn that the interface layout they provide is "meh" [26-Nov-21 09:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: I would add a new SCRN and use that to screw around with [26-Nov-21 09:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: they don't have a reset button [26-Nov-21 09:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: yeps made my own screen so much easier now [26-Nov-21 09:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **sionate**: just threw me about the 6 hour wait between system jumps [26-Nov-21 09:24 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Rwinner16**: yeah, it sucks [26-Nov-21 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: anyway to tell what machines make [26-Nov-21 09:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: brefor purchasing them ? [26-Nov-21 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Boreal_Energon** joined.* [26-Nov-21 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Boreal_Energon**: Hey all [26-Nov-21 10:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Boreal_Energon**: Total noob here, confused as you know we are. [26-Nov-21 10:03 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: same here been playing for like 2-3 hours [26-Nov-21 10:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **cookierun**: just waiting for my ship arrive [26-Nov-21 10:13 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Very friendly community [26-Nov-21 10:17 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: at what point do we need to repair ships? [26-Nov-21 10:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: like it's saying i need to repair 1 BHP [26-Nov-21 10:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: but at what point is the ship unusable? [26-Nov-21 10:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: and does the ship condition ever affect travel time? [26-Nov-21 10:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Its just worse. I think people usually say around 80%? but im not sure for ships [26-Nov-21 10:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Repairing ships wont be a concern for a while [26-Nov-21 11:19 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @cookierun you can click on their icon, or "BUI BMP" [26-Nov-21 11:20 PM] ApexChat#8127 **lordcirth**: @twinGs ships begin to slow at 80%, I believe, so most people repair just above 80% [26-Nov-21 11:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **TwinGs**: thanks [26-Nov-21 11:53 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pibilius**: how can I sell something from my ship's cargo? [26-Nov-21 11:56 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: You probably need to ship it to an CX and sell it there. If you are pro or basic, you can also accept ads on your planets LM and skip the shipping bit [26-Nov-21 11:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pibilius**: I have a basic sub...CX = Commodity Market? [26-Nov-21 11:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pibilius**: *commodity exchange [26-Nov-21 11:57 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: Correct You can see all the CXs in the sidebar under CXL [26-Nov-21 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Pibilius**: got it, thanks zarik [26-Nov-21 11:59 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zarik**: np if you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask [27-Nov-21 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Avras** joined.* [27-Nov-21 12:04 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Avras** left.* [27-Nov-21 05:11 AM] ApexChat#8127 **kalamona**: Another super stupid question: what is the point of building a corp that is NOT self-suficcient? You can pretty much build up a product chain all by yourself from base elements. Why NOT do it that then? [27-Nov-21 05:15 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: a corp is not necessarily abt beeing self sufficient, its more abt helping each other out with stuff you dont make yourself for a bit of a discount [27-Nov-21 05:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **SecretIdetity**: but yes, a corp can be useful with self-sufficiency bc you can have one member make a base for h fe, and sell it to everyone in the corp so that noone else needs to make that base [27-Nov-21 07:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: outside of that there's not really a point besides being a tighter-knit group [27-Nov-21 07:16 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: sure, you might get things cheaper, but you're also expected to sell them cheaper afterwards, so that upside vanishes pretty quick :D [27-Nov-21 08:37 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***Wesly** joined.* [27-Nov-21 09:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 ***therave101** joined.* [27-Nov-21 09:36 AM] ApexChat#8127 **therave101**: Where do filled buy orders go? [27-Nov-21 09:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: if you have a warehouse, in your warehouse, if you dont and you have a ship there, in your ship, if you have neither a warehouse or a ship there, they end up as contracts [27-Nov-21 09:43 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: buffer conts [27-Nov-21 09:46 AM] ApexChat#8127 **therave101**: Thanks [27-Nov-21 09:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: I suggest getting a warehouse on your main CX, it costs 100/week which is basically nothing [27-Nov-21 09:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: and its very useful [27-Nov-21 09:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **Denormos**: yep [27-Nov-21 09:47 AM] ApexChat#8127 **therave101**: Did that after I noticed, was hoping it would just pop up [27-Nov-21 09:48 AM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: itll be automatic in the future :) [27-Nov-21 01:45 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Is there an easy way to refuel a ship, or do you just have to measure how much you need and buy it like everything else? [27-Nov-21 01:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: buy like every other commodity [27-Nov-21 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Goldo88** joined.* [27-Nov-21 01:49 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Goldo88** deleted this message.* [27-Nov-21 01:50 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Goldo88** left.* [27-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Just had to spend all my money on fuel because the Reactor was set to max on my last trip by mistake D= [27-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: rip [27-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: What happens if you go bankrupt? [27-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed [27-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: nothing really [27-Nov-21 02:29 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: you just cant do anything anymore [27-Nov-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **FireFreak**: except COLIQ [27-Nov-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Yes, it's unfortunate that the default slider is so wasteful on fuel [27-Nov-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: yea..esp FF [27-Nov-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: wasted so much FF in my first week [27-Nov-21 02:30 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If by bankrupt you mean "ran out of cash", you can load up some inventory and take it to the CX to sell it, But you'll be paralyzed until it arrives, unable to run production because you can't pay fees. [27-Nov-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: If you have neither cash nor inventory (or no fuel to ship inventory to be sold), then COLIQ (restart) is the only real option if you're Trial account. [27-Nov-21 02:31 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: dont forget you have a few k of secondary currencies, you can always use those to pay for more or FX trade them for your primary currency [27-Nov-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: Hmm I do have a bit of NCC [27-Nov-21 02:32 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: Oh, you got Pro. That allows you to potentially trade without sending a ship. Some folks on your planet might help you out of a bind if you explain in the planet chat. [27-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: ye, there'll always be someone willing to buy C on Deimos for example [27-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I don't think I'm bankrupt but I am trapped for cash! I accepted like 5 contracts, and sent both my ships to go pick up the goods but maxed out the reactor. luckily I will be able to fulfill them. but already spent the money I got from those contracts on fuel XD [27-Nov-21 02:33 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: ah nw, it's entirely normal to be strapped for cash [27-Nov-21 02:34 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: if you're not investing your cash early you're doing it wrong imo [27-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: admittedly the reactor usage isn't ideal but you'll probably live, if not there's always COLIQ for a quick restart (once you've finished your active contracts) [27-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Zizzleswomp**: yeah, if you're not trying to exploit market differences or do CX day-trading, you don't need to keep too much cash. You do need some for production fees, and if you don't trust yourself to keep enough consumables / stock / fuel on hand, then you might want to hold onto a bit more for emergency purchases [27-Nov-21 02:35 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: makes sense, I initially spent all my money to get a second Carbon production line up and running. But couldn't afford the incinerator lol. Now I'm doing shipping contracts at a lose lol [27-Nov-21 02:36 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: I'll try planet chat and see if anyone wants to buy C [27-Nov-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: i do [27-Nov-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **Namthorn**: xxD [27-Nov-21 02:37 PM] ApexChat#8127 **LegenDAirie**: oh yeah! I remember you said you wanted to buy C, I still have our chat open lol [27-Nov-21 03:25 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Lomineas_Grunt** joined.* [27-Nov-21 04:18 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***quorion** joined.* [27-Nov-21 05:47 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Ashburne** joined.* [27-Nov-21 07:44 PM] ApexChat#8127 ***Rubert** joined.* [27-Nov-21 08:02 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: I took on a contract and realized too late that it won't fit on my ship. Is there anyway to abort/cancel/revert it? I still have 1 day and 12 hours to deliver it but there's no way I can get the ships in time [27-Nov-21 08:04 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: contact the client directly and let them know what's up, they'll probably extend it for you. if no part of the contract has been completed, both parties can let it expire with no consequence [27-Nov-21 08:05 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: if any part has been fulfilled, you're on the hook for it until the client marks a breach of contract and you lose rating [27-Nov-21 08:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: (or if they extend it, you can complete as normal) [27-Nov-21 08:06 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: ok, reached out to the client already; hopefully they will understand [27-Nov-21 08:07 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: yeah usually it's no biggie. the sooner you can make good on the contract the better though -- likeliest outcome is they'll be willing to extend it for a day or two so you can fulfill [27-Nov-21 08:08 PM] ApexChat#8127 **derelict.**: a breach isn't a huge hit, especially if you're active with lm contracts, but a breach without you trying to make good on it anyway can get you a bad name [27-Nov-21 08:09 PM] ApexChat#8127 **ekscrypto**: Understood. Already have another ship on its way to pick it up, but it will be a while. Gotta travel from Antares to Benten, then back to Proxion for the pickup :( [27-Nov-21 08:27 PM] ApexChat#8127 **riman15**: